UK in/out referendum on the EU (Brexit vs Bremain)

Michael Stephen Fuchs is obviously very wealthy and in a privileged position, he can look at the fall- out secure that he wont be touched personally, his vote is as an outsider looking in at an interesting experiment at the zoo rather than down and dirty with the poor and ignorant bigots who read The Sun and go Polish immigrant bashing for fun.

{{{Europe responds! And so much for the spurious press comments that Scotland would not get a warm response either}}

That was actually an amazing response! Though I confess I don't quite understand quite what Scotland wants Europe to do in order to not "let Scotland down."

Oh, over in the Freedom thread I see Scotland is trying to remain in the EU ... is that even possible? If so, I can see it finally tearing Britain apart.

is that even possible?- Halfy

{{No one knows- its uncharted waters, to a certain extent the rules are being made up as things go along- but Sturgeon is determined to find out if it is possible. And not just for Scotland but NI and Gibraltar as well. But to have any hope of finding a way the EU will have to want us to be inside not out- hence not letting us down if we go out on a limb to stay.}}

{{{BBC check on the 3 big Leave Promises before and after the vote- }}}

The campaign claim: Immigration levels could be controlled if the UK left the EU. This would relieve pressure on public services.

The current claim: Immigration levels can't be radically reduced by leaving the EU. Fears about immigration did not influence the way people voted.


The campaign claim: We send £350m a week to Brussels, which could be spent on the NHS instead.

The current claim: The claim was a mistake, and we will not be able to spend that much extra on the NHS.


The campaign claim: Some on the Leave side suggested the UK does not need preferential access to the single market.

The current claim: The UK should get preferential access to the single market.

Didn't Scotland have the lowest proportional turnout of the four nations? And what about the 38% who voted to leave the E.U?

{{{Lowest yes, low no. It was higher than the General Election turn out. But it didn't surprise me, I predicted it beforehand for the reasons I gave then- it looked more like an internal Tory squabble and there was no appetite for it in Scotland- we never wanted the referendum in the first place, politically there is no signs of any real desire in Scotland to leave the EU- UKIP for example managed 1 elected official here. Even the Tories were more popular than them. And the referendum only came about because of internal Tory party issues in England and the rise of UKIP in England- it has never been our fight or our issues.

The 38% are also not an issue, politically speaking, the Scottish Government in a straight vote like this had to represent the majority will. And the 38% are spread out, every single Scottish constituency returned a remain vote, so whilst 38% voted out its a spread across the country, no one place has any solid support for leaving and there is no large single constituency for it. }}}

Farage in Brussels That was the most appalling thing I have heard in a long time. I thought things were bad but this just tipped the UK into the depths of idiocy. I have never been so embarrassed of a fellow countryman as listening to his jingoistic drivel.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/28/brexit-live-cameron-eu-leaders-brussels-corbyn-confidence

Corbyn still refuses to go after 172 MPs give a no confidence vote. the stubborn arrogance of the man is astounding.

{{{Says if they hold another leadership election he will just stand again- problem for the Labour Party is there no evidence he wouldn't win the popular vote again.

For those who missed Farages gracious acceptance speech at the UN-}}

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-hunt-running-conservative-party-leader-second-eu-referendum-brexit-vote-a7106836.html

Jeremy Hunt is talking about possible second referendum. lets hope its not just hot air.

Pettytyrant101 wrote:{{{Says if they hold another leadership election he will just stand again- problem for the Labour Party is there no evidence he wouldn't win the popular vote again.

For those who missed Farages gracious acceptance speech at the UN-}}

I cant listen to that again I may have to smash something.

{{{Dunno who country 123 is, on the right of the picture behind Farage, but he betrays the nonsense Farage is talking by nearly crying with laughter by the end of it- 5.42 onwards is where he loses it when Farage is threatening Europe! }}}

' the Bank of England injected funds worth £3.1bn into UK banks, following a special auction for six-month finance.
It was the first such operation since the referendum vote.
Bank governor Mark Carney said on Friday that the Bank stood ready to provide more than £250bn of additional funds through its normal facilities "as a backstop, and to support the functioning of markets". - BBC


{{{ Can anyone explain to me why, if the Bank of England can just magic up 258.1billion for the banks (AGAIN!) the country has suffered for years now of 'austerity' budgets because there is no money to pay for public services?
258.1 billion is many times the hole in the public finances. Where does this money come from? And why is it always necessary to give huge sums to the bankers when they get in trouble, yet never to the people when they are in trouble- and its probably our bloody money to start with }}}}

Its one of the biggest mysteries of all time, bigger than Roswell, bigger than the shooting of JFK, bigger than the Bermuda Triangle..........where does the Bank get its fooking money !! We are SO being shit on in this country. And I dont wanna hear how corrupt Italy was & is under Berlusconi, or China,Cuba or any other ying tong ting tong God forsaken hell hole when this country has a rich history of its own with corruption, It wrote the fooking book on it ! Farage was ballsy in what he said but he used the wrong words. He was over confident & way too cocky. My gawd, if there were the Klu Klux Klan in that auditorium he would have been Kentucky fried Chicken by now !!! The brunette lady behind him was obviously hoping hed die on the spot, He shocked all of those people with his cheap suit, stale aftershave bragging idiocy & his Council Estate narrow mindedness, I cant believe he represented the UK in that squirmfest of a speech ! Thankyou you mindless dickhead, it is now cermented in the minds of everyone there that we, the British, are the biggest carrot crunchers going !!

Pettytyrant101 wrote:'{{{ Can anyone explain to me why, if the Bank of England can just magic up 258.1billion for the banks (AGAIN!) the country has suffered for years now of 'austerity' budgets because there is no money to pay for public services?
258.1 billion is many times the hole in the public finances. Where does this money come from? And why is it always necessary to give huge sums to the bankers when they get in trouble, yet never to the people when they are in trouble- and its probably our bloody money to start with   }}}}

If you just gave that kind of money to the common people, you'd create a culture of mooching, where people behave irresponsibly, secure in the knowledge that the government will always bail them out. Completely the opposite of how our financial institutions behave, obviously.

I normally like Samantha Bee but I turned that off like a minute in. Farage has said enough stupid shit without trying to smear him with Boris Johnson's lies.

{{{Its a technicality if Farage is part of that campaign or not. There wa ss o much bad blood between Farage and I think all the Leave camps at one point or another its hard to pin down which one he was part of when- he certainly made no effort during the campaign to point out he was not associated with it and that it was not true.}}}

It's not a technicality at all. Accusing Farage of lying because of something that he never said is itself a lie. Saying he should have policed his own side and called out the other groups' mistakes is a different complaint.

It's pure laziness to go after Farage for this when there is so much bullshit that he actually did say. Unlike what Farage did, I'm not going to cut Sam Bee slack just because I often agree with her.

EDIT: not to mention that Boris, who was responsible for the bus, is the one people disappointed with this result should really be worried about since he's the one with a very real shot at becoming the next PM.

Trump really does have competition! That was perhaps the most insulting speech in such a context that I've ever heard.

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His unequivocal fury is really admirable.

http://satwcomic.com/brexit-to-the-right

Btw, I like your new Avatar Bluebottle