US General Elections 2020

I do agree that there is no easy way out of the Ukraine war for either side, but any peace negotiated by Trump's administration will rather heavily favour Russia's side I feel, Trump has repeatedly stated he admires and Putin and openly said in the past he trusted Putin over his own intelligence agencies:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44852812

And his first impeachment in office was tied directly to trying to blackmail Ukraine's leader:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-ukraine-russia-impeachment-biden-b1999738.html

He clearly doesn't give much of a shit about Europe either way, he's an isolationist that will favour anything that gives him short term gain first so you'll have to forgive me if I remain sceptical about his commitment to a lasting peace. Forcing Ukraine to accept Putin's demands now may play well with his voters at home, but it will only embolden Russia in the future i.m.o, Putin doesn't seem to care at all about the huge losses Russia has suffered so far (many of those soldiers killed were conscripts from Rural areas not the Urban centres he holds much of his popularity in) and I feel he'd certainly be willing to take part of Ukraine now, recoup and build up his forces again only to make another move a few years later. The money and resources the US has spent in Ukraine is really a drop in the bucket compared to the expenses of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, supporting Ukraine to bring the war to an end in their favour now will save American lives and money later. 

It is rather strange to see the party of Reagan so staunchly opposed to the Soviets in the cold war now fall in line with Russia, as a fellow European surely you can see the danger in letting an expansive Russia given free reign right on our borders? Time and again the UK has been dragged into conflicts by America and our intelligence/military organisations have very close cooperation, really not sure we can trust the United states anymore.

That's not to say I'm in favour of the war dragging on forever, I just don't trust Trump or his cronies to support a result in Ukraine's favour, and I really don't feel we Brits can or should trust America anymore.

You say you don't think LGB rights will be affected? But they said Roe vs Wade would not be overturned, at least one member of the Supreme court has suggested Gay Marriage be reconsidered:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/24/thomas-constitutional-rights-00042256

And have you not heard of Project 2025?:

https://www.out.com/politics/what-is-project-2025-explainer

Speaking as someone in a long term relationship with a Bisexual woman with several LGBT colleagues and acquittances you'll have to forgive me if i remain sceptical that LGB rights won't be affected, Trans people are only the target now because gay people aren't seen as acceptable right now, I guarantee the far right Christian nationalists who make up a large part of Trump's hardcore fans see little difference between the groups, as with illegal/legal immigrants-they'll scapegoat one group before moving onto another, some of Trump's closest advisors are open white nationalists:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Miller_(political_advisor)

Most trans people (not the blue haired Twitter types) are just normal people who want to feel comfortable in their own bodies and live their lives in peace, not sure why you have such a problem with them, I doubt Trump's cabinet will see much difference between a trans teen and a trans adult, either way I think their rights are to be severely curtailed. 

As for Starmer...well he's a slimy git and I wouldn't vote for him, but the Tories have done absolutely fuck all good for my generation or the working classes, so you'll have to forgive me If I don't shed any tears over pensioners loosing the winter fuel allowance-every Pensioner I know who could claim either doesn't, or doesn't need it (one guy I work with is 73 and only working because he's bored, he moaned that lost out as he usually spent the allowance down the pub, he went silent when I pointed out the state pension was rising more than that anyway). From my perspective the last 14 years of British goverment was shit, so I'm willing to wait a little longer before pasing final judgement on Labour.


Maybe I'm a pessimist and letting my own political biases show (admittedly I am relatively liberal on most, but not all social issues)  but I can't help but think that America may come to regret Trump's re-election in future.

Just glad that in Europe we have less extreme options.

Most trans people (not the blue haired Twitter types) are just normal people who want to feel comfortable in their own bodies and live their lives in peace, not sure why you have such a problem with them, I doubt Trump's cabinet will see much difference between a trans teen and a trans adult, either way I think their rights are to be severely curtailed.

I dont have any problem with them. Whatsoever. But I do have a problem with men competing in women's sports, male criminals going into female prisons, and children being mutilated.


As for Starmer...well he's a slimy git and I wouldn't vote for him, but the Tories have done absolutely fuck all .
They are both a cheek on the same arse

Figgy - not sure what is serious and what is satire from you at this point.

Do you actually think forcing Ukraine to capitulate or leaving them to their fate is a good idea? What would stop someone who clearly wants to see his countries former glory restored carrying on in to Eastern Europe? Or China know that we really won't follow through in defence of Taiwan or support other countries in the South China Sea?

And then why would those countries not look to form deeper ties with Russia and China instead of the 'West' which will mean less trade and lower living standards for us?

If NATO falls apart I don't think it will be long before bigger wars erupt across the world.

Lancebloke wrote:Figgy - not sure what is serious and what is satire from you at this point.

Do you actually think forcing Ukraine to capitulate or leaving them to their fate is a good idea? What would stop someone who clearly wants to see his countries former glory restored carrying on in to Eastern Europe? Or China know that we really won't follow through in defence of Taiwan or support other countries in the South China Sea?

And then why would those countries not look to form deeper ties with Russia and China instead of the 'West' which will mean less trade and lower living standards for us?

If NATO falls apart I don't think it will be long before bigger wars erupt across the world.

Its mostly satire fyi.  

I certainly dont suggest that Ukraine capitulate and admit defeat. When I said a ceasefire I meant compromise on both sides, not defeat, and surrender on the Ukrainian side and 'victory' for Putin. That would give him carte blanche to invade Moldavia. No, I meant one so called 'strong man', Trump, putting his cards on the table to Putin and through diplomacy and ego stroking, threats and ultimatums (because unfortunately that's what you have to do to tyrants, until their own people end them down tunnels), get him to agree to a ceasefire. Or else! The only thing stopping Putin from invading already is probably pressure from China, who have their own invasion plans put on hold. And what is stopping China? there must be someone further up the food chain that stops them from invading Taiwan tomorrow or last week, and it's America isn't it. I think Trump is a game changer, I think the world dodged a bullet, the world's biggest ever fucking bullet by defeating that drunken word salad hyena Kamel Hoof Harris. People hate Trump but he really did save Europe. Anyway, let's see what transpires over the next 4 years. You can always say "I told you so".

How did Trump save Europe? By getting them to take over their own defence in NATO?

No, by letting the Left know that their disgraceful capitulation to the denizens of Alans Snack Bar is going to stop. The fact that the UK government currently protects and covers for them at the expense of their own people. The proof of this is overwhelming. The fact that as we speak Christian churches are burned to the ground from Canada to France. The fact that there are now political prisoners and a wholesale attack on freedom of speech while the call for Jihad and the ending of Jews goes unchallenged in every city of Britain. Trump will save Europe from those who hate it, and a lot of those people are useful idiots from the Left such as 'Gays for Palestine', and Hate not Hope, sorry.. Hope not Hate.

Mrs Figg wrote:No, by letting the Left know that their disgraceful capitulation to the denizens of Alans Snack Bar is going to stop. The fact that the UK government currently protects and covers for them at the expense of their own people. The proof of this is overwhelming. The fact that as we speak Christian churches are burned to the ground from Canada to France. The fact that there are now political prisoners and a wholesale attack on freedom of speech while the call for Jihad and the ending of Jews goes unchallenged in every city of Britain. Trump will save Europe from those who hate it, and a lot of those people are useful idiots from the Left such as 'Gays for Palestine', and Hate not Hope, sorry.. Hope not Hate.

This makes no sense at all. What's Trump got to say about Alan's Snack Bar? And if he does, who in Europe is listening?

I mean.... its not.

For now...but it will be in 20 years.

Try telling the Jewish football fans attacked in Amsterdam that Alans Snack Bar is not a problem.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/08/israel-sends-rescue-planes-football-fans-reportedly-attacked-amsterdam

Really? Have you actually seen what was going on in Amsterdam?

And big portion of those fucking gaslighting pricks got what was coming to them!

And in 20 years in the UK. I doubt it.

Sorry Figgs, I'm here in a college that probably has more muslims than any other in the western world. Yes, we had a pro palestinian encampment that broke into the administration building, but I don't think it was the muslim contingent that did the breaking and entering; it was a group led by rabble raisers from the 70's looking for another day in the sun. Nearly half our students are Muslim. It's not a problem. They'd just be confused if you asked if they preferred Sharia law. You're letting yourself get worked up over utter nonsense.

The whole Kristallnacht thing is irrelevant. The supporters were there for the football... it could have been any day really.

And I have seen a substantial amount of video of Israelis climbing on buildings and ripping down Palestinian flags. Whi the fuck do they think they are in someone else's country?

And secondly, I have also seen several videos, including some from inside the stadium, with a large contingent of Israelis chanting horrific things (there are no schools in Gaza because all the kids are dead...?)

Now... were there innocent people who had no involvement in anything caught up? Undoubtedly and that is also horrible. But it seems the Israeli supporters didn't seem to give a shit who they offended including people who may very be seeing their families get slaughtered in Gaza, the West Bank or Lebanon.

Lancebloke wrote:
And I have seen a substantial amount of video of Israelis climbing on buildings and ripping down Palestinian flags. Whi the fuck do they think they are in someone else's country?

"In someone elses country", they are not IN Gaza, they are in Amsterdam, it is the Dutch people's country. Palestine flags should not even  BE in Amsterdam, Dutch people have every right to remove those alien flags, and if Israeli's remove the flags associated with hamas they are allowed to do so without getting stabbed. Also there are British people who pull down the free plasticine flags in England, have they no right to remove the flags either? It sounds an an awful like political and religious colonisation to me.

No... people don't have the right to take shit down from other people's properties! Absolutely not!!

And how do you know who those flags belong to? There are plenty of British people who support Palestinians and put their flags up to show it. You think there are no Dutch people doing the same?

There were demonstrations in my town today. Flags held up, flags pinned to the train station pillars, people shouting about all the atrocities going on, people trying to put leaflets in my hands. One man shouting that the Government must stop this because 180,000 children have died during etc etc. They were quite forceful and angry and the chanting became more aggressive. I wondered what was truth and what wasnt.

Only the British flag should be put up in England. The plasticine flag is nothing but an Islamist provocation and insult to Jews. Nobody else puts their flag up, so why do that lot get to defile the streets. Most of the protestors are middle class students cosplaying as Gazans. They all have kitchen towels and masks wrapped round their heads and faces because they are afraid of being identified, and rightly so, of a proscribed terrorist group. The other half are ancient died in the wool Socialist Worker types who have wandered off into the jungle and still think they are at war, and others are paid to protest by various dodgy marxist groups. The last lot are just freaks and losers who enjoy hating other people and have latched on to any group that are allowed to scream in public. what a lovely lot they are.

Azriel - if you are interested then spend some time looking it up. There are news sites that aggregated reports from various news sites and tell you which ones are left leaning or right leaning etc so that you can try to get as balanced a view as possible without booking a flight.

Figgy - again, not sure what is satire and what isn't right now but all I can say is the closer all that is to your actual person view, the more you need to climb out of a rabbit hole you are in!

Yes, Hamas are a terrorist group that need destroying. Yes, the 38 kids and other people that were killed (some brutally) back in October was disgusting. Yes, there are Islamist groups with a sole goal of destroying any way of life that isn't theirs.

But also, the Israelis are continually expanding their settlements in to plaestinian territory. They are forcibly removing people from their homes often resulting in people dying. And they are right now being far more brutal... 38 kids versus about 13000 kids dead since October.

And people should put whatever flag up they want on their property. If we are talking about limiting freedoms of speech then that is definitely a rabbit hole you need to get out of!

I have just dug my way out of the biggest rabbit hole that the biased msm and traitorous government have dug for the British people over the last 3 decades since Blair the war criminal. It is always the innocent people who suffer no matter what 'side' you are on. Thats obvious. You must admit though that there are seams of antisemitic hatred in the Labour party, and massive seams of bias towards the islamists, therefore the narrative we get is one sided.

I have no doubt the hamas terrorist supporters will also try to disrupt Remembrance Day today. The disgusting reptiles will defile the memory of those who fell to save us from this shit and no doubt scream their hatred of us during the one-minute silence. The government allows this.

"Azriel - if you are interested then spend some time looking it up. There are news sites that aggregated reports from various news sites and tell you which ones are left leaning or right leaning etc so that you can try to get as balanced a view as possible without booking a flight."
I agree with you. Eyesight into both sides Lance.
In this country I do feel that Government seem to lean with Islamic groups and not only eyes but ears are turned. I have a very low trust threshold and always believe whatever Government we have, whoever sits their 'claims tax perks' arse on the fine squishy leather seats are only there to do corrupt things, its the one chance in life, the only chance in life, theyve got. Nothing makes sense and all is weird. One could almost believe money is changing hands ? In this 21st century ? Who would believe it ?