Re: The Bigger, Badder, Even More Serious Thread

[Pettytyrant101]

{{ Lance I mentioned eslewhere most folk have perfect sympathy for wanting out the Royal lifestyle and to just live normal life raise their kids, but they wanted out yet all they are doing is trading off being royals by telling tales true or otherwise about their own families publicly. Thats low no matter who you are.
If they just got out, left being royal, disappeared off the public radar and got on with their lives minus using their royal links then folk wouldnt be annoyed by their antics.

Halfy - yeah Royal policy is to never respond directly to newpaper claims, never deny nor confirm anything. On the otherhand some papers will get favourable inside information in return for a certain amount of privacy in other areas.}}

[Pettytyrant101]

{{ Happy Womans Day to the Ladies of Forumshire!!!    Congratulations on having complicated plumbing, too many hormones and still not killing anyone!   Well done ladies!    (That is what we're celebrating isnt it?   ) }}

[Lancebloke]

{{ Lance I mentioned eslewhere most folk have perfect sympathy for wanting out the Royal lifestyle and to just live normal life raise their kids, but they wanted out yet all they are doing is trading off being royals by telling tales true or otherwise about their own families publicly. Thats low no matter who you are.
If they just got out, left being royal, disappeared off the public radar and got on with their lives minus using their royal links then folk wouldnt be annoyed by their antics.}}

But they can't really just live life out of the public eye. I think we have seen plenty of that were the media hounds people and that is when they are celebrities in their own right, not connected to a family of them and therefore consistently in the news.

Also, the tabloids have continued to be the bunch of low life's that they are and print stories often without any factual basis. Of all the people on here I would expect you (I say that as you are very vocal and opinionated) wouldn't take that yourself without a chance to give your side of the story, especially if it resulted in the kind of hate people give them when a big chunk of it may be paper selling click bait and no fact.

[Mrs Figg]

This is what i would say to Harry.

Its very simple, don't read the tabloids, don't go on social media, stay dignified and silent about your personal problems because its nobody's business, and nobody cares. Don't spew your guts out in Hollywood because you know they will love everything you do, and its easy. Stop whining, you are millionaires and can afford absolute privacy, don't trade on the royal connections if you have no intention of putting in the hard graft,, don't cut off your family just because its convenient for your wife to cultivate victimhood, sort the massive chip on your shoulder about your mum, and grow up.

[Pettytyrant101]

{{ Lance I am in no way siding with our tabloids, they are absolute scum gutter press. My point was that they didnt write negative stuff about Megan because of her skin colour but because they are scum gutter press. They treated her no differently to any other celeb and especially other Royals. Charles, Camilla, Diana, they have all been destroyed in tabloids at some point. Colour isnt the issue. That our press trades on gossip, scandal and revealing the private lives of people is.}}

[azriel]

My feelings on Harry & Megan are ---- shut the fuck up.
You left & wanted a calm & peaceful life --- so do it
you renounced the ultimate lifestyle for one of normality---- so live it
you denounced titles handed down by generation after generation to be a normal Mr & Mrs--- behave like it
You jacked it in of helping out the charities you said youde help--- Low, very low
They have lost, no, hang on, Harry is the English one here. He was brought up & tutored to a higher degree of dignity, an understanding of decorum, schooled to a high level of understanding & as soon as he takes Megan as a wife he slides with alarming speed into the American mentality. Harry is a loose canon. you do not stoke loose canons. They are both acting like spoilt brats. All the money thrown at them has now been thrown back in not just the Queens face but the British peoples face. How many people suffering today with their own horrors ? Mental Health is fighting to make others realise what a living hell it is & how far up the ladder does it get ? Everyone has mental health problems at least once in their life so thats a big chunk of the population, we all know it exists but not enough to contain, control or cure it, as many of the over doses & suicides would tell you ( if they could ) Nurses who have just worked their guts out for us over covid are offered what in pay rise ? barely enough to buy a bag of tea & a packet of biscuits. Oh yes, times are moving forward & we are a modern race arent we. But above it all if we are to have a Monarchy they should be the ray of light in lifes shit storms. Its they that pour oil on troubled waters, making us feel better, confident & hopeful for better things. Other Monarchies in other countries have achieved this. But these 2 ? they are well suited for each other just a shame that one of them didnt inherite the humility gene & learn to live with a quiet kindness & just get the feck on. What an education those children are going to get from parents like these.

[Mrs Figg]

I agree Az, Markel saying she was suicidal is an insult to the people who have suffered real mental anguish in real hardship, after having done some real work in a 10 hour shift in a hospital. She is talking about some negative press, which is nasty, but hardly enough to send you over the edge in a guarded private gated palace in the Hollywood hills while she swans around with servants and the best of everything.. Its emotional blackmail. its weird. She got the hump because they wouldn't give her kid a title and he is so wrapped up in his own grievances that they have done this to themselves. Its their doing, they could be doing some work like Kate and William. They repulse me.

[Pettytyrant101]

{{So Piers Morgan has been sacked from GMTV over him saying he didnt believe a word Megan Markle said and thought she was lying.
This apparently sparked a ton of complaints to ofcom and the mental health agencies to step in saying how dangerous it was to say that about someone reaching out for help.
Now I am no fan of Piers Morgan, but a word springs to mind here and its - Shite!

Anyone has every right to say what they think about that interview, Ive seen most of it now and I think the word actress suits her very well, it came over to me as a perfomrnace consiting of half truths, exagerrations, outright lies and deceptions.
But apprently saying so is a sackable offence now!

So if I went on tv and out of nowhere claimed to be suicidal or abused as a child, no one is allowed to question that? To verify truth? I have to be believed and accepted becuase I say its true?
How is that journalism?
Especially if the journalist dares to question me on my made up lies I can have them sacked.
These are messed up days for free speech. }}

[azriel]

Its "selective" free speech & will prove to be dangerous, not unlike the Witch trials where Children brought about the deaths of their own parents & why ? because they said so, it wasnt disbelieved. People are running around like headless chickens afraid to say anything honest yet, feel able to say anything thats a lie. We sang Hallejuha about racism, sexism, ageism & any other ism you can cook up but, it will come back to bite you in the neck like a rabid vampire. Im starting to feel like a blow fly caught in a jam jar hitting my head on the glass. This is the Jeremy Kyle show for the upper crust & they really want all their dirty washing aired on every media around the world ??? I wouldnt !! I congratulate you Megan, look what you have acheived in a very short time, I look forward to seeing the waxwork in Madam Tussauds, probably be the only time she will shut up ( when shes a waxwork )

[azriel]

And something else thats pissed me off, They were married it now appears before the lovely big white wedding do we saw on tv ( I didnt ) All those lovely suits, carnation button holes, flowers, "go sing it from the mountain" Gospel singers, her dress, her jewels, shoes & underwear, His polished by hand medals, buttons & suit, FFS the list is longer than the walk up the aisle ! All eyes on her, ahhhh, didnt mind spending good peoples money on that did they. The first American to get there, no wonder her smile was extra broad. Beat old Wallis Simpson on that one ( punch the air & squeal "yes" ) Deceipt number one or 101 ? . When you tell lies more will follow, till it becomes a way of life.

[Mrs Figg]

Bloody hell, Piers should have toned it down a bit, what a disastrous own goal. I agree with everything he said, but the forces against him were amassing for the attack, he gave them ammo to get rid of him.

Morgan is literally the only person on British TV holding the government to account for covid and all the corruption and incompetence. Johnson and Handcock must be rubbing their hands with glee. Who is going to question them now? there's nobody with enough balls left. I never in a million years would have thought Piers Morgan would be the only person on telly to stand up and be a champion for the truth, but he was.

[Pettytyrant101]

{{ Yup, theres a lot Id disagree with Piers on, and he used to be selective in who he dealt with harshly in interviews, but in fairness to him since he got the GMTV gig he has been equally as tough on the right as well now.
Plus he was hired precisely because he is known to be opinionated and outspoken. I never understand htis, they hire someone specifically for those traits, then when they display the very traits hired for they feign outrage and fire him.

GMTV put out a pathetic statement saying how much they support mental health causes and issues.
Noone ever said they didnt, Piers didint say he didnt, he just said he thought she was making it up for sympathy and money. I doubt he is alone in that view.}}

[Mrs Figg]

so MET police arrest women for going on a peaceful vigil because one of them murdered a girl. Patel must be rubbing her hands with glee.

[Pettytyrant101]

{{ I think this one there is no win scenario for the police. Large gatherings are illegal becasue of covid and they had a  large gathering, hundreds packed into the park. Law currently says they have to be dispersed- they tried to persuade them to go and they didnt. So eventually they moved in.

The group that organised it had also cancelled and urged folk not to turn out and instead to have a doorstep vigil for the poor woman killed. That would have been far better had they done that (as many, many people did do) rather than gather on mass in the middle of a pandemic and put the police in this position at all.

Also dont think some of the statements put out by womens groups present are helpful in their insinuations-

'A tweet posted by Sisters Uncut alleged "male police officers waited for the sun to set before they started grabbing and manhandling women in the crowd".'- BBC News

erspecially as in the footage I just watched of the women being taken from and arrested at the bandstand female officers are right in the thick of it 'manhandling' alongside their male collegues.



I suspect it was after sunset before they moved only because the police spent the time until then trying and failing to persuade the people gathered to disperse.
But that sort of nasty insinuation and attack on all male officers present is not at all helpful or productive in reducing violence against women. In fact its counterproductive, makes me want to give them a good slap for stupidity (ok thats a bad taste joke, but a valid criticism to make with it). }}

[azriel]

A lot of humans are reactionary & that over rides thinking when the situation is heated. So we are looking at one shitty officer. You will get one in every job or every dole scrounger. Dentists were often accused of putting to sleep patients & groping, & lets not forget Jimmy Saville. It seems worse than normal because these offenders are deemed "good people", people were trust without fear. It matters not if your Royalty or a Lollypop Lady, we are all human & capable of all sorts the only distinction is the clothes we wear.

[Mrs Figg]

yeah physically manhandling women at a vigil against male violence is not a good look no matter how you slice it.

[Pettytyrant101]

{{ As the vid shows though Figg female officers were present and doing same. I didnt see this womens group insinuating the female officers waited till after dark to get a free grope in- they specify male officers. So what they are implying is that ALL the male cops were just there to abuse women whilst just ignoring the actual physical facts that female officers were there doing same job or that the person who sent them there to do the job was a woman.That sort of blanket tarring of folk, and ignoring the physical facts we can all see in the footage is not in any way, shape or form helpful to any cause.
In fact I have less to little sympathy with these women after this statement. Like the lib dem Baroness who proposed in light of this horrific murder that there should be a curfew for all men barring us from going outside after 6pm in order for women to feel safe!!
None of these things are solutions or helping the issue of violence against women in anyway shape or form, they just stoke resentments between the sexes and set them against each other. Utterly counterproductive and probably in long term more harmful to women.}

[Mrs Figg]

The Lib Dem Baroness was being ironic, she also said that she knew it would be impossible, wasn't really asking for a curfew, and she was making a point that women are always asked to alter their behaviour whereas men are not. That is her point.

[Pettytyrant101]

{{ I dont think it was helpful. And if your the one thats been effected then yes a bit more alterness and awarenss is needed. Not mens fault nature has us generally larger, stronger and heavier boned. So obviously physical threats for women by a man by and large are greater than for a man.
And we all have to modify behaviour according to risk. There are certain parts of Glasgow Id not willingly go into at particular hours of the day because you know there is a very high chance youll meet trouble. So I modify my behaviour and where I can and cannot go according to perceived risk. Everyone has to do that, not just women.
And men are told to alter our behaviour, well almost continually. My entire life Ive heard how men need to alter behaviour. }}

[Pettytyrant101]

[Mrs Figg]

police brutality pure and simple at a peaceful vigil.

[Pettytyrant101]

{{ I wouldnt even count it as a vigil. A vigil is a time for respect, showning compassion and sympathy and solidarity - this was a politically motivated rally with speakers. You dont have a political rally at a vigil.

The organisers had cancelled the event precisiely because of this. If folk wanted to pay their respects there was absolutely no need to do so by gathering in huge crowds. Not only that the organisers are an entirely political group called "reclaim the streets" who are anti lockdown, anti-captialist far left protesters.
Trying to pretend these were just harmless ordenary women wanting to pay respects is simply untrue.

In Scotland for example the tragedy was marked without trouble and people still showed their respects and anger without gathering for a political rally to do so-

'People in Scotland have paid tribute to Sarah Everard, lighting candles at home and tying ribbons to park fences.
After planned vigils by Reclaim These Streets were moved online, event organisers in Glasgow asked people to leave their tributes at locations around the city and go home safely.
A small number of people gathered to light candles at the Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh, but Police Scotland said they left shortly afterwards.
The Scottish government had warned that any vigil in a public place would go against coronavirus restrictions.'

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What there isnt an excuse for is using this terrible event as a political stunt and putting peoples lives at risk by encouraging a mass gathering in a pandemic. That is not a vigil. They shouldnt have been there, there should not have been speakers giving political rallies and they should have dispersed when told to do so by police.
No one to blame for this but themselves, not police brutality, not male mysoginy, just stupidty on their part going ahead with it in these circumstances when there were safe, and equally powerful means to make the point and show respects.}}

[Pettytyrant101]

{{ And typically, or predicatably Reclaim the Streets is headed up by an American, importing US social problems to our streets.



'Painful and triggering' to see cops manhandling women. No mention of the female cop doing same of course.
'The police are silencing us' No they are not. They are stoping you gathering in large crowds during a pandemic at an illegal gathering. You are free to voice your concerns in many, many other ways, you are free to hold personal vigils, to publicly show sympathy. Your just not allowed to gather in a crowd, same as everone else.

'Its opressing of women' No its breaking up a potentially dangerous virus spreading gathering. Would make no difference if it were men gathered or women. Its not allowed at moment either way. The response would be same, either way.
The logic of her argument is if women gather in crowds to protest they have to be allowed to break the law as otherwise is mysogony.

'Our human rights to protest' There is a right to protest, there is not a right to break the law to do so. Its as simple as that. And how much of an imported American phrase is that anyway?! Also technically wrong as we have no written consitutition, so there is no right to protest in the UK, there is precedent of being able to protest that the law follows, as our system largely works on precedent. Not the same thing. And what allows a UK govt to temporarily do things like ban gatherings for public health reasons. Which is all that happened here- a gathering was banned, went ahead despite being banned and the police broke it up and arrested a few that refused to leave (only 4 arrests made).}}

[Mrs Figg]

I think you are missing the point. The government and by extension the police are being heavy handed during peaceful protest, the vigil was peaceful and was escalated by the police response, the same with BLM and other largely peaceful protest on the streets during the pandemic, but I didn't hear you saying BLM was politicised and therefore unlawful or dangerous because of covid. The fact is the Home Secretary does not 'approve' of public protests, and we all know why. If peaceful public protest is criminalised, eg, ordinary middle-class law abiding females being pushed violently to the ground and by bully boys, then just wait until the violent Brexit riots start, wait until the farmers, fishermen and the Brexit-conned take to the streets...they are afraid of this and are ramping up the criminalisation of ANY protest.
Your argument about female police officers is totally disingenuous, they represent the law not gender in this instance. My point being, it doesn't matter that this was about male violence, its about the police cracking down on peaceful protest with the consent of a worryingly fascist government. That is my point.

[Pettytyrant101]

{{ The police are always heavy handed in protests, its how they enforce themselves. When I was on the council tax marches in Glasgow they just waded into folk every so often, sometimes on horseback. Look at the police versus the miners in the 80's. This is nothing new. What it has nothing to do with is the sex of the protestors or the police.

Yet this is being made out as male police 'manhandling' women holding a peaceful vigil for a murdered woman, killed by a seving officer.

But in reality what actually happened was a far left protest group took it over, turned it into a political rally with speakers not a vigil, refused to disperse depsite breaking the law (as it stands the law currently says you cant have a gathering of more than 30 people  or you face fines up to 10,000 quid- which is why the organisers both pulled the event officially and didnt turn up to it themselves as otherwise theyd ve liable to prosecution, instead they let everyone theyd encouraged to turn up take the heat). And who then insinuated with every statement made that it was male police attacking women, when there were plenty female officers present doing same, and the first female Met Commisioner who was responsible for policing.
Its a false devisisve narrative being pushed that this had anything to do with gender. }}