UK in/out referendum on the EU (Brexit vs Bremain)

malickfan wrote:I wonder if Corbyn will go as well?

I don't think that Corbyn will go willingly but in the event that there's a fresh election called after the Tory party conference I could see a backbench revolt with the aim of choosing a more electable leader.

Nigel Farage:

We've done it without a single bullet being fired

Except for the high profile murder of an MP recently, pr*ck.

One good thing comes of this, I might hit 3000 posts today!

There's always a silver lining!

I hope that we end up with a strong Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office after the dust settles.

I think the referendum solidifies the lesson from 2015 that a substantial portion of UKIP's support comes from former Labour voters, especially in the North of England. The Labour Party itself is tacking further away from that, which is something I agree with in the abstract, but the odds of Corbynites winning large numbers of seats outside of London look increasingly shaky.

The biggest question for me right now is Northern Ireland. Twelve hours ago I didn't think there was any real chance of NI's constitutional status being called into question. I'm still not sure about that, but depending on how the EU withdrawal negotiations go I could see it becoming more of an issue.

Never fear Britons. Boris is ready to swoop in and save the day.



EDIT: I can't stay up any longer; let me know if Sturgeon makes any rapid moves towards another Indyref in her speech later this morning.

EDIT 2: I imagine things are crazy at work for you Lance but I hope you all know that despite my making fun I really do hope that Britain is able to make the best of this bizarre situation.

Jesus!

I am ashamed to be British today.

Nicky Morgan for PM the UK is doomed.

I hope Sturgeon demands a new Scottish Indi referendum and I hope this means the break up of the UK. I also hope the half of the population who have any sense, move North to Scotland before England returns to pitchfork wielding little Britain. We deserve to be a 3rd world country after this betrayal. The shit has hit the fan.

I am putting in my application for Italian citizenship tomorrow. I cant remember ever feeling so disenfranchised from my own country, I don't recognise it.

IDS will make a great Robespierre.

Mrs Figg wrote:I am putting in my application for Italian citizenship tomorrow. I cant remember ever feeling so disenfranchised from my own country, I don't recognise it.

IDS will make a great Robespierre.

Don't blame you.

How long have you lived in Italy btw?

You are Mancunian aren't you?:

Manchester-121,823 (60.4%) voting to remain and 79,991 (39.6%) leave.

I live in (well, near) Fareham:

A total of 71,772 votes – a turnout of 79.6 per cent – were with 39,525 (55 per cent) voting to leave compared to 32,210 to remain (45 per cent).

Not surprised at the result, but pleased with the high turnout...

After this result I'm rather less doubtful that Trump will get in...

malickfan wrote:

Mrs Figg wrote:I am putting in my application for Italian citizenship tomorrow. I cant remember ever feeling so disenfranchised from my own country, I don't recognise it.

IDS will make a great Robespierre.

Don't blame you.

How long have you lived in Italy btw?

You are Mancunian aren't you?:

Manchester-121,823 (60.4%) voting to remain and 79,991 (39.6%) leave.

I live in (well, near) Fareham:

A total of 71,772 votes – a turnout of 79.6 per cent – were with 39,525 (55 per cent) voting to leave compared to 32,210 to remain (45 per cent).

Not surprised at the result, but pleased with the high turnout...

yes I am Mancunian, I have lived in Italy for about 20 years now. I suppose I should have got citizenship before now but it wasn't really necessary.

On the bright side this may actually push the E.U towards reform

Hearing rumours Corbyn has resigned.

Whoah. What a bit of news to wake up to!

Cameron resigned, but unfortunately the body count had already started before the vote.

Yeah, the comment about the election of Trump looking more likely hits home. Countries everywhere are going haywire with inward looking nationalism.

If Corbyn and Cameron resign then that's a good result at least. What worries me is the calibre of their replacements.

just the thought of Boris as PM.

{{Ok so Cameron is gone. A vote of no confidence has been tabled by some Labour MP's in Corbyn- though I don't think that will get anywhere long term.
Sturgeon in her response said -

'Scotland's first minister has said a second independence referendum is "highly likely" after the UK voted to leave the EU.
Nicola Sturgeon said it was "democratically unacceptable" that Scotland faced the prospect of being taken out of the EU against its will.
She said the Scottish government would begin preparing legislation to enable another independence vote.
Scotland voted in favour of the UK staying in the EU by 62% to 38%.
he SNP manifesto for May's Holyrood elections said the Scottish Parliament should have the right to hold another referendum if there was a "significant and material change" in the circumstances that prevailed at the time of the 2014 referendum, such as Scotland being taken out of the EU against its will.

At a news conference in Edinburgh, Ms Sturgeon said: "It is, therefore, a statement of the obvious that a second referendum must be on the table, and it is on the table," she said.
Asked if there were any other options available to the Scottish government, she replied: "I think an independence referendum is now highly likely but I also think it is important that we take time to consider all steps and have the discussions, not least to assess the response of the European Union to the vote that Scotland expressed yesterday."

She will play it canny and not rush this- she will want to be certain this time- but there are no signs she has lost any of the 45% that voted yes last time, and she only needs 6% of those who voted No to be pissed enough at this to change their minds for a win this time out.
And any vote would have to come before the UK leaves the EU- which will be in just over 2 years time.
But a 2nd Indy referendum is now looking very likely.

Cameron- you gone fucked it up!

Map of how the UK voted from BBC-



On a personal note I reckon I can kiss my job goodbye long term- half the staff, and we struggle as it is to get staff, are EU migrants and the business is owned and paid for, including my wages, by a Swiss based businessman and his business wife.

In fact I can see a minimum of 50% of Retirement Homes being unable to meet staffing levels once you tackle away EU workers- this in turn will cause those residents to have be housed in hospital beds, where they will not be able to get the full 24hour care and stimulation required, and where it will cause huge bedblocking issues for patients coming in for operations and treatments. Not to mention the cost- you are replacing 24hour care with 8 members of staff on just above minimum for a ward of nurseries and specialists on their much, much higher wages.

So in my own profession, and my own livelihood, I don't see how this can be anything other than disastrous.

Oh and as of, immediately, the small sum of money I do have in my sporran is also now worth considerably less.

Thanks a fucking lot England. }}}

Isn't it rather ironic that Scotland would vote to leave Britain in order to remain in the EU?  Are you folks joiners or splitters?

Hope your predictions on the elder care situation don't pan out, Petty!

{{We are instinctively joiners- we prefer working in collaboration than against. Problem with the UK is it wasn't, and isn't, though very slightly less though since the concession the ref got us, a collaboration. Its one sided in the extreme, and the one side has been slowly but surely drifting further right, and further into a nationalist isolationists position for a few decades now. This is the culmination of England's national identity crisis.
We haven't been leaving England, England has been leaving us.
This result just demonstrates how insurmountable that gulf has become. We cannot continue to be 'joiners' if England are determined to draw us into their isolationism. }}}

Half of English people don't want to leave either. This is the worst day in modern British history, and the terrible part is the fools of brexiters will wake up and realise very soon what they have done but its too late. what an appalling mess.

{{{Its only half of England because of London- take it out the picture and the rest of England overwhelmingly voted to leave. Seems in England the more cosmopolitan or heavy trade based cities voted to remain- but Englands towns and villages all voted strongly to leave.}}}

I was going to say that if we elect Trump at least we'll be rid of him in 4 years, but of course Britain can vote to rejoin the EU once people realize how economically rocky it can be outside.

(which leads me to ask Blue again: should Norway join the EU?)

{{There is irony which seems lost on Trump, to him standing giving a speech about how great a result this is, on a golf course in a country that voted overwhelmingly to stay in}}}

Pettytyrant101 wrote:{{There is irony which seems lost on Trump, to him standing giving a speech about how great a result this is, on a golf course in a country that voted overwhelmingly to stay in}}}

True, but then most of of them are. Whatever else anybody thinks of him, subtlety has never been one of his strong suits.

If Trump does win in November it will be on the same populist groundswell that let to this referendum. I think it's fair to say that many Trump supporters are excited by the possibilities of some kind of a break-up or devolution of the US federal government. We should be watching what's happening in the UK very closely right now. We're on the same path and we need to be learning from this.

I'll allow myself some Warren Zevon promotion again

It seems quite a big chunk of Europe isn't far behind us. Everyone seems to think they can go and do it on their own. I imagine there will be large pushes in places like France, Netherlands possibly Italy for this kind of vote too.

Because everything always works so well when we do it like that!!