Re: Countdown to Release | SPOILER THREAD

[Mrs Figg]

thanx Eldo, (((((I may seek your help in controlling Orwell and his hormonal goggles, and strange freaks, he's started talking to himself you know?))))

[Pettytyrant101]

I'm not sure why you keep going back, to be honest-Eldo

I rarely do. I havent posted there in awhile before this latest encounter.
But it is a bt like having a wobbly tooth- you know if you probe it with your tongue it will probably hurt but its somehow impossible not to.

[Eldorion]

I'd say you should reprimand him, Mrs Figg, but he might like that coming from you!

[Mrs Figg]

I think I am going to have nightmares

[Eldorion]

I rarely do. I havent posted there in awhile before this latest encounter.
But it is a bt like having a wobbly tooth- you know if you probe it with your tongue it will probably hurt but its somehow impossible not to.

I know the feeling. No worries, your stories always amuse me. For my own part I try to avoid the stress but that's mainly because I'm not great with stress.

[Eldorion]

Orwell already gives me nightmares, so welcome to the club.

[Pettytyrant101]

Thats because you dont take crabbitness seriously enough Eldo- its a stress shock absorber- you cant be worried about things if youre yelling and raging at them!

[Eldorion]

That doesn't make any sense at all to me, but that may be because I'm not drunk.

[Ally]

This is a meme I quickly made showing how I see Eldo & Pettys relationship

[Pettytyrant101]

And thats another problem you need to address Eldo- sobriety. How can you expect to be stressfree and sober!?
Next time you see a drunk in a dumpster take a look in those bloodshot eyes - you'll see no stress there at all. And he's in a bloody dumpster.
That young Eldo is the power of buckie.

Ally

[Eldorion]

I absolutely love that! You're on a roll with comics/stories about me, lately.

[Mrs Figg]

[Eldorion]

Also, Ally's comics are encouraging me to change back to a Kyon avatar.

[Pettytyrant101]

A german websire for the official Hobbit figurines has a character breakdown- its in german so the following is a goggle translation, and not a great one at that- so if we have any German speakers a better english translation woul dbe greatyly appreciated.

http://www.sf-fan.de/aktuelle-meldungen/der-hobbit-ein-uberblick-uber-die-figuren.html

Bilbo Baggins
Like all hobbits Bilbo Baggins appreciates his comfortable life. It is equipped with a full pantry and a good book completely satisfied. When the wizard Gandalf shows up unexpectedly with 13 dwarves and asks him to accompany her on a dangerous adventure that will change Bilbo's life from scratch. He is initially skeptical, but because he is adventurous, he joins a group of Thorin Oakenshield and becomes the "master thief", they need to bring back a ferocious dragon to outwit and the stolen treasure of the dwarves. To everyone's surprise - including his own - to Bilbo turns out to be smarter and braver than the outward appearance would suggest.


GANDALF THE GREY
Gandalf is one of the most powerful wizard in Middle Earth. He participates in the mission to free the dwarf kingdom of Erebor and retrieve the vast treasure which is guarded there in stone halls of the fire-breathing dragon Smaug the Terrible. Gandalf the way evidence is that the world could be haunted by an ancient evil. To get to the truth of the matter, must leave his companions, Gandalf himself - his own path leads him into the darkest corners of Middle-earth, where he found his worst suspicions confirmed.


THORIN OAK PLATE
As a young prince dwarf Thorin has witnessed the terrible devastation that has brought a fire-breathing dragon on the dwarf kingdom of Erebor. No one stood in the surviving dwarves - so had the once proud and noble people go into exile. During the long years of misery Thorin into a strong, fearless fighter and revered leader is grown. In his heart grew, the burning desire to win back his homeland and destroy the beast, which is responsible for the plight of his people.


Balin
Balin is a noble dwarf and one of the oldest members in the dwarf host. By nature wise and gentle, he had to get used to a military life, as he hovered constantly in danger. As a close cousin of Thorin Oakenshield he is one of the closest and most trusted advisers. But deep in his heart to ask the wisest and most faithful of the dwarves, whether it is wise to try to reclaim the Lonely Mountain.


Dwalin
The famous warrior Dwalin not keep his opinions to himself. Anyone who tries to defeat it should be on guard. Unshakable, he believes in Thorin's leadership. The powerful, gruff warrior can dish it and tends to distrust of all non-dwarfs - primarily the same. He is proud, brave and one of the largest dwarf - he orders only someone with whom he respected.


FILI
Fili is from the royal line of Durin and grew under the watchful eye of his uncle to Thorin Oakenshield. Fili and Kili, the brothers are among the youngest in the group of dwarves. Fili is hardly traveled - yet he has never seen the legendary city of Erebor dwarf. For the experienced fighters is the trip to the Lonely Mountain an exciting adventure - he can not imagine the least of the challenges and dangers await him.


KILI
Kili is Filis younger brother and nephew of Thorin Oakenshield faithful. The careless and even reckless Kili has been a charmed, carefree life out. He looks good, has strong muscles and with the invincible courage of the youth is well prepared. A capable fighter and an excellent archer, he is familiar with since his early childhood weapons. As one of the youngest in the crowd will dwarf Kili distinguish themselves and make an impression.


Bofur
The sympathetic Bofur has to give the terrible habit of self-evident by themselves - he babbles off without thinking. Bofur appreciates music and has a good singing voice thrilled for good food and good company, above all, he remains optimistic in every situation. He is not particularly brave, but everybody comes to the rescue when it is needed - above all, he supported his friends. With his brother and cousin Bifur Bombur he accompanied the companions to lonely mountain, because he wants to make his fortune. He has also heard that there is free beer.


Bifur
Bifurcations is from the west, and carries the rusted remains of a orc ax in his forehead. Since he can not speak anymore, and sometimes he is ruthless! He communicates only through grunts and hand signals. Unlike the other dwarves in the crowd he is not related to Thorin and it also came not from a noble race, but is a descendant of miners and blacksmiths - ordinary people with simple needs.


Bombur
Bofurs brother and cousin Bifurs is the chef of the dwarf host. His huge size and its voracious appetite often bring problems with it - but the tour group as he can laugh at it heartily. Although he's fat, he proves to be surprisingly agile fighter - woe to those that keep him from his dinner!


Gloin
Of all the fellows in the Dwarf throng that heading out to the Lonely Mountain, is the loudest and Gloin starrsinnigste - fearless, he is questioning all authority. He rushes to light, but it is strong, courageous and loyal. Gloin is one of the few married dwarves in the group (in principle, there is a lack of female dwarfs). His wife is a famous beauty with a very fine beard. Gloin is the proud father of a young son named Gimli, who becomes one of the famous Ring-Fellowship.


OIN
This courageous dwarf from the north, like his brother, a distant cousin of Gloin Thorin Oakenshield. They are members of Thorin & Co., because they feel obligated to their relatives, and because they have invested a considerable sum of money into the company. Oin is very well read, likes to present questions, is the healer of the crowd and even used it up mixed ointments.


DORI
Dori is distantly related to Thorin Oakenshield and the elder brother of Nori and Ori. Dori is the strongest dwarf in the crowd, and spends most of her time taking care of Ori, the youngest, so that is not cold or killed by the Orcs and Wargs. He is an eternal pessimist and always prepared for the worst - yet he is always ready to risk his life at risk in order to fulfill its mission.


NORI
Of all the companions in dwarf Thorin Oakenshield crowd Nori is most difficult to classify. Again and again he comes into conflict with the authorities dwarf. Because he holds it necessary to leave his residence, he is now ready to join the ride to the Lonely Mountain, because he does not understand that the problems lie ahead of him are much more serious than that which he wants to escape. No one really knows what Nori leads up to, except that it is risky and probably illegal. Dori, Nori and Ori hold unswervingly faithful together. Among themselves they are fighting continually, but alas, if anyone should dare to inflict any harm to one of the brothers!


ORI
The younger brother of Dori and Nori is artistically gifted - often we see how he draws or writes in his diary. Ori wrote a large part of the chronicle of a journey through wild country to the shores of Long Lake and the slopes of Lone Mountain. Ori is polite, well educated and accustomed to being pushed around by his older brother Dori. Normally, he is docile, but sometimes he surprised his companions by his courage and his determination.


Radagast the Brown
Radagast is forgetful acts, scattered light and very eccentric. He talks a lot better with animals than with people. As a magician colleague and friend of Gandalf the Grey Radagast is one of the guardians of the great forests of Middle-earth. Often you meet him on his walks through the woods near his strange little house called Rhosgobel. The little magician senses impending doom, because not everything is as it should be in the dark corners of Mirkwood.


Saruman the White
The venerable and mighty Saruman, with four other magicians to the Guardians of Middle Earth that will help the world of order and balance. Above all, Saruman the fate of the free nations arranged according to his discretion. As head of the White Council, he fears with growing unease that Gandalf the Grey and Thorin Oakenshield could mess up his careful calculations companions. Saruman is indeed very old and wise out there, but according to its underlying weakness, and lusts for power - a greed that ultimately produce the most deadly of all Covenants.


ELROND
Elrond is one of the oldest and wisest Elves, who still live in Middle Earth. He is the Lord of Rivendell, the last homely house east of the Sea. Thorin & Co. maintained only briefly in Rivendell, Elrond offers but Bilbo and the dwarves and lodging. The dwarves have a natural aversion to the same, but the means to take a call. Elrond responded warily to the project while the dwarves to reclaim their stolen treasure, but he gives those secret information that Gandalf and Thorin need to reach the Lonely Mountain.


GALADRIEL
Galadriel is the oldest of the remaining elves in Middle-earth and has the gift of Providence. As the signs are increasing that Middle-earth threatens disaster, they secretly supported Gandalf in his mission to track down the cause of the problem. Galadriel is known of course that the Fellowship must succeed if the evil power can not win the upper hand and dominate the darkness does not want anything.


Thranduil
The mighty Elf-lord and legendary warrior Legolas Thranduil's father. As king, he rules over forest land to the north of a large forest area, once known as the Green Forest and now bears the ominous name of Mirkwood. During the long years of darkness Thranduil has increasingly isolated from the outside world - he cares only about his own people. An ancient, bitter feud has discharged meant that he basically rejects all dwarves - and especially a certain dwarf, namely Thorin Oakenshield.


Legolas
Legolas is the Prince of the forest land and a high empire same as his father Thranduil. However, you meet him often at the royal court - much rather he patrols the area with the forest guards of the same troops. The large narrow-savvy fighter is his father and his people, resulting in unconditional loyalty. But the events of the outside world behind now and in the isolated world of forest elves left their mark. Because he sees the disaster coming, Legolas faces the choice of either his father or his conscience to follow.


TAURIEL
A native of the Mirkwood Waldelbin is as dangerous as well. As a protégé of King Thranduil and commander of the Forest Land Protection Tauriel troops is very opinionated and passionate about representing what she thinks is right. The great warrior proved to be the use of her two daggers and bows and arrows. As Legolas in Tauriel turns in the battle to be extremely quick and agile. She has lived for hundreds of years in Middle-earth, but still one of the youngest of the same people, and has rarely ventured out of the great forest.


TROLLS
Tom, Bert and William are trolls who have settled in the Trollshaws and pillage everything and eat whatever they cross paths. As Thorin & Co. inadvertently disturb their evening meal, capture the trolls Bilbo and the dwarf band and make immediately began to process them to a banquet - they have no idea that Bilbo and his friends will hardly accept this without a fight.


ORK-KING
The Orc King is a huge, grotesquely bloated monster that is in the years of his tyrannical rule over the miserable inhabitants of the Orc town grown fat and flabby. The orc city is a collection of hovels askew deep in the caves of the Misty Mountains. He commanded a bunch of spoiled, contaminated, with scars and ulcers studded orcs. Basically, they are bandits, they live by what they can pick up the passengers on the passes through the mountains. It manages the Orc King and his followers, Bilbo and the dwarves to capture. The Großork is smarter and smarter than it seems. He takes pleasure in torturing his prisoners - it almost succeeds in making Oakenshield Thorin and his companions to finish off.


GRINNAH
Grinnah is the interrogator of the Orcs. He ensures that Thorin & Co. are brought before the Großork. He constantly wears a reinforced barbed whip and takes every opportunity to use it. Although cunning and vicious, he is like all Orcs basically a coward. Fawning and obsequious, he serves his master, the rich and moody Großork, but secretly he despised him.


Azog
It was said that the molester was Azog many years ago, fell in the great battle between the Orcs and the Dwarves. But now he appears at the top of a deadly horde of killer orcs again. For Gandalf begins a race against time because he has to figure out where the connection between the dangerous orc commander and the growing evil, which takes in the ruins of the fortress of Dol Guldur forms. One thing is abundantly clear: no one is deterred from his purpose Azog, Thorin Oakenshield destroyed to the last dwarf companions.


Fimbul
The most cruel orc Fimbul among Azogs champion hunters. He commanded a horde of warg riders who trace their victims in the saddle of their gigantic wolf beasts. Fimbul has taken up the scent of Thorin Oakenshield & Co. and will catch the dwarves before they reach the Lonely Mountain.


BLOG
Bolg is the offspring of Azog the Defiler - like his father, he is a paler giant orc. He is the overseer in the dungeons of Dol Guldur - torture is his hobby. His armor he polychrome from the bones and the blood of his victims. This husky Orc has at nothing and no one fears - until he suddenly meets an unexpected opponent.


GOLLUM
Gollum was once a Hobbit-like creature named Smeagol - body and soul have been poisoned by a small, plain gold ring, which he hid in a cave düsternen the Misty Mountains. Gollum does not know what is going on with "his treasure" - but he realizes that he is more valuable than his life. After the chance encounter with a strange enemy Gollum realizes that he has lost "his treasure", and rightly concludes: The hobbit Bilbo Baggins of the Shire has stolen it. So begins the hunt over mountains and through deserts, take years and cost many lives, until this miserable creature, finally, the fate of Middle-earth holds in his hand.


Beorn
The giant Beorn is the last of the ancient people of the skin changer: He can transform into a huge bear-like creature. He lives alone, only tolerate the company of his beloved animals and appreciate any visitors - especially not dwarfs. Gandalf knows that they take the risk and Beorn companions have to ask for help, because otherwise they will survive their journey through wild country barely.


ADLER
The ancient Great Eagles of the Misty Mountains are huge birds of prey, which the prince Gwahir, Lord of the winds above,. The wild and dangerous animals are owed nothing to anyone. Just because they hold true to Gandalf, Bilbo and giant birds come to the aid of the dwarves in order to save the last minute from the clutches of a deadly enemy.


Wargs
The huge, fierce, wolf-like monsters are among the most fearsome predators in the whole of Middle-earth. The Orcs grow the Wargs to hunt in packs and often ride on their backs in the battle. The most dangerous of these beings is the White Warg, a giant wolf, the Azog the large, pale Orc riding the abuser.


GIANT SPIDERS of Mirkwood
In the course of many years, giant spiders in the once peaceful green forest and nestled helped that he got the weird name Mirkwood. It is believed that these creatures are the offspring of monstrous Krankra the Great. They feed on hapless travelers, the agreement in the forest from the right path. But the big catch as a dwarf spider in its web host, they suddenly get it with an unusual, unseen opponents do, its sting is even greater than her own!


If any of this is accurate I may have to look into that plane to NZ after all!
I dont know where to start- Azog brought back from the dead, Bolg works in Dol Guldur- pale orcs (are they all undead?!) and a fat grotesque for the goblin king.
Gollum leaving his cave! Goblins and wargs chasing them like they are Black Riders to stop them getting to the lonely mt!
Scarred and ulcered Orcs!
Tauriel is opinionated and passionate!!! Eru save us from misguided feminism!
Legolas faves a choice between his father and his conscience!! Oh fuck no!!
And I havent got to the dwarves yet! I need to go smash something up- where's PJ's grinning coupon when you need it?

[Eldorion]

[Pettytyrant101]

The horror! Oh the horror of it! PJ what have you done?!

[Eldorion]

I'm trying to wrap my mind around the resurrection of Azog (assuming this is true). I can understand how from PJ's perspective making the Orcs all lackeys of Sauron seems like a good idea, even if I think it's a terrible one. However, I cannot begin to fathom the thought process that led him to think that zombie Orcs from hundreds of years prior would be a good idea. It's not like Azog is a fan favorite character so it can't be pandering.

EDIT: Now that I've actually typed the phrase "zombie orcs" though ... maybe PJ is trying to cash in on the current zombie fad. I guess it could be pandering after all. Or maybe PJ just has a thing for zombies.

[Pettytyrant101]

Well given Bad Taste and the like I can assume he does.
But TH is not a zombie film!!

[Pettytyrant101]

Lore Check please!
Who was Old Gammidge? There is an actor cast as him.
I thought gammidge was a variant of Gamgee. No?

[Eldorion]

'Gammidge' was one of the variations that the Gamgee family name went through. Sam's family tree in the Appendices records a 'Hob Gammidge the Roper (Old Gammidgy)', born 1246 -- the same year as Bilbo's father and about 100 years before The Hobbit -- and with no death date. He presumably lived in Tighfield with most others of the Gammidge/Gamgee family from that generation. He was the Gaffer's grandfather and thus Sam's great-grandfather. The Gaffer already lived in Hobbiton at the time of The Hobbit, though he was quite young at the time.

[Eldorion]

On another note, there's now an official Twitter account for the movies (confirmed to be official by TORn) in case anyone gets their news that way.

http://twitter.com/TheHobbitMovie

[Pettytyrant101]

So who would be the Gammidge in TH films then? And why is he there at all?

[Eldorion]

My guess is that his role is a mentor figure of sorts to Bilbo (whose parents had both passed away by then) in the first scenes of the film. I could be wrong about that though: I'm not really sure what they're aiming for with the Shire scenes in general. The inclusion of Drogo Baggins still baffles me.

Regardless, I think it's safe to assume that in the movieverse Old Gammidgy will be a resident of Hobbiton rather than Tighfield.

[Pettytyrant101]

We dont need Bilbo's entire life story to know who he is at the start and what sort of person. What Tolkien lays out is perfectly clear- if he thought children could follow it why does PJ think adults cant without giving us all this made up crap!!

[Mrs Figg]

hey you have got a photo of an Italian ex Prime minister D'Alema, thats odd.

Tauriel opinionated. yucky!