US General Elections 2020
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Re: US General Elections 2020
I do agree that there is no easy way out of the Ukraine war for either side, but any peace negotiated by Trump's administration will rather heavily favour Russia's side I feel, Trump has repeatedly stated he admires and Putin and openly said in the past he trusted Putin over his own intelligence agencies:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44852812
And his first impeachment in office was tied directly to trying to blackmail Ukraine's leader:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-ukraine-russia-impeachment-biden-b1999738.html
He clearly doesn't give much of a shit about Europe either way, he's an isolationist that will favour anything that gives him short term gain first so you'll have to forgive me if I remain sceptical about his commitment to a lasting peace. Forcing Ukraine to accept Putin's demands now may play well with his voters at home, but it will only embolden Russia in the future i.m.o, Putin doesn't seem to care at all about the huge losses Russia has suffered so far (many of those soldiers killed were conscripts from Rural areas not the Urban centres he holds much of his popularity in) and I feel he'd certainly be willing to take part of Ukraine now, recoup and build up his forces again only to make another move a few years later. The money and resources the US has spent in Ukraine is really a drop in the bucket compared to the expenses of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, supporting Ukraine to bring the war to an end in their favour now will save American lives and money later.
It is rather strange to see the party of Reagan so staunchly opposed to the Soviets in the cold war now fall in line with Russia, as a fellow European surely you can see the danger in letting an expansive Russia given free reign right on our borders? Time and again the UK has been dragged into conflicts by America and our intelligence/military organisations have very close cooperation, really not sure we can trust the United states anymore.
That's not to say I'm in favour of the war dragging on forever, I just don't trust Trump or his cronies to support a result in Ukraine's favour, and I really don't feel we Brits can or should trust America anymore.
You say you don't think LGB rights will be affected? But they said Roe vs Wade would not be overturned, at least one member of the Supreme court has suggested Gay Marriage be reconsidered:
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/24/thomas-constitutional-rights-00042256
And have you not heard of Project 2025?:
https://www.out.com/politics/what-is-project-2025-explainer
Speaking as someone in a long term relationship with a Bisexual woman with several LGBT colleagues and acquittances you'll have to forgive me if i remain sceptical that LGB rights won't be affected, Trans people are only the target now because gay people aren't seen as acceptable right now, I guarantee the far right Christian nationalists who make up a large part of Trump's hardcore fans see little difference between the groups, as with illegal/legal immigrants-they'll scapegoat one group before moving onto another, some of Trump's closest advisors are open white nationalists:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Miller_(political_advisor)
Most trans people (not the blue haired Twitter types) are just normal people who want to feel comfortable in their own bodies and live their lives in peace, not sure why you have such a problem with them, I doubt Trump's cabinet will see much difference between a trans teen and a trans adult, either way I think their rights are to be severely curtailed.
As for Starmer...well he's a slimy git and I wouldn't vote for him, but the Tories have done absolutely fuck all good for my generation or the working classes, so you'll have to forgive me If I don't shed any tears over pensioners loosing the winter fuel allowance-every Pensioner I know who could claim either doesn't, or doesn't need it (one guy I work with is 73 and only working because he's bored, he moaned that lost out as he usually spent the allowance down the pub, he went silent when I pointed out the state pension was rising more than that anyway). From my perspective the last 14 years of British goverment was shit, so I'm willing to wait a little longer before pasing final judgement on Labour.
Maybe I'm a pessimist and letting my own political biases show (admittedly I am relatively liberal on most, but not all social issues) but I can't help but think that America may come to regret Trump's re-election in future.
Just glad that in Europe we have less extreme options.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44852812
And his first impeachment in office was tied directly to trying to blackmail Ukraine's leader:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-ukraine-russia-impeachment-biden-b1999738.html
He clearly doesn't give much of a shit about Europe either way, he's an isolationist that will favour anything that gives him short term gain first so you'll have to forgive me if I remain sceptical about his commitment to a lasting peace. Forcing Ukraine to accept Putin's demands now may play well with his voters at home, but it will only embolden Russia in the future i.m.o, Putin doesn't seem to care at all about the huge losses Russia has suffered so far (many of those soldiers killed were conscripts from Rural areas not the Urban centres he holds much of his popularity in) and I feel he'd certainly be willing to take part of Ukraine now, recoup and build up his forces again only to make another move a few years later. The money and resources the US has spent in Ukraine is really a drop in the bucket compared to the expenses of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, supporting Ukraine to bring the war to an end in their favour now will save American lives and money later.
It is rather strange to see the party of Reagan so staunchly opposed to the Soviets in the cold war now fall in line with Russia, as a fellow European surely you can see the danger in letting an expansive Russia given free reign right on our borders? Time and again the UK has been dragged into conflicts by America and our intelligence/military organisations have very close cooperation, really not sure we can trust the United states anymore.
That's not to say I'm in favour of the war dragging on forever, I just don't trust Trump or his cronies to support a result in Ukraine's favour, and I really don't feel we Brits can or should trust America anymore.
You say you don't think LGB rights will be affected? But they said Roe vs Wade would not be overturned, at least one member of the Supreme court has suggested Gay Marriage be reconsidered:
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/24/thomas-constitutional-rights-00042256
And have you not heard of Project 2025?:
https://www.out.com/politics/what-is-project-2025-explainer
Speaking as someone in a long term relationship with a Bisexual woman with several LGBT colleagues and acquittances you'll have to forgive me if i remain sceptical that LGB rights won't be affected, Trans people are only the target now because gay people aren't seen as acceptable right now, I guarantee the far right Christian nationalists who make up a large part of Trump's hardcore fans see little difference between the groups, as with illegal/legal immigrants-they'll scapegoat one group before moving onto another, some of Trump's closest advisors are open white nationalists:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Miller_(political_advisor)
Most trans people (not the blue haired Twitter types) are just normal people who want to feel comfortable in their own bodies and live their lives in peace, not sure why you have such a problem with them, I doubt Trump's cabinet will see much difference between a trans teen and a trans adult, either way I think their rights are to be severely curtailed.
As for Starmer...well he's a slimy git and I wouldn't vote for him, but the Tories have done absolutely fuck all good for my generation or the working classes, so you'll have to forgive me If I don't shed any tears over pensioners loosing the winter fuel allowance-every Pensioner I know who could claim either doesn't, or doesn't need it (one guy I work with is 73 and only working because he's bored, he moaned that lost out as he usually spent the allowance down the pub, he went silent when I pointed out the state pension was rising more than that anyway). From my perspective the last 14 years of British goverment was shit, so I'm willing to wait a little longer before pasing final judgement on Labour.
Maybe I'm a pessimist and letting my own political biases show (admittedly I am relatively liberal on most, but not all social issues) but I can't help but think that America may come to regret Trump's re-election in future.
Just glad that in Europe we have less extreme options.
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Re: US General Elections 2020
Most trans people (not the blue haired Twitter types) are just normal people who want to feel comfortable in their own bodies and live their lives in peace, not sure why you have such a problem with them, I doubt Trump's cabinet will see much difference between a trans teen and a trans adult, either way I think their rights are to be severely curtailed.
I dont have any problem with them. Whatsoever. But I do have a problem with men competing in women's sports, male criminals going into female prisons, and children being mutilated.
As for Starmer...well he's a slimy git and I wouldn't vote for him, but the Tories have done absolutely fuck all .
They are both a cheek on the same arse
I dont have any problem with them. Whatsoever. But I do have a problem with men competing in women's sports, male criminals going into female prisons, and children being mutilated.
As for Starmer...well he's a slimy git and I wouldn't vote for him, but the Tories have done absolutely fuck all .
They are both a cheek on the same arse
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Re: US General Elections 2020
Figgy - not sure what is serious and what is satire from you at this point.
Do you actually think forcing Ukraine to capitulate or leaving them to their fate is a good idea? What would stop someone who clearly wants to see his countries former glory restored carrying on in to Eastern Europe? Or China know that we really won't follow through in defence of Taiwan or support other countries in the South China Sea?
And then why would those countries not look to form deeper ties with Russia and China instead of the 'West' which will mean less trade and lower living standards for us?
If NATO falls apart I don't think it will be long before bigger wars erupt across the world.
Do you actually think forcing Ukraine to capitulate or leaving them to their fate is a good idea? What would stop someone who clearly wants to see his countries former glory restored carrying on in to Eastern Europe? Or China know that we really won't follow through in defence of Taiwan or support other countries in the South China Sea?
And then why would those countries not look to form deeper ties with Russia and China instead of the 'West' which will mean less trade and lower living standards for us?
If NATO falls apart I don't think it will be long before bigger wars erupt across the world.
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