US General Elections 2020

Trump will try to go out in flames, I wouldn't put it past him to try to start a civil war, he is already trying to get as much money from his supporters as possible, by bullying. Its probably a good idea that Biden has safe airspace above his house. Trump the trapped rat might stop at nothing. Trump has no concept of losing, its his worst nightmare, he might flip out and become really dangerous. He wont go quietly or with dignity that's for sure.

{{ Everyone bar Fox news had declared Pennyslvannia for Biden, given him him more than 270- and making him president elect. }}

Apparently Trump has gone golfing.

Good ridance to that odious narcistic piece of crap.

Fox news just declared as well.




Donald Trump...your fired!

{{ Fox news just gave him Nevada and Pennsylvannia! As they already gave him Arizona (which might be little dodgy) giving him 290 total}}

Lost the popular vote both times, impeached in his first term, hated globally, millions in debt...wouldn't want to be in Trump's hsoes right now...

I don't think Trump will ever concede, he'll either end up resigning or get dragged out of the white house.

Biden looks very likely to get Georgia as well.

I'm reading there's a small chance Alaska senate might flip as well.

{{ Think our UShobbits here did not bad, Eldys state went Biden, so did Halfy's and so did Daves I believe, not sure about everyone else as dont know where everyone is.

Malick if he gets more like georgia it puts him so far ahead even Trumps got to see he cant overturn it}}

{{ Trumps not going to concede and he is going to fight this until Dec 14th when the next president is officially confirmed by the elctoral folk. Till then Trumps going to throw legal challanges continually at all these states. }}

I'm waiting for Obama, Bush, Clinton and Carter to comment.

Maybe once Bush offically endorses the results it will actualy sink in for Trump.

Many repbublicans have indicated they don't agree with Trump contesting the results...Trump has apparently already decided to run again in 2024, can the Republican party block him from running as a candidate?

{{ Been crunching some numbers regards Trumps fraud claims.

Well give him N Carolina as hes got it in the bag. And Alaska.
So from a start of 214 N Car is 15 electoral votes, Alaska 3. So Trump is on 232.

In order to pass 270 he needs to overturn Philly, Georgia and Arizona as a minimum, leaving him on 276 if he were to.

That means in three seperate states they have to prove that collectively there was massive and widespread fraud that in order for Trump to overturn those states and win, means all together theyd need to prove that more than 62,232 votes were fraudlently counted and illegal.

There is no way that number were wrongly counted, let alone it being a delibrate and premeditated fraud being conducted here.

The question then becomes how long do the Republican Party back him and stick to refusing to concede and to back the fraud claims? }}

https://twitter.com/_RichardHall/status/1325107955835035650

that whole thread is a wtf moment...

 WHOOP WHOOP! good news!

Looks like Biden will have 2 more electoral college votes than Trump won in 2016, plus an actual majority of in person votes. A very sweet victory.

Never mind Trumpy, Veni Vici I fucked up. He spent so much time on greasing palms he forgot to lead a country, oh well, He can console himself crying to anyone that will listen to him up at St Andrews. This is the only time I pity the Scots, usually you know they can well look after themselves. Melania can teach Trump the old gypsy ways of getting by on very little, if she stays with him ? Her body language to me reads that she cant stand even a hand touch from that amphibian.

Petty Tyrant wrote:  Sorry Halfy but you vote Trump you are a bad person ...

This has been rankling me and I have to push back against it hard.  You can qualify it by saying all the horrible things Trump has said and done, but remember to many of these voters a vote against Trump is a vote for such things as liberalizing abortion, which in many eyes is state sanctioned murder.  It's a vote for socializing the economy, which in many eyes is tantamount to economic destruction and all the misery that comes with it.   You may not believe these are murder or economically destructive, but they do, and there is no nice and neat proof that they are wrong.  Quite the contrary; in fact I'd say they have an easier case to make.  If you judge people based on which side of the cultural decision-making they fall into, you are only inflaming the divisions which are already among the most destructive in world politics.

Calling Trump voters a "basket of deplorables" demonstrated a lack of understanding which cost Clinton the election.  And the more I think back on it, the more her loss seems deserved.  Trump won by demonizing his opponents, but the fact that it's his calling card should give you pause before doing the same yourself.

{{ You can stand for and vote for all those things, without suporting a narcisitic lying racist with a history of sexually assualting women.
Abortion, how much govenrment should fund everyday life and insitutions, these are honest differences of policy and opinion- Black folk bad, women are objects to be bullied and demonised, bare faced lying when it costs actual lives (250,000 of them so far) is not in the same boat as a difference of opinion- its just wrong. Its bad. Supporting it is just as wrong, just as bad. }}

You quantify those things as a difference of opinion and other not. Clearly people have a difference of opinion of what you have decided are evil... for whatever reason.

In fact, some would say that someone being bullish and an "alpha-male" come with being a strong leader whereas on the other side they are literally legaling child murder. They see the other side as evil and immoral.

It is never as simple as "all if x are not good people." If you honestly think that then I am afraid to say you are part of the problem of there being such a big divide. What I would say, having a reasonable amount of interaction with you, is that you wouldn't actually think that of a lot of those voters if you took the time to sit and talk to them.

There are a subset of both sides that really are not nice people... Biden voters (and the "left" in general) included!

{{ I do indeed think very little of bullies, racists, sexists and liars- that is very true. I think little of those who suport, enable and allow for such people to flourish either- also true.
Those things are not a matter of opinion, but of right and wrong. Some thngs are and should be obvious. Bullying, racism, sexism,narcissm, sexual assualt and habitual lying are all generally recognised in almost every culture thats ever been as bad. Not as matters of opinion.
All it takes for evil to win is for good people to do and say nothing. I say when I see evil. Trump is that, his attitudes, his actions his words are that, and those who enable support and allow him to do so are therefore no better than him. By giving him the platform and position to act this way they are on the wrong side of right.
None of it has anything to do with honest differences of opinion on policy like abortion, or immigration, or government input in society. Those are policy, differences of opinion and outlook.
Otherwise Id say anyone who votes republican is bad, and I have never said so as thats just politics. What Trump stands for is not politics, its anti-politics, its tribe and mob rule.}}

halfwise wrote:

Petty Tyrant wrote:  Sorry Halfy but you vote Trump you are a bad person ...

This has been rankling me and I have to push back against it hard.  You can qualify it by saying all the horrible things Trump has said and done, but remember to many of these voters a vote against Trump is a vote for such things as liberalizing abortion, which in many eyes is state sanctioned murder.  It's a vote for socializing the economy, which in many eyes is tantamount to economic destruction and all the misery that comes with it.   You may not believe these are murder or economically destructive, but they do, and there is no nice and neat proof that they are wrong.  Quite the contrary; in fact I'd say they have an easier case to make.  If you judge people based on which side of the cultural decision-making they fall into, you are only inflaming the divisions which are already among the most destructive in world politics.

Calling Trump voters a "basket of deplorables" demonstrated a lack of understanding which cost Clinton the election.  And the more I think back on it, the more her loss seems deserved.  Trump won by demonizing his opponents, but the fact that it's his calling card should give you pause before doing the same yourself.

I agree 100% with Halfy here. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but throwing personal judgements around at a time like this is like throwing matches around spilled fuel. First let us clean up the mess please, and that could take 6 months or more.

Well... for a start everything related to morality are all matters of opinion and you are factually and demostrably incorrect to say that cultures have generally recognised them to be bad.

Humans have in fact, demonstrably always been very tribal and quick to sought out conflict. They have always wanted to preserve THEIR way of life and tried to ensure any other threats to that are removed.

The evolution of morality, and normally subsequent law, is the usually driven by the same thing. The majority deciding that not doing something about it is a threat, so get it changed. Normally using extreme pressure and often, violence.

A lot of the time, these things spiral out of control because the differing sides are driven apart and do not attempt to get together to discuss their thoughts. They call each other names, they preach to themselves about how they are right and the other wrong, they get in to fights, they go to war.

I don't disagree with you about Trump being a prick, but I do think you are being just as bad as some of those that voted for him by denouncing every single one of his voters without knowing anything about the vast majority of them and WHY they voted for him.

{{ I have no issues with anyone who votes along policy lines. But there are and were other options to vote for other than Trump who stood for those things (and it appears one of the reasons Biden won is some Amercians who agreed with Trump on policy could not, rightly, bring themselves to vote for the man and went for other candidates).
Choosing to vote for a man who displays so many dangerously negative and vile positions is not the same as having a poicy difference with someone about how to run the country.
Diffrences of opinion on abortion or the like can be decided democratically through discussion, debate, scienctific evidence and voting and the willingness even if you disaagre to abide by the result and laws - thats how it works. Democracy cant work without this basic fundemental understanding. Dog whistling to racists, bullying women who critise you, lying to the people about the danger they are in from corona and all the other unpleasantness that comes with Trump, none of these things are policy or just a diffrence of opinion. They are vile. And I have no shame or hestiation in saying they are vile.}}

I think we are all with you here saying that they are vile. But a) that is our opinion and not fact and b) our opinion does not speak for why all of the others you have thrown under a bus voted for him.

If the vote here were between someone you thought were calling for the genocide of, say, all immigrants from Latvia and the other "make a difference" vote was someone who promised he wouldn't but had a large number of other character flaws... who would you vote for. You know that the third party options won't help because one of the other two WILL get in to power.

I am pretty sure you would vote for what you believed was the lesser of the two evils given the gravity of not doing so.