Doctor Who [10]

I'm glad we have another five years guaranteed (I'd certainly be happy for Capaldi to match Tom Baker's run...) I just hope Moffat doesn't stay that long, we don't want another JNT...

Moffat can stay for as long as he likes as far I am concerned so long as he keeps doing what he has being doing recently- switching things up and getting in new writers and directors every series.

we need new talent a fresh take on things, its getting to much like a house style

http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-who/34583/why-doctor-who-should-exploit-its-shared-universe-potential

Thoughts?

Its a tricky thing to pull off without diluting the core show.

Sarah Jane managed it by being written for a different audience than the core Who audience- its was squarely aimed at the kids.
Torchwood went the other way and tried to aim a show squarely at adults within the Whoverse, but it sucked very bad indeed and apart from the miniseries Children of Earth cant be recommended.

I could see the Paternoster Gang filling the Sarah Jane void and being a show aimed at the kids. Hell they had to come up with a whole alien orphan thing to shoehorn a kid into Sarah Janes life, that would be much easier in the Victorian setting full of workhouses and street urchins to find an excuse for a kid to join the gang- and Strax is already written as the kid-friendly comedy character. So I could see that working.

I am against bringing back any previous Doctor in their own show though with the exception of the War Doctor who is sort of off to the side anyway. But any of the others would just put it in direct competition with the current Doctor and I dont see the point in that. Especially not when BF is doing just a great job of continuing old Doctor adventures with the benefit of you not having to look at them all as inexplicably old guys.

If the new audio stories weren't going ahead UNIT would have been a shoe-in for a spin off.

Can't see the fascination with the Doctors 'Daughter' though, generic character mostly forgotten by the fanbase...

Agreed, best left unknown, and rather forget her altoghether- although interestingly she was supposed to die in that episode but didn't because Moffat asked she be kept alive- so I am surprised he hasn't done anything with her so far.

Let's just hope Moff has decided to forget her as well...

Saw The Empty Child again last night. Chris Eccleston was good. Billie Piper was very good. Creepy episode. Very colourful too. Steam punky too. A fave of mine.

Very good episode and story. A Moffat classic

Pettytyrant101 wrote:Very good episode and story. A Moffat classic

its a RTD classic really

Its an RTD era classic, written by Moffat. Same as the Library two parter and the Girl in the Fireplace- all classic RTD era episodes- all written by Moffat.

so classic RTD then

Have you two actually found some common ground here? RTD did do something right in hiering Moffat?

so classic RTD then- Figg

Like I said, classic RTD era episode, but he didn't write it, Moffat did, and its a Moffat story- although its obvious what RTD influenced in it- mainly all the homosexual, pan-sexual jokes and comments than crop up throughout it.


RTD did do something right in hiering Moffat? - Blue

I would say it was the best thing he did in his run, doubt Figg would agree however.

Those are really good episodes, to me it seems Moffat is best when he is forced to work within some boundaries. It's late, I'm sleepy and I've been making cheese cake so the best metaphor I can come up with is the mix needing a cake mould to take shape and be able to stand on it's own. Sherlock and Dr Who seems to float all over the kitchen counter. It has all the ingredients but I don't know what it's suppose to be.

I dont think you should be able to tell what Who is supposed to be- thats kind of the point of it- its something new every week. Who should never be put into any sort of mould.

Who is supposed to be Who. To me it's more like What or Whatever.

I would argue its more recognisable Who now under Moffat (as in the Who I grew up on) than it ever was under RTD.

I love the nods to the past doctors, and the lack dramatic explosions conveniently creating cool backdrops for a stop-and-strike-a-pose break (though Moffat too is guilty of slow motion runs away from huge explosions... )

But it's too little butter and too much bread.

Its not just the nods to the past- he has slowly but surely restructured the feel of the Whoverse back towards a more classic feel for me.

RTD- wiped out all the Time Lords offscreen- Moffat brought them back but kept them at a distance to keep a bit of mystery about them but not so distant they cant have a ready excuse to feature them in stories every now and again if they want to.
Every other episode being modern earth (and specifically London) centric has greatly reduced as well- we spend more time in other new places than under RTD. And when Moffat does go to earth he doesn't always set in London, present or past like RTD seemed to- under Moffat we have had a sub under the Atlantic, Victorian Yorkshire, New York (present and past) Death Valley, a brief appearance from Glasgow as well as a few visits to modern day London and Victorian London- the variety is greater.
And most of all the Doctor himself, with the two Moffat incarnations we have had we have got closer to original Doctors, less human more alien. And now less predictable too, as he should be.

These are all facets of classic Who that had gone a bit awol under RTD's version.

As for not enough butter- after series 8 I would say there was a not only butter there is jam too! In fact Capaldi in his performance pretty much can provide the jam all on his own. (And in fairness to Jenna she put in a few powerhouse performances in series 8 too)

But yes there are still occasional posing explosions for poster and trailers moments (though greatly reduced on the RTD era)

Amarië wrote: It's late, I'm sleepy and I've been making cheese cake so the best metaphor I can come up with is the mix needing a cake mould to take shape and be able to stand on it's own. Sherlock and Dr Who seems to float all over the kitchen counter. It has all the ingredients but I don't know what it's suppose to be.

Do you like your cheesecake whipped or dense? (why do those both seem like somewhat sexual attributes?)