Re: More Hobbit pictures [2] SPOILER THREAD

by Tinuviel Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:28 am

GB!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know if you've shown up on other threads yet or something, but HI!!!! cheers

And on a separate note, the picture of the dwarves is the background of my phone Embarassed

by feanor 1999 Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:34 am

Ayup All...

Nope. Dont Like... Dont Like... Dont Like...

One of these days hopefully there will be *shrugs *

by Gandalf's Beard Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:16 pm

Tinuviel... Very Happy

Good to see you again. I'll be dropping in a bit more frequently now.

by **Orwell** Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:32 pm

And just when we I had got it into my head you was drownded for good! Mad

Typical wizard behaviour! Coming and going and then coming again when one least expects it and with just the one leg down me trousers! Rolling Eyes

by Gandalf's Beard Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:51 pm

by **Orwell** Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:02 am

by chris63 Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:50 am

by Eldorion Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:16 am

That can't be a real poster. Shocked

It's horrible.

by chris63 Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:16 am

by chris63 Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:17 am

Eldorion wrote:That can't be a real poster.

That goblin looks like an Ewok.

by Eldorion Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:20 am

TORn linked to this Amazon page selling copies of the hideous poster but I can't tell if it was put together by the official crew or not. *shudders*

Amazon link

by chris63 Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:23 am

by RA Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:30 am

That's really trippy. Wink

by chris63 Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:32 am

by Pettytyrant101 Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:08 pm

Is that an undead goblin at the top of that movie poster? Shocked

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by halfwise Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:47 pm

That last one should be titled "The White Council: an unexpected subplot".

by Pettytyrant101 Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:13 pm

I note there only appears to be four of them on the Council.
Its not so much a Council as a coffee morning.

by halfwise Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:20 pm

Brings up the question of who else should be on the council. Someone like Glorfindel, clearly, and Celeborn...and Radagast may not be in the same league but he lives right near Dol Goldur, so should be included. Anyone else? Would the White Council even include men or dwarves?

by Eldorion Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:23 pm

In the Appendices (I think) it's stated that the White Council consisted of the Istari and the most important of the Eldar. Radagast would be a member, although the Blue Wizards were presumably too far away. Glorfindel would almost certainly be in, as well as Cirdan. Other than that I'm not sure. I never got the impression that the Council was supposed to be particularly large.

by halfwise Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:27 pm

Wikepedia lists the head of the Rangers and Cirdan as being part of the first white council, as well as several of Elrond's advisors, but I don't remember seeing this either in LoTR appendices or in the Book of Lost [edit: Unfinished] Tales which is quoted as a reference. May go look it up and get back.

If I don't find it I may search under heading "The White Coffee Meeting".

by halfwise Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:38 pm

Nope, no hint of it. Wikipedia is blowing smoke.

by Eldorion Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:40 pm

Yeah, I generally like Wikipedia but I have no idea where they got that idea.

Also, the White Council of the Second Age and the White Council of the Third Age were pretty much separate entities even though they shared some members. The Second Age WC met only once as far as we know. The Third Age WC met periodically to discuss and coordinate their struggles against Sauron. It may have taken its name from the Second Age organization but that's about it.

by halfwise Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:43 pm

Let's refer to Jackson's version as "the White Coffee Break" and assume it comes from grabbing the likely actors who happened to be sitting around sipping some Joe when there was a delay in filming and something was needed to fill time.

by Eldorion Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:46 pm

I pulled out my trusty 50th Anniversary Edition and it's actually "the Wise" who are stated to be "the Istari and the chief Eldar" (in the entry for Third Age 1100 in the Tale of Years). The White Council was not formed until T.A. 2463. However, given that it met multiple times over hundreds of years and there is no mention of its membership changing I think we can assume that it was limited to Istari and Eldar.

halfwise wrote:Let's refer to Jackson's version as "the White Coffee Break" and assume it comes from grabbing the likely actors who happened to be sitting around sipping some Joe when there was a delay in filming and something was needed to fill time.

That sounds like a plan to me. Laughing

by Elthir Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:14 pm

In Unfinished Tales it is only mentioned that 'the first Council was held' after Sauron was routed from Eriador, routed with help from Numenorean forces.

Christopher Tolkien notes that his father emended this to read 'the first White Council' but as posted here already, in The Tale of Years the formation of the White Council is noted under year 2463 of the Third Age. Christopher Tolkien speculates about a possible element of continuity here, but this text 'Concerning Galadriel and Celeborn' was never published by Tolkien himself in any case, and in my opinion arguably contains a number of problematic or 'to be revised' ideas.

I also don't recall any mention of Rangers on the White Council, anyway.