Re: Doctor Who [12]

by Mrs Figg Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:32 pm

malickfan wrote:Steven Moffat is stepping down as Showrunner, Series 10, his final will air in Spring 2017, so far only one christmas special is planned for 2016, Broadchurch writer Chris Chibnall will take over as showrunner, with series 11 set to follow in 2018. No word as of yet if Capaldi will stay on for series 11:

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-01-22/doctor-who-showrunner-steven-moffat-quits-to-be-replaced-by-broadchurch-creator-chris-chibnall

close the door on the way out moffat.

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by malickfan Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:42 pm

Mrs Figg wrote:

to Moffat! AT LAST!

I thought you'd be upset Laughing

I think it's fairly clear Moffat was only hanging around until they could find someone mad enough to take the job, still got another TWO years before Chibnall's who starts...this is the guy who wrote 'Dinosaurs on A Spaceship' so I'm not overly excited by the news personally...

by Mrs Figg Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:43 pm

malickfan wrote:
Eldorion wrote:I just saw that and came running in here to see if it had been posted yet.

Petty, please post if you're okay.

I'm more intrigued by Figgsy's response

I really, really, really hope Capaldi gets the chance to stay on as the Doctor if he wants to, 3 series split across four years is the same as Smith and Tennant got, but honestly it feels like Capaldi has barely gotten started in the role. not that didn't like Clara...but she, and his tardis are both a hang over from Smith's Doctor, and I'd love to see where Capaldi could take the role under a very different writer.

Chiball has a bit a mixed record with Who/Torchwood and i.m.o wasn't a particularly popular candidate to take over with fans, but he's a talented writer, and you never know, maybe no one else was crazy enough to take the job...

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by malickfan Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:55 pm

Mrs Figg wrote:
malickfan wrote:
Eldorion wrote:I just saw that and came running in here to see if it had been posted yet.

Petty, please post if you're okay.

I'm more intrigued by Figgsy's response

I really, really, really hope Capaldi gets the chance to stay on as the Doctor if he wants to, 3 series split across four years is the same as Smith and Tennant got, but honestly it feels like Capaldi has barely gotten started in the role. not that didn't like Clara...but she, and his tardis are both a hang over from Smith's Doctor, and I'd love to see where Capaldi could take the role under a very different writer.

Chiball has a bit a mixed record with Who/Torchwood and i.m.o wasn't a particularly popular candidate to take over with fans, but he's a talented writer, and you never know, maybe no one else was crazy enough to take the job...

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What if you dislike Chibnall even more?

by Mrs Figg Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:01 pm

that my friend, would be impossible. Laughing

by malickfan Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:05 pm

Mrs Figg wrote:that my friend, would be impossible.

Fair enough Laughing

(Although I mostly enjoyed his time in charge I'm glad he's gone, it's time for some new blood in charge, rather p*ssed this has cost Capaldi a series when he's actually settled into the role now, hopefully he'll stick around for a series or two to ease the transition)

There's already a petition to have him sacked (apparently he's already deleted his twitter account Laughing

) and if I've learnt anything from the Doctor Who fanbase, some of the fans are never happier than when they have something to hate...

by Pettytyrant101 Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:20 pm

My, my Figg the dirnks are mounting up and we haven't even got through January yet! Laughing

And before you go all gaga over Chibnall he wrote Nefretiti who you hated as sexist (you blamed Moffat of course but not his episode).

'if I've learnt anything from the Doctor Who fanbase, some of the fans are never happier than when they have something to hate...'- Malick

Moffat has said he used to frequent the Gallifrey Base forums when he was just an episode writer for RTD. And it was full of RTD must go posts and Moffat of course was the golden boy who could do no wrong.

He went back in after a few episodes as show runner and discovered it was all now Moffat must go posts! At which point he decided there was nothing much of use to be gained from reading the forums.

I give it less than half a series before the 'Chibnall must go' brigade start up in force.

by malickfan Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:30 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:

I give it less than half a series before the 'Chibnall must go' brigade start up in force.

They've already started a petition on G.B apparently (I've never been able to verify an account there, but I'm not sure I'd want to...), Chibnall has wisely deleted his twitter account, I certainly wouldn't want the job and 9 time out 10 the fan ideas I hear are absolutely awful.

http://www.digitalspy.com/fun/doctor-who/news/a781006/mark-gatiss-has-the-cheekiest-possible-reaction-to-best-pal-steven-moffats-doctor-who-departure/

by **Amarië** Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:37 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:My, my Figg the dirnks are mounting up and we haven't even got through January yet!

And before you go all gaga over Chibnall he wrote Nefretiti who you hated as sexist (you blamed Moffat of course but not his episode).

While poor Moffat was drugged down, gagged and locked up a dungeon somewhere, not having a thing to do with the episode at all? But yes, that does worry me. But I do look forward to NEW reasons to argue/complain.

'if I've learnt anything from the Doctor Who fanbase, some of the fans are never happier than when they have something to hate...'- Malick

Moffat has said he used to frequent the Gallifrey Base forums when he was just an episode writer for RTD. And it was full of RTD must go posts and Moffat of course was the golden boy who could do no wrong.

He went back in after a few episodes as show runner and discovered it was all now Moffat must go posts! At which point he decided there was nothing much of use to be gained from reading the forums. Unless it is to collect 100% perfecly unquestionable proof from polls, obviously.

I give it less than half a series before the 'Chibnall must go' brigade start up in force. Pssssh, lazy buggers, we'd have drummed up a war long before that!

by Mrs Figg Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:59 pm

Amarië wrote:
Pettytyrant101 wrote:My, my Figg the dirnks are mounting up and we haven't even got through January yet!

And before you go all gaga over Chibnall he wrote Nefretiti who you hated as sexist (you blamed Moffat of course but not his episode).

While poor Moffat was drugged down, gagged and locked up a dungeon somewhere, not having a thing to do with the episode at all? But yes, that does worry me. But I do look forward to NEW reasons to argue/complain.

'if I've learnt anything from the Doctor Who fanbase, some of the fans are never happier than when they have something to hate...'- Malick

Moffat has said he used to frequent the Gallifrey Base forums when he was just an episode writer for RTD. And it was full of RTD must go posts and Moffat of course was the golden boy who could do no wrong.

He went back in after a few episodes as show runner and discovered it was all now Moffat must go posts! At which point he decided there was nothing much of use to be gained from reading the forums. Unless it is to collect 100% perfecly unquestionable proof from polls, obviously.

I give it less than half a series before the 'Chibnall must go' brigade start up in force. Pssssh, lazy buggers, we'd have drummed up a war long before that!

quite agree, Chibnall is not known for sexism whereas Moffat........well....is.

by Pettytyrant101 Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:12 pm

While poor Moffat was drugged down, gagged and locked up a dungeon somewhere, not having a thing to do with the episode at all?- Amarie

Going on everything we know about the writing process under Moffat he adds in stuff related to series arcs, and he offers ideas at round the table sessions- but as far as we know, and there have been several writers blogs on the process published now, he does not rewrite other folks work, or write into their work characters of his own creation- there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest anything other than Nefretiti was a Chibnall character, as was the deliberately misogynistic big game hunter in the same tale.

'Chibnall is not known for sexism whereas Moffat........well....is.'- Figg

Only because, you without any proof at all, attribute everything any other writer writes which you happen to dislike directly to Moffat!

' I certainly wouldn't want the job'- Malick

I think Gatiss tweet in response to the news of his best friends departure perfectly sums up how stressful, difficult, and how much unfounded and unwarranted ranting shit and abuse you have to take to do this job and how much of a burden all that can become, and there is no one better positioned than Gatiss bar Mrs Moffat who can see how much he has given to this job-

"Sclavus liberatus felix est" (The freed slave is happy)- Gatiss

by Mrs Figg Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:15 pm

poor little petal, so sorry for him. Rolling Eyes

there is one way of dealing with angry fans and that is NOT using Twitter and NOT reading stuff on social media. But he probably didn't resist that. I cant understand why somebody who is paid to do a job, deliberately reads that stuff. If it was me I would go in do the job get paid and never get sucked into fandom by pandering to it. that way madness lies.

by azriel Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:25 pm

I dont give diddly who writes the scripts & thinks up the stories, That, is the main meal, you & Petty are the after meal dessert Laughing

cant seem to have one without the other Very Happy

by Mrs Figg Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:31 pm

well if we are the dessert, Petty is the Spotted Dick. Laughing

I can be Angel Cakes. Wink

by azriel Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:42 pm

by Pettytyrant101 Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:10 pm

that is NOT using Twitter and NOT reading stuff on social media- Figg

He doesn't. That is what he was saying, he gave up on the forums shortly after he took charge. He quit twitter years ago after he tried to engage with critical fans and just got endless abuse back instead.

Moffat said of persuading Chibnall- 'It took a lot of gin and tonic to talk him into this'- and I am not surprised. I suspect one of the reasons that its been so hard to get a replacement is that no one wants the job because of the unwarranted and usually completely out of proportion abuse you have to take over it.

by **Amarië** Sat Jan 23, 2016 8:26 pm

Welcome to the world as it is today.
Poke your head out just a fraction and you are free game. Hate, rape treats... You name it, you get it. Have an opinion on something and people will say you deserve to suffer and die horribly.

by Bluebottle Sat Jan 23, 2016 8:40 pm

Moffat on the other hand only gets criticism for writing incomprehensible narratives and conceiving and scripting female characters in a way many find problematic.

In the context of what goes down on the internet I'd say that's rather tame. (And should be par for the course for anyone in that kind of role, really.) Shrugging

by Mrs Figg Sat Jan 23, 2016 8:56 pm

I agree.

I bet he didnt get abuse about the way he looks or his age, ( like poor Mary Beard got) a few people moaning about Clara is not going to give him sleepless nights. He got off light if you ask me.

by Pettytyrant101 Sat Jan 23, 2016 9:04 pm

in a way many find problematic.- Blue

If for 'many' you meant to say, 'small vocal minority of the total global watching audience', you might be somewhere near truth.

Overall Moffats time on the show has seen the overall audience boom and its received a lot of critical praise and approximately 70-80 million people worldwide regularly tune in (not including all those watching by illicit means). Most of them do so simply because they enjoy it.

by Nagual Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:55 pm

I feel Moffat is a great writer, and as such had great idea of where to take Dr Who before he became Head Honcho. First couple of series under his belt was by far the best Dr Who in ages, but after that it starts to unravel a bit. There has be less consistency with the current Doctors performance due to the scripts not the actor. As a result, watching the past series or so is like playing russian roulette - you never know what sort of Doctor you are going to get.

In hindsight, I understand the Clara thing he was trying to express, but I think he did it badly. Or rather he didn't do it in such a way that was for me, believable. The chemistry that Coleman and Smith shared was obviously missing from the word go, and it never came back. As a result you have two people obviously acting a bond which isn't there. Clara's level of insanity increases dramatically, which is saying something, which just jumped out as a massive neon sign saying "Warning - She's going to do something soon that will kill her" not exactly subtle. I never did buy into her taking on the quantum shadow tattoo, and her finale was a very limp wristed affair.

I welcome Dr Who's new head, and hope he can breath a welcome breath of consistency, while making use of Capaldis talents.

by Pettytyrant101 Sun Jan 24, 2016 2:59 pm

Another superb vid from Garostudios-

Another good one-

by Forest Shepherd Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:20 pm

heh

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hahahahHAHAhahHAHAHA-MWAHAHA-HOHO!! Laughing

by Mrs Figg Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:53 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:in a way many find problematic.- Blue

If for 'many' you meant to say, 'small vocal minority of the total global watching audience', you might be somewhere near truth.

Overall Moffats time on the show has seen the overall audience boom and its received a lot of critical praise and approximately 70-80 million people worldwide regularly tune in (not including all those watching by illicit means). Most of them do so simply because they enjoy it.

thousands of people are not 'a small vocal minority' and why the accent on 'vocal' like that's a bad thing. that's just another way of dismissing their views as being hysterical.

by malickfan Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:28 pm

Well the expected rumours about Capaldi's departure after Series 10 have started ( I sincerely hope they are false myself it feels like he's barely got started and I was hoping he'd be able to break the 3 series and out pattern):

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/peter-capaldi-leaving-doctor-who-7245477

A poster who claims to have sources at the BBC (and evidently also one with an axe to grind against Capaldi) posted on Gallifrey Base:

On Christmas Day, I posted that there would be no new Who in 2016 and that BBC Worldwide had already told its International partners that they would have to schedule something else in the Fall 2016 slot. I got a whole host of naysayers shooting me down.
The situation is this. Viewer research indicates that people don't like Capaldi as the Doctor and, most importantly, the younger demographics who buy merchandise. The decision has already been taken to replace him at the end of Season 10, when his contract is up and to cast a younger actor and that search is already underway, with at least three fairly high profile "names" having been approached. The show is a flagship and the feeling is that it needs to be a vehicle for a young, British star or rising star - think Ben Whishaw (though it won't be Ben Whishaw) level of current visibility and age. Oh, and it won't be Tennant either. Or Olivia Coleman.
There have also been various "tone" memos flying about, which would suggest that Chibnall has been advised to highlight the more "comic thrills" elements - meaning more Marvel type special powers type baddies of the week and a lighter feel to the jeopardy, whatever that means.
Interestingly, there was talk of BBC America putting in money and becoming a Co-Producer, which might have seen budgets raised to the level that they could do the kind of SFX that this Editorial direction might suggest, but these were dismissed out of hand. I do know that BBC America (or, more specifically, AMC) would, ironically, love to be able to develop the series along darker, more adult lines, but this isn't the way that BBC Production wants to go.
The BBC still supports the show and still sees it as a future staple, but it will look and feel very different in 2018

It's all about the BBC Worldwide research and the resulting decisions that have been taken. I love Who and have done for over 40 years, but my direct line to the BBC doesn't fill me with optimism and I wouldn't normally post.
Merchandise and associated sales are down and all of the work done points to both scheduling and Capaldi as the key indicators for the decline in these and viewing figures. Worldwide made their views very clear in November. They don't drive things, but their voice has been listened to.

Auditions for the new Doctor haven't taken place yet, but three (that I'm aware of) high-ish profile names have been sounded out via their agents and there will be a reboot from 2018 to a lighter, more family friendly tone, with a more "Marvel" approach with a younger, geeky action hero Doctor.

Make of that what you will.

It is worth noting The Mirror claimed Capaldi would quit the role after just one series shortly after he was announced as the new doctor BUT almost all the plot leaks and rumours about last series they wrote about in articles were true.

Though if Capaldi was definitely leaving with Moffat, I'm inclined to think they would have announced it at the same time (Tennant and Smith were both offered and declined a fourth series), and Moffat previously complained about the added pressure of launching a new series and Doctor at the same time, whilst taking over as showrunner.

As for me personally...I stopped watching Who halfway through Smith's second series...and I'll probably be doing the same again if Capaldi was pushed out against his will (especially it he was replaced by another 30 year old with quirky hair) Evil or Very Mad

I might do it anyway, He's made it very clear in interviews he'd be interested in staying in the role long term, and I'm not overly keen to move back towards another Tennant esque Doctor...