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Re: Sherlock - BBC
by Norc Thu May 31, 2012 7:10 pm
Mrs Figg wrote:
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- I am going to have to, not necessarily disagree with you, but praise that decision. Remember, she does beat him, she makes a fool of him, he wants to impress her and that makes him loose in the end. So the fact that he decides to rescue her shows that he kind of liked that she outwitted him. He has a choice, rescue her or not and knowing she would be killed, so not rescue her would mean he would kill her, and Sherlock, even though he can seem like ice sometimes, could't get himself to not care and kill her. It shows that she is the woman. We know she loves Sherlock, but throughout the episode, we haven't been so sure about Sherlock. He is obviously crushed on her, and when she fooled him and all, was he angry? what? so that he rescues her shows that he loves (if you can use such a term with Sherlock) her and cares for her and forgives her. I think it was a smart thing to do because in season one we get the impression that Sherlock knows everything and if he doesn't, he will find it out in seconds and so on, so he would know that she would be killed, so he had a choice. and he couldn't let her die.
And Sherlock isn't a bitch to Molly because he is cruel, he just doesn't know that what he says may harm her and when he wants something from her, he just cares for the thing he wants. He just wants to impress and so on and doesn't realize what is out of place.
and.. isn't it cute how this whole episode is about love? Sherlock's love for Irene, Sherlock's love for Mrs Hudson, Molly's love for Sherlock, John's love life and love for Sherlock and so no.
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Re: Sherlock - BBC
by halfwise Thu May 31, 2012 7:14 pm
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Holmes can only fall in love with someone who is his intellectual match.
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Re: Sherlock - BBC
by Norc Thu May 31, 2012 7:17 pm
halfwise wrote:Mrs Figg wrote:
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Holmes can only fall in love with someone who is his intellectual match.
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- AND THAT'S WHY HE RESCUES HER, HE CAN'T LET HER DIE! damn it, he almost killed a man for laying a finger on mrs Hudson! okay, different relationship, but this is a man who won't see injustice be done!
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Re: Sherlock - BBC
by Pettytyrant101 Thu May 31, 2012 7:22 pm
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- But in the original story she was more than his match- she categorically beat him, got what she wanted and left of her own choosing. He never got to turn the tables on her. He never ran off after her to save her, she was never going to get close to needing saved. Now whilst I dont mind Sherlock turning the tables on her and using her feelings as the key to the password, that later section is more like a sequal to the original story (which takes up the first half of Moffats version) and she does in that first half beat him hands down pretty much as she does it in the book. Its the running after her and the fact she needs saved- its seems to diminsh what she is, which is at least as good as Sherlock. Would Sherlock ever find himself kneeling waiting to be beheaded with no plan or way out? Doubtful. I dont think she should either.
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Re: Sherlock - BBC
by Mrs Figg Thu May 31, 2012 8:56 pm
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- exactly Petty its weak and tenuous a feel good factor and nothing more that she is saved by Sherlock, she is seriously clever and would never have got in the situation where she is getting beheaded, she is the polar opposite of damsel in distress, I also dont like the whole woman in burkah in the hands of taliban premis either, she is a super high class 'International Woman of Mystery' into domination, what the hell would she be doing in a country with burkahs anyway
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Re: Sherlock - BBC
by Norc Thu May 31, 2012 9:24 pm
I guess some things you just can't control no matter how smart and clever you are. I bet she never intended that that would happen, but it did.
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Re: Sherlock - BBC
by Pettytyrant101 Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:10 am
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- Its not that she didnt intend it its that she is in that situation at all. She is as smart as Sherlock, she would never get herself into such a situation anymore than he would. Yet they choose to put her in an imminent death situation with no way out save rescue by the hero male.
That just seems to go against the basic fundemental of the character Doyle wrote. The whole point of it was she never needed rescuing in the first place- she always had it under control and thats how the stroy ends with her leaving having made her choices and now she is sticking to them. So to then reduce her (and I think it is a reduction) to someone who needs rescued to get out of a situation she is proabbly to clever to have gotten into anyway seems wrong to me.
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Re: Sherlock - BBC
by Kafria Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:11 am
Sticking my twopenneth in. Talk a little about episodes beyond the first of season two, so if you're still watching you may wish to skip this.
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- I don't really have an opinion on this in terms of how it affects Irenes character, but it seems to me, in story terms, that this scene is more about setting up the idea that Sherlock can keep things from both John and more importantly Mycroft. Also the fact that Mycroft keeps things from Sherlock to protect him. For the rest of the season arc to work this is the crucial factor. These underpinning ideas come into both the next two stories. It is also there to show Moriarty as this big criminal kingpin. Irene is reduced in some ways by the suggestion that she is consulting him, not working independantly. In that sense, they have to show some consequence for her no longer being protected. In terms of whether Sherlock can fall in love..... pass. I think with Irene it is more the intrigue of not being able to figure her out than love itself.
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Re: Sherlock - BBC
by Mrs Figg Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:38 pm
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- as far as seeing Sherlock and Mycroft keeping things from each other, we see this already in the fact that Mycroft told John to tell Sherlock that Irene was in witness protection instead of being dead, and Sherlock keeps from Mycroft the fact that he has been texting Irene all along, is in secret contact with her which could have jeapardized the whole deal with the terrorists, also we dont actually have to see Sherlock saving her to set up that there are consequences for being a loose cannon
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Re: Sherlock - BBC
by Norc Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:45 pm
I think Kafria has a pretty good point and I'm gonna lean on that 
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Re: Sherlock - BBC
by Pettytyrant101 Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:51 pm
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- You raise some good points Kafria. Especially about it setting some things up for later (and we know from Who how Moffat loves to do that- even the stand alones in series 6 were still about the series main themes).
It still doesnt sit entirely comfortably with me, as I still feel it takes away from her, but you are also right in saying that making her consult Moriarty instead of acting independently already does that.
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Re: Sherlock - BBC
by Mrs Figg Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:02 pm
The one good thing about buffering is that you get to stare at stuff for minutes and you notice things. Like I noticed a small but interesting detail (well I thought so) that Martin being supposedly an army man he always walks in the military way with his hands in a tight fist with the thumbs aligned with the seam of the trousers the way soldiers are taught to march when on parade. My dad taught me all that stuff being ex military.
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Re: Sherlock - BBC
by Norc Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:14 pm
I LOVE IT! I watched unheathy many times and I love all those little details
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Re: Sherlock - BBC
by Mrs Figg Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:21 pm
finally got to see the Hound of the Baskervilles, I enjoyed it, not as much as the Irene Adler one but it had some scary bits.
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- I liked that Sherlock finally admits John is his friend, cant admit he is ever wrong ((reminds me of someone I know
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Re: Sherlock - BBC
by Norc Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:26 pm
Mrs Figg wrote:finally got to see the Hound of the Baskervilles, I enjoyed it, not as much as the Irene Adler one but it had some scary bits.
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I actually re-saw it today with my sister
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- When Lestrade comes along and reveal to Sherlock that his name is Greg. And those gays who think Sherlock and John are gay and John just i"got any crisps?". And that fellow who plays Henry Knight (or whatever his last name is) is great! And that Benedict drives the car because Martin Freeman aparently doesn't have a license. The whole taking the tupe covered in blood thing and ARGH! everything! ((btw, the whole episode is about John and Sherlock|s relationship and how it works))
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Re: Sherlock - BBC
by Norc Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:44 pm
ooh! I just thought of something! after the reichenbach fall! I'll put it in a spoiler thing in case I'm right.
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- what if when Sherlock had to pretend to be dead he litterally went under-ground, blended in with his homeless network. So he grows a shaggy beard, wear horrible clothes and a woolen hat covering his now long hair. Then he follows John around. Nobody takes any notice of the homeless. Watson sees but doesn't observe! For three years he's just that sad man sitting in street corners with a little cup.
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Re: Sherlock - BBC
by Norc Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:46 pm
I read something a while ago on tumblr someone saying that maybe John created Sherlock, Sherlock was just an imaginary friend he created for himself so he could cope with life after the war, then I saw this gif today and it broke my heart 
gonna use this as my signature from now on...until the third season..
edit: or not..just makes me sad..
gonna use this as my signature from now on...until the third season..
edit: or not..just makes me sad..
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Re: Sherlock - BBC
by Norc Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:00 pm
i like spamming the Sherlock thread. and yes. I play this fairly well
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Re: Sherlock - BBC
by Orwell Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:13 pm
Your signature pic, Norc, I don't understand! 
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Re: Sherlock - BBC
by Norc Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:18 pm
Something funny. It's Martin Freeman and Benedict Cumberbatch on the set for Sherlock. Benedict has this coat over the long coat and the bag, so it looks like he has a skirt. But most of all they just look immensly cool.
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Re: Sherlock - BBC
by Norc Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:30 pm
This is perfect. Combining moomin valley and Snufkin with Sherlock... <3
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Re: Sherlock - BBC
by Mrs Figg Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:42 am
ok I just watched the Reichenbach Fall, Martin should get a BAFTA for that performance, it was understated brilliance. From start to finish brilliance. 
I love your idea of an imaginary friend Norc.
I love your idea of an imaginary friend Norc.
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by Orwell Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:35 am
I had an Imaginary Friend until recently, but my Missus said: "I've had enough, Orwy! It's either Him or Me. Choose NOW! 
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Re: Sherlock - BBC
by halfwise Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:54 am
Hey Norc, tried playing Irene's theme, but the off beats in the second half keep throwing me off - it's like the whole melody has been displaced 1/3 beat for no good reason. I don't remember how it sounded in the film, haven't been able to wrap my head around the printed version. Was it jaunty? melancholic? I just don't know.
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Re: Sherlock - BBC
by Norc Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:54 am
halfwise wrote:Hey Norc, tried playing Irene's theme, but the off beats in the second half keep throwing me off - it's like the whole melody has been displaced 1/3 beat for no good reason. I don't remember how it sounded in the film, haven't been able to wrap my head around the printed version. Was it jaunty? melancholic? I just don't know.
well, yeah, the beats are just confusing, it just goes so slowly, my teacher played it, like correct, and it sounded a bit off, so I just use the sheet as some guidance and then play it by memory. And there should be a B first there.
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