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At least you aren't criticizing Amy Pond, GB. Last time someone did that the resulting crabbit meltdown almost destroyed half the forum!

I couldn't stand Rory the minute I laid eyes on him for reasons already stated.

And there is nothing at all refreshing about repeating the tired 40 year old routine of chaste companionship.

The Doctor's relationship with Rose--as short as it was--THAT was refreshing. But they brutally cut it short before anything could really happen.

Of course he's older than Rose (and Amy) He's bloody 900 years old as you so gleefully point out. Who else is he going to hang out with? Wrinkly old geezers? I don't THINK so.

I'm not asking for the Dr to be married off. I'd just like to see the Dr actually have a jolly nice affair for a coupe of seasons. Amy and Rose were perfect for that role (none of the others--not even Donna Noble--inspired a flicker in the old ticker[s] like Rose and Amy did.

It was plainly obvious the Dr loved Amy Pond.

As to River Song, I've never particularly cared for her. She's alright as an occasional character, but she and the Doctor have no chemistry at all. Which really undermines the writers' credibility in positing some sort of Future Marriage working out backwards through time.

Eldorion wrote:At least you aren't criticizing Amy Pond, GB. Last time someone did that the resulting crabbit meltdown almost destroyed half the forum!

Meltdown eh!? I'll go freakin' Supernova if anyone disses Amy Pond.

He's as big an idiot as Rose's idiot boyfriend- GB

Thats your reason? Its not very good GB- I mean Mickey is a pathetic charcater- Rory develops and grows, from the the bumbling nurse to the Last Centurion. I honestly dont even see how the tow characters aare even comparable.

And there is nothing at all refreshing about repeating the tired 40 year old routine of chaste companionship.- GB

There is after Rose and Martha both going through the same dull routine. River is much more his equal- she is a part daughter of the Tardis and she time travels and she is part Time-Lord- that at least is someone he can relate to- not some 20 year old chav.

It was plainly obvious the Dr loved Amy Pond.- GB

I have never understood where you got this impression- there is nothing in the episodes to back it up- in fact the opposite- and he met her when she was about 6!

she and the Doctor have no chemistry at all.- GB

That I suppose is a matter of opinion- I do think they have exellent chemistry together.

GB. I don't know where you've placed your hat, you're absolutely wrong. Rory is the best companion ever.

GB how can you even put this man;



in the same sentence as Mickey is beyond me.

Pettytyrant101 wrote:He's as big an idiot as Rose's idiot boyfriend- GB

Thats your reason? Its not very good GB- I mean Mickey is a pathetic charcater- Rory develops and grows, from the the bumbling nurse to the Last Centurion. I honestly dont even see how the tow characters aare even comparable.

And there is nothing at all refreshing about repeating the tired 40 year old routine of chaste companionship.- GB

There is after Rose and Martha both going through the same dull routine. River is much more his equal- she is a part daughter of the Tardis and she time travels and she is part Time-Lord- that at least is someone he can relate to- not some 20 year old chav.

It was plainly obvious the Dr loved Amy Pond.- GB

I have never understood where you got this impression- there is nothing in the episodes to back it up- in fact the opposite- and he met her when she was about 6!

she and the Doctor have no chemistry at all.- GB

That I suppose is a matter of opinion- I do think they have exellent chemistry together.

Rory's growth seemed superficial. Probably as much the actor's fault as the director's. He couldn't pull of intelligent and interesting nearly as well as he pulled of goofy idiocy. What can I say? First Impressions sucked and he did nothing to convince me that he had improved considerably from his first appearance.

There are NUMEROUS episodes in which the Doctor is VERY OBVIOUSLY JEALOUS of Rory.

The relationship with Rose was ONLY CHASTE BECAUSE THE WRITERS FUCKED IT UP! WHY DO YOU THINK I'M SO PISSED??? It was the FIRST TIME the Doctor had ever had ANY sort of intimate female companionship, even though he never had a chance to consummate the affair. And then they DID IT AGAIN!!!

And it doesn't bloody matter that he met Amy when she was 6. He's Bloody 900 years old. Everyone is a baby compared to the Doctor. He didn't display any amorous feelings until Amy was an adult though. He's not a Bloomin' Paedophile.

I just don't really like the actress that plays River Song, and I'm not fond of the Tragic Romance angle with her either. I don't absolutely hate her like I do Rory though.

Norc wrote:GB. I don't know where you've placed your hat, you're absolutely wrong. Rory is the best companion ever.

You are welcome to your opinion but you are higher than a kite.

... Petty you take this one.

Pettytyrant101 wrote:GB how can you even put this man;



in the same sentence as Mickey is beyond me.

Entirely unconvincing.

He couldn't act his way out of a wet paper bag.

you. you.. are you serious?

Norc wrote:you. you.. are you serious?

I think we all went through this phase with GB while getting to know him.

{{{And it's why we love him, }}}

Norc wrote:... Petty you take this one.

Tag Team? Bring it on!!!


Actually, I've about worn myself out on this now. Not much more to add really.

Running away when he's slipping, typical GB!

{{{}}}

Norc wrote:you. you.. are you serious?

Absolutely.

...

Eldorion wrote:Running away when he's slipping, typical GB!

{{{}}}

If you can think of more ways for me to express my hatred of Rory, I'm open to suggestions.

I think GB your problem is neither with performances or writing- its that they didnt tell the story you wanted to see.

For me you seem to have missed the entire point of the Mofat run so far just becuase it wasnt what you wanted to happen.

Your view the Doctor has the hots for Amy is clearly misguided- if you can give me exmples of the Doctors jealousy of Rory as a 'love rival' then fine- but you wont be able to as they dont exist- the Doctor is uncomfortable with Amy's sexual nature, hes is uncomfortable with that sort of stuff at the best of times as shown in a Good Man Goes to War when the qustion of when River was conceived comes up:

Madame Vastra: Which leads me to ask when did it happen?
The Doctor: When?!
Madame Vastra: I am trying to be delicate. I know how you can blush. {Dorium laughs} When did this baby... begin?
The Doctor: Oh you mean...
Madame Vastra: Quite.
The Doctor: Well how would I know? That's all human and private stuff. It just sort of goes on, they don't put up a balloon or anything!

Time Lords dont reprodcuce by sex so its hardly suprising he doesnt have much of a libido.
Amy has always loved Rory- she just didnt realise how much unitl the episode Amy's Choice- before that there is tension between the Doctor and Rory over Amy but only because Rory sees the Doctor as the threat not the Doctor seeing Rory as one and because Amy seems to be undecided on who she wants to pursue- it is the Doctor who goes and gets Rory as a direct result of Amy trying to have sex with him. Not the act of someone who wants to have Amy to himself is it?

The Doctor's interest in older Amy is because she is an anomaly - he says so later when he finally tells her the truth in the Pandorica Opens;

Doctor: You asked me why I was taking you with me and I said, "no reason".
Amy: Its not important.
The Doctor:
Yeah, it's the most important thing left in the Universe. It's why I'm doing this. Amy, your house is too big. That big, empty house, just you.
Amy: And Aunt Sharon.
The Doctor: Where were your mum and dad? Where was everybody who lived in that big house?
Amy: I lost my mum and dad.
The Doctor: How? What happened to them? Where did they go?
Amy: I— I don't...
The Doctor: It's okay, it's okay. Don't panic. It's not your fault.
Amy: I don't even remember.
The Doctor: There's a crack in time in the wall of your bedroom. And it's been eating away at your life for a long time now. Amy Pond. All alone. The Girl Who Didn't Make Sense. How could I resist?

The Doctor never had any romantic interest in Amy. Ever.

Bollox Petty!!!

I've stated my views and my reasoning. You are correct that I didn't like the direction the show was going, but I said as much myself. You'll just have to take me at my word for why I hate Rory though. It's the Truth.

As for the rest of your post, the evidence you present is thin and circumstantial at best. His affair with Rose demonstrates the fallacy of your argument. You would have to be bloody blind not to see the tension of the Doctor/Pond/Rory Love Triangle (reminded me of bloody Twilight ).

DOCTOR WHO IS NOT BLOODY TWILIGHT!

One of the reasons I dislike the Rose thing so much is it shouldnt ever have happened- for all the reasons I give above. One of the mainy factors for which I prefer Moffat to RTD is he knows his classic Who in a way RTD never did.
The Doctor falling in love with a companion would NEVER have happened in the Classic era and didnt. Its wrong.
Basically RTD and Moffat were faced with a similar problem- how to introduce a love interest to the Doctor for a modern audience.
RTD's solution- just have him fall for a companion is poor, contradicts Time Lord lore and everything we have ever known about the Doctors releationships in Classic Who.
I much prefer Moffats solution which is imaginiative, moving and gives the Doctor a much more likely and suitable partner than Rose ever was.

I never addressed the Rory issue in my last post just the Amy one- and there are a ton more quotes where those come from supporting the argument I have put forward.
You so far have offered nothing more substanial than a loud opinion GB.

However there is at least one thing I feel we can agree on- that any excuse to post this-



or this



is a good excuse.

Further evidence the Doctor is both not interested in sex with Amy and that his choice of companions is open to wrongful interpretation- as you seem to be doing.
This scene takes place immediately after Amy tries to seduce the Doctor and he decides to go get Rory.

If I actually liked River Song as much as Amy, we wouldn't even be arguing (except about Rory).

What exactly is it about River annoys you so much? Is it the performance? The character itself?
And I really think you arent giving poor Rory a fair shake of the stick -he has some brilliant scenes, particularly where he is calling the Doctor out such as in Vampires in Venice-

Rory:
You know what's dangerous about you? It's not that you make people take risks its that you make them want to impress you. You make it so they don't want to let you down. You have no idea how dangerous you make people to themselves when you're around.

Or the briliant scene between them at the end of a The Girl Who Waited-

The Doctor: I'm sorry.
Rory: What are you doing?
The Doctor: I lied to her, Rory. There can never be two Amys in the TARDIS. The paradox would be too massive.
Rory: You can't leave her, she'll die!
The Doctor: No, she'll never have existed. When we save our Amy this future won't have happened.
Rory: She happened! She's there!
Future Amy: I trusted you!
The Doctor: No, she's not real.
Rory: She is real. Let her in.
The Doctor: Look, we keep this Amy, we leave ours. There can only be one Amy in the TARDIS. Which one do you want?! {he puts Rory's hand on the lock} Your choice.
Rory: This isn't fair. You're turning me into you.

There is so much development and growth in Rory over the course of his time on the Tardis- more so than any other Who companion I can think of.