Re: More Hobbit pictures [2] SPOILER THREAD

[Pettytyrant101]

My contenders would be some of the elves present at the Council of Elrond that seem to be there as advisors and Glorfindel certainly, probably Cirdan too as well as Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast, Elrond and Galadriel.
I reckon about half a dozen folks minimum.

[Pettytyrant101]

Toy time!

Grinnah (whoever the hell he is!)



Fimbul (no, me neither )



Bolg (hey I've heard of him! - but s that a beard or a tentacle chin? )

[RA]

Is that last one the the infamous zombie Orc?

[Pettytyrant101]

I think Azog is the zombie one.
Bolg seems to be working for Sauron and heading up the Dol Guldur orcs in PJ's fervered imagination.

[Orwell]

I swear one of them is Voldemort!

[Pettytyrant101]

'From the director of the Lord of the Rings Trilogy'- PJ has successfully removed Tolkien from any association with Lord of the Rings or The Hobbit then in favour of, oh what a suprise, himself.

[Eldorion]

Are you still going on about that? They've been using "From the director of 'The Lord of the Rings' Trilogy" as the tagline for almost a year now. I think a time comes to just let go. Besides, it's not like the marketing for LOTR had Tolkien's name plastered over it and no one ever seemed bothered by that.

[Pettytyrant101]

I bloody was!

[Eldorion]

Never change, Petty.

It just seems fairly inconsequential to me. There seem to be better things to complain about if you have a quota to meet. IMO.

[Pettytyrant101]

But it speaks to the heart of the trouble Eldo- Pj's ego!
Actually I think it would be better if they not only dropped Tolkiens name from this but probably The Hobbit bit too.
With any luck it will be a carcrash of a film and the only name left attached to it in huge letters will be bloody PJ's!

[Eldorion]

I'm not holding my breath for that outcome. And I would like for the films to be enjoyable.

Also, because I'm curious now, were you upset about the lack of Tolkien's name in the marketing for LOTR a decade ago?

[Pettytyrant101]

Yes- although he did at least get a mention- and PJ was not well known then either so Tolkien was the bigger name and draw and his name got used.
From the production blogs to general info Tolkien was present during the making of the LotR's.
Now its just PJ's name.
And excuse me for being old fashioned but I reckon if you make your name and career of the back of someone elses work its only fair and decent you at least acknowledge that fact- not try to blot the original persons name out and take credit solely to yourself. Thats the act of a complete dickhead.

I really do hope now these films arent just the bad adaptation we all know they wil be, but that they are also truelly, painfully, awful films- I hope they are an utter disgrace, embarrassingly, cringweworthingly unwatchable shite- I pray they flop world wide and are so bad the last part never even gets released- thats what I feel PJ and the Coven deserve for their basterisation and ruinification of Tolkiens work and name.

Does that answer the question of whether I am upset about it or not Eldo?

[David H]

In the interest of fairness, I'd like to point out that the producer and director of a film have almost no input on the distribution of a film which includes all the marketing, such as posters, trailers etc.

Jackson's production company has a contract with MGM/NewLine to produce and deliver a certain kind of film they think they can sell. They in turn have a contract with Warner Bros. to get the film into cinemas and fill the seats. At this point, MGM is the absolute boss. Now Jackson is contractually required to deliver to MGM a certain specified product by a specified date, and Warner Bros. has orders from MGM to make The Hobbit's opening bigger than Harry Potter.

MGM has huge debts from their recent reorganization and needs the Hobbit to set some box office records, preferably 3 times in a row. (I'm sure that's the real reason behind the 3 movies. ) The last thing they're worrying about now is who gets credit. I'll bet we actually see the promotion material before PJ does.

[Pettytyrant101]

I dont disagree David- but during the making of LotR's Tolkiens name always seemed close by- we were fed titbits of info- how Ian Mckeelan carried a copy of the book with him - that sort of thing. Tolkiens name came up a lot in interviews and vblogs.
There was more a sense of balance between PJ and Tolkien- at least in the promotion if not the end result.
And can you imagine that TH extras will have an entire documentray just to discuss the book as LotR's did? What would be the point when PJ has rewritten 90% of it?

The overall impression I get is that there is a delibrate attempt this time to downplay or remove Tolkien from the equation and to promote PJ.
Greed and avarice on the part of WB and MGM is not in my book a good enough excuse for the basterdisation of a mans life works.

[Eldorion]

You're entitled to your feelings of course, but I don't think that you're being entirely fair. The filmmakers have talked quite a bit about Tolkien this time around too. PJ and Co. have gotten a lot of flack on here for being misleading about the content of the Appendices but in doing so they're trying to establish a link between Tolkien and their films, much as they did with LOTR. I do agree that as PJ has become more successful he hasn't mentioned Tolkien quite as much -- that can be seen even from FOTR to ROTK -- but I don't think the difference is quite as big as you make it out to be.

PJ has definitely not tried to remove Tolkien's name from the equation. He wouldn't keep going on about how Tolkien had tried to expand The Hobbit or how they're drawing all this additional material from Tolkien's notes if that was the case. He might not be entirely accurate in his representation of that, but he's still talking about Tolkien. I think David is right about the marketing material, and I'll point out that the posters and trailers for LOTR didn't mention Tolkien very much either.

[David H]

I wouldn't be surprised if their legal department has asked them to be careful about how they use the Tolkien name this time, after all the unpleasantness with the Tolkien estate last time. We'll never know what the settlement was, but we can be sure it was expensive!

As to Greed and Avarice, I don't think you can even begin to list the people and things destroyed by them, and also the things built by them. I'm afraid they're the primary engines of civilization. What can we do?

[Pettytyrant101]

We can be very crabbit about it of course!

[David H]

We can be very crabbit about it of course!

Well yes, of course. That goes with out saying. I meant what besides that!

[Pettytyrant101]

What do you mean besides that? What else is there besides that?

Now if everyone got crabbit about all the things that deserve crabbitness (PJ in particular of course, just ahead of war and weapons of mass destruction and those sealed bags you cant ever open without the contents exploding all over the room) just thinl- crabbit people, in their billions, all over the world, all at once- then things might get sorted out!

[Elthir]

... and those sealed bags you cant ever open without the contents exploding all over the room

And it's quite annoying when it's food contents too, as you lose half the bag to any voracious floor imps. And some companies who make crisps (or chips, or whatever they are called) have tried to solve this by only filling up half the bag!

As I see things, half the bag is half the Baggins which is no true Baggins at all! So to those companies I say: down with Jackson!

Or something.

[Ally]

I think Petty is Fran Walsh.

[Eldorion]

Big spoilers from the LEGO sets. Quoting from TORn's article here (and again SPOILERS):

Spoiler:

[RA]

You either laugh or cry. Right?

[Eldorion]

I'm not even surprised that Tauriel and Legolas are involved in the spider scene any more -- although I had hoped otherwise -- but I'm baffled by the idea of Frodo being involved in the barrel escape. I hope that's just a mistake on the part of whoever did the write-up. FWIW, the picture looks like Bilbo.

[Pettytyrant101]