Re: News from the set [2]

by halfwise Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:26 pm

Sorry to break in on the hate-fest, but didn't the trailer look cinematic enough? I'm totally talking out of my posterior here since I course haven't seen the clips under discussion, but the problem doesn't seem to be with the 48 fps or the 3D, as the reporter said the helicopter shots looked fantastic. I think it's the lighting, which they will fix digitally, just as in LoTR. These are not amateurs we're talking about. If you've seen shots of the rushes in the extended edition appendices, it all looks cheesy at first.

It's the other things that we need to worry about, starting with that dratted ax-head.

by Pettytyrant101 Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:43 pm

I am not bothered yet about the look- they will sort it or not, I think not. There was some interesting comments on one of those pages from people that seemed to know about cameras and film, and the reason is looks like a sharp version of a BBC1970's production is because the result is similar to the sort of cameras the BBC were using then- so its probably not a coincidence two reviewers got that specific impression- nor am I sure that it is somethng which can be 'fixed' as it seems to be an inherent property or shooting this way.

My main gripes are with the content described which sounds horrific.

by Mrs Figg Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:45 pm

I think these guys they invited to the screening would be 'experts too, they are probably chosen from film critics that know all about the differences between production and post production values. I think from what I gather its fundamentally going to not look cinematic on purpose, it will probably look more like a war documentary with hyper real and video like effects, that weird grainy warts and all effect we have seen on some new films, on Bourne Identity its great, on the Hobbit it sucks eels in the hot place.
That critic said he was continually drawn OUT of the story and could not immerse into it, thats f-ing bad news for a fantasy film.

ooo sorry for all the f-ings, but it really got my goat this did. Mad

by Eldorion Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:46 pm

Well the footage was unfinished and I'm sure that it will look better after post-production. However, I'm pretty sure the trailer was in 24 fps, so we can't really use that as a comparison for visual quality.

I'm still more concerned about the apparent content of the scenes, anyway. Razz

by Ringdrotten Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:22 pm

Maybe they're trying to keep some of the children's story aspect of it after all? I haven't read or seen the latest news myself, and I don't think I will, now that I've seen your reactions. In fact, I will try not to watch or read too much about the film before it hits the theatres, as it seems all news is bad news recently Sofa

by Lancebloke Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:36 pm

The problem here ia that this is likely to be a huge success just based purely on the LotR films. That means it is likely we will see this kind of film making trend continue for a while until, like dodgy 3d, people get fed up of it looking shit and stop going.

I hope PJ and co take some feedback from these people they invited and do something about it if it really is that bad and it really is the look they are going for. So far, 3d has sucked... lets not make everything suck!!

by Mrs Figg Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:51 pm

3D is crap and it gives me nosebleeds. The only good film I have seen in 3D was Tim burtons Alice, now that was fantastic, really beautiful and lent itself perfectly to 3D effects being about a Wonderland and all that weirdness, the Cheshire Cat effects were brilliant, really made me happy and going oooooh! kind of thing.
On the other hand the Deathly hallows was so dark and dingy in 3d you could hardly see anything and the effects seemed stuck on as an after thought, and you really noticed them, I was kind of sitting there waiting for the effects instead of watching the film, not that I missed much it was so boring. Shocked

by halfwise Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:55 pm

Unless there's a strong reason for 3D it should be avoided.

by chris63 Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:12 am

Mrs Figg wrote:Im gonna need em!

I would be interested to know if Chris or someone could dig out any positive reviews about the screening, just to get a balanced view, before I smash my I PJ mug

Already posted this one, but only positive one i could find.

http://movies.about.com/b/2012/04/24/hobbit-footage-screened.htm

by Tinuviel Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:35 am

I never liked the look of it, ever since the trailer. I know that that was 24 fps, but everything still looked fake to me. Too fake. One of the best parts of the LOTR films is the realism of it all! Everything looked so real even though it was CGI, and the trailer for the Hobbit looks more generated than something made a decade ago! COME ON PJ!!!!!!!!

:facepalm:

Huan? I think it's time you visited your hound buddies in New Zealand...

by **Orwell** Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:45 am

Oh Gawd oh Gawd oh Gawd... PJ thinks Tom Bombadil and the Barrow-wights fit better in the Hobbbit than in The Lord of the Rings... oh Gawd oh Gawd oh Gawd oh Gawd... Sad

by Mrs Figg Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:52 pm

I dont want to feel I am actually there, I just want the beautiful painterly aesthetics of LOTR, I want to be emerged into Tolkiens magical world not a war docu, I have lost all interest in this film, its starting to bug me.

Thanks Chris, that chick didnt seem to give any worthwhile information, I think the other articles you posted were probably nearer the mark. Mad

by halfwise Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:37 pm

True to form, TORN did not post any of the reviews, just referred to a live chat session with their reporter which seems not to have been recorded! Laughing

by halfwise Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:03 pm

Breeland news feed of course is also deafeningly silent.

by Pettytyrant101 Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:19 pm

The awfulness of this makes me want to weep- this is from the screened footage-

Spoiler:

by Eldorion Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:26 pm

halfwise wrote:True to form, TORN did not post any of the reviews, just referred to a live chat session with their reporter which seems not to have been recorded!

My favorite part of TORn's non-response was their summary of the footage:

But what about the tidbits that were revealed in the 10 minutes of footage?…

The White Council featuring Saruman, Gandalf, Galadriel and Elrond.
Riddles in the Dark with Smeagol and Bilbo
The Trolls – Tom, Bert and Bill – all with dialogue!
Gandalf in Dol Guldur with Thrain
Legolas and Tauriel in an action sequence and a tense threat to Thorin!
Radagast the Brown in a bit of comedic glory
more…

Oh TORn, you try so hard to make PJ look good. Laughing

by Mrs Figg Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:35 pm

so glad they banned me, I would have been insulted if they hadnt. Suspect

by Tinuviel Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:48 pm

well, on the brightside, at least the trolls talk Shrugging

by halfwise Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:03 pm

We should have a contest: best imagined version of troll conversation in the PJ universe.

by Pettytyrant101 Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:13 pm

I dont think we are getting talking trolls as they are in the book, I reckon are ToRN are masking the truth here- the impression I get is of trolls a few sylabbles up the chain from grunting. And that it becomes a big fight is despretely predictable. No popping of dwarves in sacks- and what about Biblo saying to the kids the Trolls were arguing over them and what best way to cook them? Will that be retained if its a big fight?

by Eldorion Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:41 pm

You're not expecting continuity, are you? Suspect

by chris63 Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:38 am

Bard gets about.

http://www.entertainmentwise.com/photos/74466/1/Luke-Evans-Brushes-Off-Hobbit-Controversy-Its-Crazy

by Eldorion Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:48 am

This just in: person involved with a project tries to downplay criticism of said project. Fanboys everywhere in shock.

by chris63 Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:00 am

Audio

http://hw.libsyn.com/p/f/9/d/f9d9cb51acaa651d/STH046.mp3?sid=50ded6558d6692f7945c43d606ec3884&l_sid=20000&l_eid=&l_mid=2989032&expiration=1335492800&hwt=19f20a

by **Orwell** Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:43 am

Pettytyrant101 wrote:I dont think we are getting talking trolls as they are in the book, I reckon are ToRN are masking the truth here- the impression I get is of trolls a few sylabbles up the chain from grunting. And that it becomes a big fight is despretely predictable. No popping of dwarves in sacks- and what about Biblo saying to the kids the Trolls were arguing over them and what best way to cook them? Will that be retained if its a big fight?