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Post by Norc Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:11 pm

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Post by Gandalf's Beard Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:17 pm

PS: The whole sorry mess just makes me really angry. The writers deliberately teased us both with Rose and Amy. I still contend your case is mostly circumstantial; there are alternate explanations for what you presented and the writers definitely went out of their to at the very least strongly imply a romantic affair with Amy.

The writers wittingly played upon the emotions of fans like me who were ready to finally see the Doctor do more than just pat a companion on the head. I don't like it when writers manipulate me like that.

If they had at least given River Song a persona I liked, I wouldn't have minded so much.

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Post by Gandalf's Beard Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:24 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:What exactly is it about River annoys you so much? Is it the performance? The character itself?
And I really think you arent giving poor Rory a fair shake of the stick -he has some brilliant scenes, particularly where he is calling the Doctor out such as in Vampires in Venice-

Rory:
You know what's dangerous about you? It's not that you make people take risks its that you make them want to impress you. You make it so they don't want to let you down. You have no idea how dangerous you make people to themselves when you're around.

Or the briliant scene between them at the end of a The Girl Who Waited-

The Doctor: I'm sorry.
Rory: What are you doing?
The Doctor: I lied to her, Rory. There can never be two Amys in the TARDIS. The paradox would be too massive.
Rory: You can't leave her, she'll die!
The Doctor: No, she'll never have existed. When we save our Amy this future won't have happened.
Rory: She happened! She's there!
Future Amy: I trusted you!
The Doctor: No, she's not real.
Rory: She is real. Let her in.
The Doctor: Look, we keep this Amy, we leave ours. There can only be one Amy in the TARDIS. Which one do you want?! {he puts Rory's hand on the lock} Your choice.
Rory: This isn't fair. You're turning me into you.

There is so much development and growth in Rory over the course of his time on the Tardis- more so than any other Who companion I can think of.

River doesn't annoy me so much. I just find her character unappealing. Her performance is fine.

I have a visceral dislike for Rory. Again, he made a bad impression on me from the start and it is a combination that turned me off: the character as written, the retread and revision of the Rose/Mickey story, his performance, and finally, the idiotic expressions on his face.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:33 pm

I think the problem here is misinterpretation GB when it comes to the Doctor's motives and feelings in the triangle you mention. Which does exist, it just doesnt work the way you say.
His response is not that of a suitor waiting to see which she will choose- her attention in that way makes him uncomfortable.
The best example of this in The Impossible Astronoaut/Day of the Moon when Amy is captured but they can still hear her- and she talks in such a way that it is open to interpretation if it is Rory or the Doctor she is talking about.
Watch the Doctor carefully in every scene where Amy shows she might be thinking of him as a rival to Rory- it just makes him feel uncomfortable, awkward. Reminds me a bit of Aragorn and Eowyn actually.



Regards Rory- I cant do much about your view of his idiotic face, or your dislike of his perfomrance- I find him hugely likeable as boith a character and a perfomer in it, so obvious I like him as written- on that we shall just have to differ.
However your assertaion that its a 'retread and revision of the Rose/Mickey story' couldnt be more wrong if it was written in firey lettters beneath a sign so big it blotted out the sun and which read- 'This is so wrong!'
It is the antithesis of the Rose/Mickey story!

I liked River the more it went on, her final position with her releationship between the Doctor and her parents worked brilliantly for me and I love the little scenes and glimpses we got of her and Amy together, having a bond and sipping wine together in the back garden. I thought the character matured over the series and she became less an enigma and more someone we knew.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:49 pm

In defense of the Rory! cheers







Right buckie time- see you all again about kicking out time- by which hour I shall be drunk and crabbit enough to deal finally with any of your remaining paltry arguments GB Twisted Evil drunken

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Post by Norc Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:01 pm

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Post by Norc Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:07 pm

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Post by Gandalf's Beard Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:10 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:I think the problem here is misinterpretation GB when it comes to the Doctor's motives and feelings in the triangle you mention. Which does exist, it just doesnt work the way you say.
His response is not that of a suitor waiting to see which she will choose- her attention in that way makes him uncomfortable.
The best example of this in The Impossible Astronoaut/Day of the Moon when Amy is captured but they can still hear her- and she talks in such a way that it is open to interpretation if it is Rory or the Doctor she is talking about.
Watch the Doctor carefully in every scene where Amy shows she might be thinking of him as a rival to Rory- it just makes him feel uncomfortable, awkward. Reminds me a bit of Aragorn and Eowyn actually.



Regards Rory- I cant do much about your view of his idiotic face, or your dislike of his perfomrance- I find him hugely likeable as boith a character and a perfomer in it, so obvious I like him as written- on that we shall just have to differ.
However your assertaion that its a 'retread and revision of the Rose/Mickey story' couldnt be more wrong if it was written in firey lettters beneath a sign so big it blotted out the sun and which read- 'This is so wrong!'
It is the antithesis of the Rose/Mickey story!

I liked River the more it went on, her final position with her releationship between the Doctor and her parents worked brilliantly for me and I love the little scenes and glimpses we got of her and Amy together, having a bond and sipping wine together in the back garden. I thought the character matured over the series and she became less an enigma and more someone we knew.

The scene of the doctor's discomfort is ambiguous. It could support either of our interpretations. Obviously the story arc as it played out indicates the writers intended for both interpretations to have some validity until the end of the cycle--at which point your interpretation clearly becomes the one chosen by the writers. But before that point it's up for grabs (sort of like Quantum Physics).


As to Amy/Rory, if we can't agree on Rory (and why should we, it's strictly subjective), then I doubt we'll be able to entirely agree whether the story is a revision of the Rose/Mickey story or not. How I feel about Rory is exactly how I felt about Mickey, so it seemed very similar to me.

Maybe I would get to like River Song someday. I don't hate her like I hate Rory. But I've been thoroughly put off the show for the near future and I haven't seen the episodes you describe. I'll probably watch them someday, but for now it just makes my stomach churn. I can't believe it myself that after 40 years of Dr Who fandom I've been thrown for a loop. But messing with my expectations has been just too much to bear.


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Post by Gandalf's Beard Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:11 pm

I can't even bring myself to watch any more clips of Rory. The last one almost made me throw up.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:28 pm

Exactly how much have you watched GB? Are you judging a book by its cover here Question

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:48 pm

'An Australian politician has started a campaign for Doctor Who to film an episode in Australia. Federal Nationals Party MP George Christensen has launched a campaign to bring the program here in 2015 to coincide with the 50th anniversary of Doctor Who's first Australian screening in 1965. The Queensland based MP wants the program filmed in his coastal electorate and suggests that bringing the show down under could help stimulate Australia's film and tourism industry.
"As an avid Doctor Who fan, I would love to see the TARDIS materialise in Australia and, most importantly, it would be a tremendous boost to tourism in Bowen and the Whitsundays, as well as to the local economy," Mr Christensen said.
In a letter to Steven Moffat, he said Doctor Who was inextricably linked to Australia because the very first episode, An Unearthly Child, was written by Australian Anthony Coburn.
He also pointed out that two of the Doctor's former companions, Tegan Jovanka and Jo Grant, were played by Australians Janet Fielding and Katy Manning - Gallifrey Base


Well, get campaigning Orwell!

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:40 pm

'Doctor Who dominated the listings for the BBC iPlayer for September, with over 8 million accessing the programme at some point during the month.
Top of the list was the series opener, which has been available for almost the entire month, Asylum of the Daleks with over 2.2 million requests. It was by far the most requested programme on the iPlayer for September.
The next three episodes, availble for fewer days, took the next three places in the chart with Dinosaurs on a Spaceship having 1.8 million requests, A Town Called Mercy having 1.4 million requests and The Power Of Three having 1.3 million accessing the episode.
The highest rated non Doctor Who programme was Citizen Khan, which has less than half of the requests for Asylum of the Daleks with just over 1.0 million accessing the programme.
The last Doctor Who episode before the mid-series break, The Angels Take Manhattan, was 7th in the list, with 0.92 million requests, despite only being available for the last 28 hours of the month.- Gallifrey Base


ps if you have ever wondered why old Whovians are obssessed with viewing figures and ratings (and we are) its becuase those were the reasons used aganst the show by the BBC when they wanted rid of it. It has made Whovians more than a little twitchy about viweing figures (some of the biggest arguments that I have seen flare up on Gallifrey Base are not over the shows content but over interpreting its viewing figures).

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:21 pm

Hankys at the ready again. Crying or Very sad
The excellent LittleBlueBox breaks my crabbit ole heart again (spoilers for everything)-


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Post by Pettytyrant101 Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:23 pm

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Depends what you count really.

Spoiler:

I think thats them all.

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Post by Norc Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:06 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:Hankys at the ready again. Crying or Very sad
The excellent LittleBlueBox breaks my crabbit ole heart again (spoilers for everything)-


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Post by Norc Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:10 pm

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Depends what you count really.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:43 pm

The Doctor Who Fan Orchestra is back- this time with The Impossible Astronaut Suite- enjoy.


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Post by Amarië Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:19 pm

Where is Figgy?! We're on the Amy seasons now. Would prefer to jump to the newest episodes, but Finrod wants to see them all.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:32 am

She is on Bree, having a break from here I guess.

Ha you edited your post- I'm not that volatile about Amy you know! Wink

I've noticed an interesting trend regarding Amy/Karen on the Who forums.
Her debut season, 5, the voices of your opinion of her and Mrs Figgs were loud, clear and strident.
By series 6 this had lessened, but only a bit- she was a very devisive character/performer- but by series 7 almost nothing.
A classic example I think of winning people over.
When she started out in Who Karen had done modelling, bits parts in a sketch show almost no one watched and a web drama thing-that was about it- certainly the Karen who acts in the Girl who Waited is a more confident performer than the one in 11th Hour.
I liked the character from the start of course but I appreciate others did not- but perhaps given the run at the episodes in order Finrod (and even yourself) may come to shed a tear for her by the end.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Mon Oct 08, 2012 3:24 pm

The Story of the Pondsfrom the beginning set to the Beatles! cheers What more could you want? (Contains major spoilers for series 5-7)



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Post by Pettytyrant101 Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:36 pm

The final part of the fan made reimagining of the 2nd Doctor 'lost story' Power of the Daleks is out.
I can wholeheartedly recommend it.


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Post by Amarië Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:52 am

Pettytyrant101 wrote:

Ha you edited your post- I'm not that volatile about Amy you know! Wink

I've noticed an interesting trend regarding Amy/Karen on the Who forums.
Her debut season, 5, the voices of your opinion of her and Mrs Figgs were loud, clear and strident.
By series 6 this had lessened, but only a bit- she was a very devisive character/performer- but by series 7 almost nothing.
A classic example I think of winning people over.
When she started out in Who Karen had done modelling, bits parts in a sketch show almost no one watched and a web drama thing-that was about it- certainly the Karen who acts in the Girl who Waited is a more confident performer than the one in 11th Hour.
I liked the character from the start of course but I appreciate others did not- but perhaps given the run at the episodes in order Finrod (and even yourself) may come to shed a tear for her by the end.

You just called us strident, so you just proved that you are. And what is the point in mentioning all we have already mentioned and explained for a third time? It's not a trend, we just can't be bothered to repeat something when you are convinced we are just being bitches, and I don't feel too good about talking ill about people in public like this.

I was watching an Amy-ep while typing, so I thought I'd be nice and give her a yet another chance. So I edited the post. I do try to give her a chance each time she's on. And I am prepared to cry in the end, I just might. I have a feeling it may be for the Doctor, but who knows? If it wasn't for an interesting story and script she'd blend in the background. And honestly, I cringed when I was reminded that there were two seasons of Amy.

I think though that the past companions might not fit with Smith's character, since his doctor is so different from the other doctors. They were Tennant and Eccy companions and glowed brilliantly together with their doctor. Matt is on fire, Amy's a bit of a yawn and I don't believe a thing she does or says. I suppose it sort of evens out.

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Post by Norc Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:43 pm

I JUST REALIZED THE DOCTOR DIDN’T BREAK RIVER’S WRIST THE THING HE BROKE WAS HIS PROMISE TO BRIAN
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:57 pm

I wasnt calling you strident Amarie- you have misundertood me- I was saying Who forums were loud clear and strident but they were ehoing the feeings you and mrs Figg have mentioned- I apoligise if it seemed otherwise- I was thinking of some of the louder voice on Gallifrey base when I wrote stridet not you or anyone here

And I have no idea where you get I think you are bitches I have never said that- I'm rather shocked and taken aback by that I have to say Sad

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Post by Amarië Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:44 pm

Oh those bitches yonder. alien Don't know a thing about them, but I am sure there are worse enemies of Amy than Figgy and me.

The bitchy thing was was back in the old snottybitchy-something-face debate, which we went through twice. I'm glad we don't have to go through that again. Nod

Unrelated, sort of: I suddenly started to wonder how Amy would appear like if she was with the previous doctors.

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