Re: The Bigger, Badder, Even More Serious Thread [2]

[Pettytyrant101]

Update on the Hillsborough story from the BBC-

The Attorney General is applying to have the verdicts in the inquest into the 96 deaths at Hillsborough quashed.
He told the Commons: "I will apply to have every one of those 96 inquests quashed. I believe that these deaths, arising as they do from a common chain of events, should all be considered afresh."

The Attorney General's announcement follows confirmation by the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) and the Director of Public Prosecutions that the biggest ever independent investigation into police wrongdoing is to be carried out into the disaster.'

[Pettytyrant101]

A UK TV personality has just received (a derisory in my view) sentence for harrasing his girlfriend (140 hours community service)
She made a secret recording of how he was treating her in private- you can listen to it here -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19962465

I just wanted to say- particularly to our younger members- if you ever find yourself with such a person, if anyone in a so called releationship is treating you like this- get out- your love of them is not going to make a blind bit of difference they will just use it against you- go to a shelter or somewhere if you cant go to family- but get out- people like this don't change their spots.

Just popped in, saw this, thought I'd have a few words -- I'm off to work.

[Pettytyrant101]

Creativity is often part of a mental illness, with writers particularly susceptible, according to
a study of more than a million people.

Writers had a higher risk of anxiety and bipolar disorders, schizophrenia, unipolar depression, and substance abuse, the Swedish researchers at the Karolinska Institute found.

They were almost twice as likely as the general population to kill themselves- BBC


Bugger. (Takes a look at life so far) Double bugger!

[leelee]

I believe that to be probably true if the creative person has no understanding support of some kind, does not eat or sleep well or care for themselves well due to economics or illness. Also, because the creative person is often very sensitive ( our entire family is like this except for Clayton-Ashley who is a genius in poetry ancient Hebrew and Celtic studie and prose, yet is a very down to earth and sensible peron) to the feeling of others, the surroundings, nature, animals etc, they tend to take on more to help and get afraid more easily and if misunderstood tend to isolate themselves and thereby risk getting mentally ill. So, yes there is a price to pay when you are creative I think.But if it is part of you, if it burns like an everlasting fire then you must do what you must do.

[Pettytyrant101]

does not eat or sleep well or care for themselves- leelee

Well a casual glance over my posting times....oh dear. And as to eating well- I'm a Scotshobbit! I'll eat well if its fried and full of fat. If it doesnt set of a hospital heart monitor its not a real meal

then you must do what you must do- leelee

Aha so for me, be crabbit about everything then! I can do that.

[Orwell]

A UK TV personality has just received (a derisory in my view) sentence for harrasing his girlfriend (140 hours community service)
She made a secret recording of how he was treating her in private- you can listen to it here -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19962465

I just wanted to say- particularly to our younger members- if you ever find yourself with such a person, if anyone in a so called releationship is treating you like this- get out- your love of them is not going to make a blind bit of difference they will just use it against you- go to a shelter or somewhere if you cant go to family- but get out- people like this don't change their spots.

Just popped in, saw this, thought I'd have a few words -- I'm off to work.

Thanks Petty - me being young at heart and all!


I'm actually seconded at the moment into this area of policing. Sadly, rules around the world are different so it might be unwise to straight out say that if you are in a violent kind of relationship to go seek police assistance. But if your country has good laws against Family Violence, I'd seek advice, of police or welfare agencies. Speak up. Where I am at moment I arrest and charge people who breach Family Violence Intervention Orders (our name for 'em), help take the Orders out in the first place, and of course charge people who assault poeple. We also link up with Welfare Services for both men and women in these kinds of relationships. (Btw some men can learn to change their behaviour. Behaviour Workshops are just one strategy amidst a raft of strategies Government, Police and Welfare Organisations have here to help deal with the problem).

Just popped in, saw this, thought I'd have a few words -- I'm off to work.

[Pettytyrant101]

some men can learn to change their behaviour.- Orwell

Yes, but not that often if we are honest- and women who stay with abusive partners oftern cite a belief that they could help them change as a reason for staying. Its best to get the hell out I reckon, alert those who can help like groups you mention Orwell, and let somoene else, someone professional try to help them change.

[Orwell]

Every situation requires its own set of strategies. No situation is perfectly the same as another. And it's not at all as gloomy (overall) as it may seem, Petty. No, we can't win all the time, but it's amazing when agencies do their job well enough, how often intransigent situations can be markedly improved. And in the end truly violent/controlling recalcitrants usually end up in gaol; if we're lucky enough, before some poor soul is really seriously injured or murdered.

[Pettytyrant101]

Heres a question for debate- but first a small bit of background:

A couple of years ago in England a gay couple went on holiday- however when they got to the Bed and Breakfast they had booked they were refused their room- the owners of the Bed and Breakfast were Chrisitians and didnt want a gay couple sharing a room in their B&B.
The gay couple took it to the courts and won- with the courts saying that if you run a B&B you cannot discriminate against who stays there.
Now not so long ago in the UK, about 30-40 years ago it was not uncommon to see in the windows of B&B's and Hotels (I remenber seeing them in my childhood hols to Blackpool) signs saying 'No Irish, Blacks or Dogs'. But discrimination laws put an end to all that.

Now the leader of the British National Party (the suited front of a gang of racist thugs) has tweeted the address of the gay couple in the case above and encouraged people to go cause a 'bit of drama in their street'.
His defence of doing this is that it is a human right to discriminate.
So is it?- does an individual have the 'right' to discriminate against another if their beliefs tell them to?
Any thoughts?

[Eldorion]

I don't think there is a human right to discriminate, and there is even less of a human right to harass and intimidate people. It's times like this that I wish the "Slap Nick Griffin" website was still online. Goddamn was that satisfying.

[Pettytyrant101]

He does have one of those faces you feel you would never get tired of slapping!

[azriel]

Nobody should harass anyone, its not just legally wrong but morally & socially disgusting! Being "legally wrong" is a lesser point to me as in the eyes of the law.."what constitutes harrassment ? or, discrimination?". How often has THAt got to be proved? Verbal abuse,threats,malicious inuendo, physical assualt, just cos someone is not to YOUR liking is vile! I dont give a flying "f" if your gay, bi, black, red haired, (which I think is nice!) fat,thin or whatever. How DARE people pass judgement on others ! Shows how tiny minded people can be,yet we pat ourselves on the back & say how "modern" we are,(like "f") Mentally some people havnt progressed since we crawled out of the cave. Some Humans have got arrogant & "god minded" because there is no other opposition to us. We are top of our "food chain",the only higher authority to contradict & put us in our place is, any God that you believe in. If you dont believe in any God then, woo-hay !!! do what you like ! as theres no one to reprimand you except the people around you,& the Law, & a judge/jury.

[Pettytyrant101]

Whilst I agree with your overall sentiment Azriel I dont agree that without a God there is no one to reprimand but the law.
I dont believe in a God but I do believe in human morality- in fairness, equality and respect of others coupled with reposnsibilty to each other as human beings- and it requires no deities at all. Indeed Iwould agrue its better without the involvement of deities whose morality is at best highly dubious and contradictory.

[azriel]

I do agree with you Petty. I was just sorta showing,(in my crude way) that we have no higher order, ie: mice fear cats, zebra fear lions, Maybe people should be more outspoken ? but when we are we get accused of "taking the law into our own hands" & the Old Bill dont like that. So what to do?, I dont believe in ANY God. For all Ive read it all seems contradictory, & as you said, dubious. Praps pressure from people of our own level to show others to be tolerant & stop being a bully?

[Pettytyrant101]

Its a big universe- almost certainly something out there higher up the food chain than us- it just hasn't found us yet!

I think society exercises its own pressure with increased understanding and that then translates to law.
This is what happened with votes for women, or stopping racial discrimination- first it took a while for large enough sections of society to understand fully what was going on and to see it was just not right, then it took time to pressure and lobby to get changes in law to help end it.
Sadly there doesnt seem to be a quicker method- but spreading knowledge is what leads to understanding I reckon.
Its one of the reasons I think the internet is one of the greatest things ever created- here we all are, chatting talking, all from different parts of the world, no idea what colour anyone else is, having to deal with each other as people.
I think once this has gone on for a generation racism will become increasingly untenable (as will a govt ability to wage war on others on the basis 'they are not like us'- hard to sustain that if youve been chatting with someone from another country and discovered they are in fact exactly like us, watching all the same sort of tv and films, listening to the same sorts of music and with all the same hassles and troubles in life)

[azriel]

Exactly ! "If you prick us do we not bleed?", We are ALL born the same,we feel pain,joy etc. Are you sure your ONLY 41 yrs? your a darn sight more on the ball than me!

[Pettytyrant101]

I have the wisdom which can only to be found at the bottom of a buckie bottle!

(everyone looks the same after a few bottles- blurry)

[Mrs Figg]

Blurg.

[Pettytyrant101]

Do you mind Mrs Figg- we're having a senior moment here- mm maybe thats not the right phrase.


Anyway some updates on the tweet by Nick Griffiin- twitter have banned his account and the police have taken an interest- heres what he has being saying- firstthe tweet that started it all-

'So Messrs Black & Morgan, at [their address]. A British Justice team will come up to Huntington & give you a bit of drama by way of reminding you that an English couple's home is their castle. Say No to heterophobia!."

In a follow up radio interview he said;

"Those two gentlemen placed themselves in the public eye and they asked
for it when they used and abused the legal system to persecute an
innocent Christian couple."

Since then he seems to have been squirming about trying to backtrack-

"I said we will be holding a demonstration in Huntingdon. It doesn't necessarily mean outside their house."
He claimed that the reference "give you a bit of drama" in
his tweet was commenting on the fact the couple were involved in amateur
dramatics, and he had only wanted a "peaceful" demonstration.- BBC

[azriel]

I can go with "senior moment" lol !
I dont use "twitter" or any of the others, I just dont make the time. But I dont see how the 2 men "used & abused the legal system",( only quick witted people do that to enhance their illegal ways). "to persecute an innocent christian couple"? I dont get it? I live near Brighton on the South coast & its full of gays,theres some here in my home town, & they are the nicest people Ive met ! tolerant, funny, caring. Not the Thuggish Yobbo image Nick Griffin has portrayed. And I thought christians were meant to be a bit more generous spirited towards their fellow man? As for saying "bit of a drama", NG knows full well that in todays society of "soaps" & how much people associate with them, (?) that it would stir something up. This guy is very clever in his wording, he can insight & then say "it wasnt me"

[Pettytyrant101]

He is certainly a devious git. He has being trying to rebrand the BNP for years now, softening the public image and the appearence of them- but everytime there is a press investigation into them it takes 2 seconds to scratch the surface and find the usual thugs and neonazis that make up their membership.

And what does he mean by a visit from a 'British Justice Team'- and thats not supposed to be threatening? I mean whose Justice?- the BNP's presumably. They have a bloody cheek calling it British Justice- thats the last thing it is and insult to most folks who are British.

[azriel]

BNP row: Venue for Nick Griffin speech changed


A speech by British National Party (BNP) leader Nick Griffin at a village hall in East Sussex has been moved following a row over the venue.

Mr Griffin had been due to speak at a private meeting at Baldslow Memorial Hall in St Leonards on Sunday evening.

The BNP said the meeting would still go ahead, but that it would be held at an undisclosed location in Hastings.

Hastings Borough Council had threatened to cancel the hall's rate subsidy if it hosted the speech.

The authority wrote to the people who run the hall telling them they would have to pay back £376 they received as a charity in rate relief, saying the meeting was "contrary to the interests of the community".
'Very unhappy'

Leader of the Labour-run council, Jeremy Birch, said it was wrong for the people of Hastings to subsidise a charity "that's prepared to provide a platform to someone who is so completely opposed to the community harmony philosophy of this local authority".

He said the council had been contacted by local residents living in the area of the hall who were "very unhappy that their community centre was being used for this purpose to the extent that they offered to pay the booking fee to the charity if the BNP meeting didn't go ahead".

"I think we were acting appropriately, and it was unanimously approved by the council," Mr Birch said.

The BNP has described the move as an attack on free speech.

Speaking before the meeting on Sunday, Mr Griffin said he would be taken to the venue on arrival in Hastings by local BNP officials, but did not know where it was.

"As far as I know we were never going to use the hall... it's entirely up to our local people," he said.

The people who run Baldslow Memorial Hall have declined to comment on the issue

[Pettytyrant101]

Ifhe had been prevented speaking at a private event I would say hemighthave some sort of point- but community halls are for all the community- not just the racist white bits.
I dont think it would be appropriate myself to give the BNP a platform in one.

[Mrs Figg]

'hemighthave' Petty?

have you been at the eel oil again? or is that Scottish weird talk?

[Pettytyrant101]

If you mix it with buckie your tongue goes all tingly and your feet move to the top of your head!