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Re: Doctor Who [12]
by Mrs Figg Tue Jan 19, 2016 5:44 pm
There was one good thing to come out of the Christmas special, no hang on, two things, the first was the age appropriate thing between the Doctor and River, at last they look like a real couple, and the second was Capaldi's acting. at long last he is pleasant to watch and has stopped being an arse. he was mellow.
and that's all I am saying on the matter seeing as I am on a self imposed Who exile for a year.
and that's all I am saying on the matter seeing as I am on a self imposed Who exile for a year.
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Re: Doctor Who [12]
by Pettytyrant101 Tue Jan 19, 2016 5:59 pm
Let us know what you think Forest.
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Re: Doctor Who [12]
by Pettytyrant101 Tue Jan 19, 2016 6:19 pm
Yes because you asking if I wanna bet is on the Who thread- I already win 
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Re: Doctor Who [12]
by Pettytyrant101 Tue Jan 19, 2016 6:55 pm
I believe the next round is on you 
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Re: Doctor Who [12]
by Pettytyrant101 Tue Jan 19, 2016 7:04 pm
And an extra one for every time you post here for the next year (should keep me in buckie for 12 months! 
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Re: Doctor Who [12]
by Pettytyrant101 Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:52 pm
From Rachel Talalay's blogon the subject of awards-
'I would love to see Doctor Who Series 9 honoured by BAFTA and Emmy nominations. On the statistical ‘best’ criteria, Series 9 is the top-reviewed genre show of 2015 according to Rotten Tomatoes. It is also the #4 top-reviewed returning TV show of the year.
But voters need to watch it. Historically, the BAFTA voters have a love for “Bonnets and Bustles”. Take an unnamed and uninitiated BAFTA voter and ask them to look over the list of shows of the year and all the great actors — Doctor Who seems like an obvious skip-over. Yeah, sure, Peter Capaldi is a great actor, but who cares about that kids’ show? And it’s sci-fi, not ‘real’ drama, and it’ll be around forever and we need to support new and fresh.
(Of course, we all know that joy of DW is that is strives to stay new and fresh —the Daleks did not steal from R2D2…)
If you’ve never watched Doctor Who, you may be inclined to throw up your hands in terror. But you don’t have to watch 100+ episodes of New Who and 700+episodes of Classic Who to understand how incredible the work this season has been.
Spend five minutes watching the incredible anti-war speech delivered by Peter Capaldi in “The Zygon Inversion.” Or a few more minutes watching Jenna Coleman’s emotional, powerful goodbye in “Face the Raven.” You don’t need to know these character’s history to appreciate the tremendous work here.
Take an hour to watch the experimental one-man-show puzzle-box episode “Heaven Sent,” [full disclosure – I directed this one] which can be viewed without knowing 52 years of Who-history. It is an absolute acting tour-de-force, all-doctor-all-the-time, and it demands to be seen before the voters turn to the obvious dramas.
And credit Will Oswald’s extraordinary editing of billions of years of footage. And Stuart Biddlecombe’s stunning cinematography. All accomplished on a budget less than ¼ of an episode of Game of Thrones. These craftsmen-artists need recognition.
And none of this would be possible without Steven Moffat’s immaculate, intricately plotted, remarkable script. He stated, both publicly and to the team, that this was one of the hardest things he has ever written. Love or hate the Moff, honour him for the attempt at different television and the sweat and toil for a show that could be what non-watchers assume it is: some old time-travel show with monsters.
I’m not searching for votes. I’m just asking the Voters to watch and judge on the work, not on pre-conceived notions of what the show is, as any Oscar contender would hope – watch before you vote. Cause “You gotta play to win”. '
'I would love to see Doctor Who Series 9 honoured by BAFTA and Emmy nominations. On the statistical ‘best’ criteria, Series 9 is the top-reviewed genre show of 2015 according to Rotten Tomatoes. It is also the #4 top-reviewed returning TV show of the year.
But voters need to watch it. Historically, the BAFTA voters have a love for “Bonnets and Bustles”. Take an unnamed and uninitiated BAFTA voter and ask them to look over the list of shows of the year and all the great actors — Doctor Who seems like an obvious skip-over. Yeah, sure, Peter Capaldi is a great actor, but who cares about that kids’ show? And it’s sci-fi, not ‘real’ drama, and it’ll be around forever and we need to support new and fresh.
(Of course, we all know that joy of DW is that is strives to stay new and fresh —the Daleks did not steal from R2D2…)
If you’ve never watched Doctor Who, you may be inclined to throw up your hands in terror. But you don’t have to watch 100+ episodes of New Who and 700+episodes of Classic Who to understand how incredible the work this season has been.
Spend five minutes watching the incredible anti-war speech delivered by Peter Capaldi in “The Zygon Inversion.” Or a few more minutes watching Jenna Coleman’s emotional, powerful goodbye in “Face the Raven.” You don’t need to know these character’s history to appreciate the tremendous work here.
Take an hour to watch the experimental one-man-show puzzle-box episode “Heaven Sent,” [full disclosure – I directed this one] which can be viewed without knowing 52 years of Who-history. It is an absolute acting tour-de-force, all-doctor-all-the-time, and it demands to be seen before the voters turn to the obvious dramas.
And credit Will Oswald’s extraordinary editing of billions of years of footage. And Stuart Biddlecombe’s stunning cinematography. All accomplished on a budget less than ¼ of an episode of Game of Thrones. These craftsmen-artists need recognition.
And none of this would be possible without Steven Moffat’s immaculate, intricately plotted, remarkable script. He stated, both publicly and to the team, that this was one of the hardest things he has ever written. Love or hate the Moff, honour him for the attempt at different television and the sweat and toil for a show that could be what non-watchers assume it is: some old time-travel show with monsters.
I’m not searching for votes. I’m just asking the Voters to watch and judge on the work, not on pre-conceived notions of what the show is, as any Oscar contender would hope – watch before you vote. Cause “You gotta play to win”. '
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Re: Doctor Who [12]
by Eldorion Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:01 pm
Especially considering that nuWho has earned a number of BAFTAs over the years.
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Re: Doctor Who [12]
by Pettytyrant101 Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:06 pm
Well the episode she is talking of which she directed (she also directed the finale) Heaven Sent is in my view a genuine great among Who, and here is a rather lengthy discourse on why I think so- (oh and I highly recommend popping back a page or two for the link to the episode and watching first before reading as obviously this is hugely spoilery for the entire 3 part finale- which if you only watch a bit of this series of Who to see if you like it- just watch the 3 part finale starting with Face the Raven- you'll follow it fine, everything you need to know is there)
And thats another drink you owe me Figg!
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Story
Level 1- First watch
A grieving Doctor is transported by an unknown enemy to a mysterious castle in the middle of an ocean. The castle and its one inhabitant are drawn from the Doctors nightmares. It is also a giant puzzle box, in which only confessions will open up new areas of the castle allowing progression towards the exit. The purpose of the box is to extract from the Doctor his knowledge of the Hybrid, a Gallfreyean prophesy of a creature which will stand in the ruins of Gallifrey.
The Doctor however, who is grieving for his lost companion Clara spurs himself on with a mental image of her, as teacher, writing on a blackboard, driving him on to win, and being his support.
Eventually the Doctor realises that he has been going round and round inside this puzzle box for 7,000 years, and has done so because he has a very long term plan to escape by slowly punching his way through the outer wall. And each time he understands the meaning of the word 'bird' he breaks down and is only driven to continue by the image of Clara pushing him on.
It takes him over 2 billion years to punch through the outer wall and escape were upon he finds himself on Gallifrey and that the entire puzzle box castle was inside his confession dial, a Gallifreyean item used by a Time Lord when they know they are about to die to confront their regrets and achieve peace before death. The Doctor then tells the Time Lords that the Hybrid destined to stand in the ruins of Gallifrey is him.
Analysis on first watch- a story about grief, death and its inevitability and hope triumphing over all. Demonstrates what we have long known- that the Doctor should not travel alone, and by using the mental image of Clara we see why he needs a companion as a touch stone and how he is always asking in his mind of his actions if that is what his companion would want him to do. Its a demonstration of why the Doctor needs to travel with someone. On his own he has no moral or social compass. He is left alone to confront what his life really is.
The them of death is sourced in the Doctors raw grief for Clara's death only minutes before. It comes up in the opening monologue, its in the skulls in the water and the revelation they are all his and the speech of about why we stare in to the eye sockets of a skull. Its in the fading, flaked paining of Clara. And of course the monster in pursuit is a silent slow moving creature surrounded by flies that never stops or rests, it just comes after you until it catches you. And it takes the form of a nightmare image from his childhood, sparked by the real event of seeing a dead old woman who had been covered by a veil, but that it didn't stop the flies from feeding on her corpse
The entire story is itself a metaphor both for the Doctors life and existentially for the show itself.
In the story the Doctor is pursued down corridors by a monster he must defeat, whilst death constantly around him. He spends his time running from one end of the castle to another, running and solving puzzles whilst pursued by a monster until finally, inevitably, it catches up with him, and he burns the old him, as arguably regeneration is, to make a new one.
Which is also what the show does, it burns up everyone, lead actors, directors, producers, show-runners, writers, set designers, all of them. It uses them up and with the energy they create it makes a new Who, with new people from top to bottom. Like the Doctor it will, in theory, never stop.
The story is the Doctors life condensed- running, death, regenerating, starting all over again, but also punching that wall more and more, going further, driving on. But its also nightmarish, constantly running, constantly haunted by death, constantly battling the monster, dying, being reborn and doing it all again, forever.
And what makes it bearable for him, is his companion. Those people, though he knows the pain they will inevitably cost him when they leave him, or die, or grow old, are what he lives for. They are why he keeps fighting, part running to people, part because he is scared, part running to them before they go, part showing off, and part joy at how they can blossom and bring out all that is best in them.
Second Watch- without watching Hell Bent-
Story- On the surface the story remains the same- Doctor being tortured in his own personal hell into confessing his knowledge of the Hybrid, him refusing using the image of Clara to drive himself on and putting himself through over 2 billion years of torture to get out without confessing the information.
However what does change is how many parts of the dialogue, and one big scene in particular is viewed.
The first thing likely to be noticed is that the seemingly random collection of interior castle shots we see under the Doctors monologue on death pursuing us throughout our lives is in fact the journey he took to his death at the end of the episode.
The Doctor speech when he steps from the teleporter also takes on a new double meaning.
His claim that he will never stop is, given what he is about to put himself through, both true and therefore rather impressive, and frightening when you know what's coming for him.
But the scene that changes the most is the moment he realises the significance of the word Bird and goes into his mind TARDIS raging with fury and at how unfair it all is, and several lines of dialogue whose context was no originally clear become crystal clear-
DOCTOR: (angry) That's when I remember! Always then. Always then. Always exactly then! I can't keep doing this, Clara! I can't! Why is it always me? Why is it never anybody else's turn?......But I can remember, Clara.You don't understand, I can remember it all. Every time.
Third Watch having seen Hell Bent-
Hell Bent changes the entire context of Heaven Sent in very important ways.
The most important of these is knowing that the Doctor in fact doesn't have any secrets about the Hybrid, he is guessing as much as the rest of them.
The true reason he put himself through this hell was to save Clara from death.
To do so he needed access to a Time Lord Extraction Chamber, to pull her from her last moments of life, metabolically frozen between heart beats, and then he planned to run away again with her and defy the laws of Time, risking the possible collapse of the whole Universe in the process. He had already worked out the clues (as many viewers had also) that the Time lords were behind his teleportation, all he needed to do was get out with a big enough bargaining chip- their certainty he did know about the Hybrid.
And all to save Clara. We also learn he was there not over 2 billion years but nearer 4 and a half billion years.
All this rather than let death take someone else from him-
'I'm sick of losing people. Look at you, with your eyes, and your never giving up, and your anger, and your kindness. One day, the memory of that will hurt so much that I won't be able to breathe, and I'll do what I always do. I'll get in my box and I'll run and I'll run, in case all the pain ever catches up. And every place I go, it will be there. '
All for Clara. The companion who has become the most like him. And whom the Doctor only ever met in the first place because of Missy bringing them together.
MISSY: In a way, this is why I gave her to you in the first place. To make you see. The friend inside the enemy, the enemy inside the friend.... Everyone's a bit of both. Everyone's a hybrid.
All the TARDIS scenes with the Doctors mental idea of Clara are now demonstrations not in why he needs a companion- but why he cannot be with this companion-
The Hybrid is the two of them together- driving one another on, breaking all the rules and all the limits in how far they will go for each other.
When the Doctor reaches the point each time round where he cannot take the burden and asks why cannot he just lose. It would be so easy to lose, which it would be as all he need to tell is the truth, which is he knows nothing about it really and he walks free, but what drives him on his his image of Clara- NO- she tells him when he wants to give in, and 'get up off your arse and win', may as well be 'get up off your arse and save me.'
The Doctor's own grief is driving him on, for 4 and half billion years of mental and physical torture. He not only never stops, he never stops grieving, each time round the grief is as fresh as the first and each time its the difference between giving up and going on.
All of this of course ties off Clara's development, especially with 12 very nicely indeed, even the fact a lot of people complained it was the 'Doctor Clara;'' show because she so often acted in his shoes all falls perfectly into place as her development reaches the end point, her own stolen TARDIS with her companion and as much time as she can get away with and on the run from the Time Lords.
And its the perfect place for the Doctor to be. Softened, gentled, a little less rough round the edges, more openly able to show his compassion and joy, but with no memory of the person who shaped him this way. Story wise it leaves him ready to just head on out there and meet a new companion. Unlike with Rose he wont be moping her loss for a series or so, unlike with Amy and Rory he doesn't have to spend Christmas moping in retirement ontop of a cloud. The ending of course encapsulates this perfectly-
So for me among the reason I think Heaven Sent is one of the Who greats is because its a cracking, entertaining, thoughtful, splendidly produced, acted and scored piece of television on first viewing. On a second view it repays the watching with new insights, new understandings on particular shots or lines of dialogue. And when seen in light of the full story including Hell Bent it completely changes the character of the piece again in relation to the many things it is about and the motivations of the main character.
And its very rare you get all those things so well put together, in any medium.
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Re: Doctor Who [12]
by Nagual Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:20 pm
Mrs Figg wrote:she is blowing her own trumpet then.
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Re: Doctor Who [12]
by Pettytyrant101 Fri Jan 22, 2016 3:10 pm
Oh more buckie please Figg!! This threads turning into a pub with an infinite free bar! Have I died and gone to buckie heaven?!
A superb beautiful new vid from the immensely talented SnowLightxx.
Which by a marvellous coincidence or providence not only highlights what I was saying above regards Heaven Sent and how the themes tie, but connects themes Moffat has built on going back to 11 and Clara (you know a lot of folks say Moffat doesn't plan ahead, which is patently absurd, but what they seem to miss is his trick is cleverer than that- he plants lots of seeds as he goes, any one of which he can then grow to a full theme at any point later and it will echo back. This allows him to have the continuity of themes across not just series but even Doctors, but also the needed flexibility that producing serial tv requires. Where anything up to having to replace the lead actor can crop up out of your control at any moment. Moffat always has options he has left himself in the past to build on, its aclever writing technique thats well worth stealing
)- Anyhow superb vid, enjoy-
This threads turning into a pub with an infinite free bar! Have I died and gone to buckie heaven?! A superb beautiful new vid from the immensely talented SnowLightxx.
Which by a marvellous coincidence or providence not only highlights what I was saying above regards Heaven Sent and how the themes tie, but connects themes Moffat has built on going back to 11 and Clara (you know a lot of folks say Moffat doesn't plan ahead, which is patently absurd, but what they seem to miss is his trick is cleverer than that- he plants lots of seeds as he goes, any one of which he can then grow to a full theme at any point later and it will echo back. This allows him to have the continuity of themes across not just series but even Doctors, but also the needed flexibility that producing serial tv requires. Where anything up to having to replace the lead actor can crop up out of your control at any moment. Moffat always has options he has left himself in the past to build on, its aclever writing technique thats well worth stealing
)- Anyhow superb vid, enjoy-_________________
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Re: Doctor Who [12]
by malickfan Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:09 pm
Steven Moffat is stepping down as Showrunner, Series 10, his final will air in Spring 2017, so far only one christmas special is planned for 2016, Broadchurch writer Chris Chibnall will take over as showrunner, with series 11 set to follow in 2018. No word as of yet if Capaldi will stay on for series 11:
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-01-22/doctor-who-showrunner-steven-moffat-quits-to-be-replaced-by-broadchurch-creator-chris-chibnall
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-01-22/doctor-who-showrunner-steven-moffat-quits-to-be-replaced-by-broadchurch-creator-chris-chibnall
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Re: Doctor Who [12]
by Eldorion Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:11 pm
I just saw that and came running in here to see if it had been posted yet. 
Petty, please post if you're okay.
Petty, please post if you're okay.
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Re: Doctor Who [12]
by Eldorion Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:15 pm
Never heard of Chris Chibnall but I'm reading up on him and he created the 2011 Camelot series for Starz. Yikes. 
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Re: Doctor Who [12]
by Pettytyrant101 Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:17 pm
Fulkly expected- Chibnall wouldn't have been my first choice, but will give him a fair go.
Moffat never expected to be doing series 10, series 9 was he thought his final series- and this is clear when you watch it as a whole.
The point it ends up with is in many ways a clean slate, with the Doctor fully realised and in a place ready to move onwards into new adventure. And then wrapping the River story line up in the final xmas episode of his time as showrunner.
It will be interesitng therefore to see what Moffat now does with series 10, given he already thought he had written his swansong series already.
Hope Capaldi stays on for at least one season with Chibnall. And I hope that works well and he stays for more. But three is the NUwho average, and 10 is his third series already, incredibly.
Moffat never expected to be doing series 10, series 9 was he thought his final series- and this is clear when you watch it as a whole.
The point it ends up with is in many ways a clean slate, with the Doctor fully realised and in a place ready to move onwards into new adventure. And then wrapping the River story line up in the final xmas episode of his time as showrunner.
It will be interesitng therefore to see what Moffat now does with series 10, given he already thought he had written his swansong series already.
Hope Capaldi stays on for at least one season with Chibnall. And I hope that works well and he stays for more. But three is the NUwho average, and 10 is his third series already, incredibly.
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Re: Doctor Who [12]
by malickfan Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:17 pm
Eldorion wrote:I just saw that and came running in here to see if it had been posted yet.
Petty, please post if you're okay.
I'm more intrigued by Figgsy's response
I really, really, really hope Capaldi gets the chance to stay on as the Doctor if he wants to, 3 series split across four years is the same as Smith and Tennant got, but honestly it feels like Capaldi has barely gotten started in the role. not that didn't like Clara...but she, and his tardis are both a hang over from Smith's Doctor, and I'd love to see where Capaldi could take the role under a very different writer.
Chiball has a bit a mixed record with Who/Torchwood and i.m.o wasn't a particularly popular candidate to take over with fans, but he's a talented writer, and you never know, maybe no one else was crazy enough to take the job...
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Re: Doctor Who [12]
by Pettytyrant101 Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:21 pm
His Who resume isn't exactly of the calibre Moffats was when he took over-
42" (2007)
"The Hungry Earth" / "Cold Blood" (2010)
Pond Life (2012)
"Dinosaurs on a Spaceship" (2012)
"The Power of Three" (2012)
"P.S." (2012)
He did however write the hugely popular and critically well received Broadchurch.
42" (2007)
"The Hungry Earth" / "Cold Blood" (2010)
Pond Life (2012)
"Dinosaurs on a Spaceship" (2012)
"The Power of Three" (2012)
"P.S." (2012)
He did however write the hugely popular and critically well received Broadchurch.
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Re: Doctor Who [12]
by malickfan Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:25 pm
I loved 42, and didn't mind Hungry Earth/Cold Blood, don't think I've seen the rest (I think he wrote a few Torchwood eps as well)...would have preffered Toby Whithouse personally...but I'm very glad it's not Mark Gatiss!
IIRC correctly there was an articel a few months ago stating Capaldi had definitely signed on for a 3rd series, and had the option of a 4th, whether this will change with the announcement of a gap year remains to be seen...
IIRC correctly there was an articel a few months ago stating Capaldi had definitely signed on for a 3rd series, and had the option of a 4th, whether this will change with the announcement of a gap year remains to be seen...
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Re: Doctor Who [12]
by Pettytyrant101 Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:33 pm
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