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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [2]
by halfwise Thu May 29, 2014 12:13 pm
No to all yes/no questions. Those would all be Happy and Heartwarming, and Martin has HH allergies.
For the last, a boat of course, Silly. Don't remember the details of how she wrangles herself aboard, but little girls can get away with a lot of crap nobody else can. (Though I think she was disguised as a boy again.)
For the last, a boat of course, Silly. Don't remember the details of how she wrangles herself aboard, but little girls can get away with a lot of crap nobody else can. (Though I think she was disguised as a boy again.)
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [2]
by Bluebottle Thu May 29, 2014 2:29 pm
Though it's good to remember that some of those things might be changed in the adaptation, Figg. So if you'ree hoping for some of them to happen, there's no need to give up hope just yet.
I think at least one of them happening has been rumoured.
I think at least one of them happening has been rumoured.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [2]
by Bluebottle Thu May 29, 2014 2:31 pm
Eldorion wrote:Lancebloke wrote:Eldo... How far in to book 5 are you?
A little over 200 pages, though I spoiled myself fairly thoroughly back when the book came out cause I wasn't sure if I was ever going to read it.
Well, I'd certainly be interested to hear what you guys made of it when you're done.
I was actually thinking of doing the combined AFFC ADWD reread this summer, but I'll have to see if I'll get around to it.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [2]
by Bluebottle Thu May 29, 2014 2:35 pm
On that subject.
If you could take back one thing you wrote in any of your books, what would it be?
https://youtu.be/QTTW8M_etko?t=41m45s
If you could take back one thing you wrote in any of your books, what would it be?
https://youtu.be/QTTW8M_etko?t=41m45s
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [2]
by Lancebloke Thu May 29, 2014 4:51 pm
Finished part 1... part 2 starts tomorrow!
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [2]
by Mrs Figg Thu May 29, 2014 5:00 pm
halfwise wrote:No to all yes/no questions. Those would all be Happy and Heartwarming, and Martin has HH allergies.
For the last, a boat of course, Silly. Don't remember the details of how she wrangles herself aboard, but little girls can get away with a lot of crap nobody else can. (Though I think she was disguised as a boy again.)
so if its all a big fat NO. what happens to Brienne and pod? do they get detoured or opened up with their intestine sausages hanging out? and A Man?
oh its all so sad and poopy. 
a boat of course, Silly. Halfy
she could have taken a dragon
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [2]
by Lancebloke Thu May 29, 2014 5:45 pm
Figgy! You have the self control of a moth near a Christmas tree!!
Read the book or bloody wait!!
Read the book or bloody wait!!
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [2]
by Mrs Figg Thu May 29, 2014 5:56 pm
blast it to buggery I want to know.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [2]
by Forest Shepherd Thu May 29, 2014 6:31 pm
He mentions how the Red Wedding was the most difficult chapter he had to write thus far in the series and how it was the last thing he wrote for A Storm of Swords. In comparison Joffrey's wedding was easier.Bluebottle wrote:On that subject.
If you could take back one thing you wrote in any of your books, what would it be?
https://youtu.be/QTTW8M_etko?t=41m45s
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- Because everyone wanted to see that little shit die.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [2]
by Bluebottle Thu May 29, 2014 11:26 pm
Yeah.
He comes across a really interesting person in those kind of settings. And I find his view on some issues quite fascinating.
He comes across a really interesting person in those kind of settings. And I find his view on some issues quite fascinating.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [2]
by Bluebottle Thu May 29, 2014 11:29 pm
Mrs Figg wrote:
Well, as I said, some of those no'es are rumoured to perhaps be changing to yes'es in the adaptation from book to TV series. So no giving up hope now.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [2]
by Eldorion Fri May 30, 2014 8:21 pm
I've only been watching bits and pieces of this season as they make their way online, but I'm gonna have to tune in for this weekend's episode. I just re-read that portion of the book and it's lost none of its power for me.
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- "You raped her. You murdered her. You killed her children. Now say her name."
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [2]
by Lancebloke Sat May 31, 2014 2:09 pm
Yes Eldo - I have been looking forward to that bit since I read it in the book. Hopefully this week's episode will be awesome!
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [2]
by Forest Shepherd Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:27 am
That's one heavy-looking spear he's wielding! The head seems far too large to allow quick movement.
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...And yeah I suppose that's what she said.
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...And yeah I suppose that's what she said.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [2]
by Eldorion Mon Jun 02, 2014 5:10 am
Didn't get to watch the whole episode tonight but someone posted the fight on YouTube and holy. Fucking. Shit. They nailed it.
Edit: I'm not gonna describe it even in generalities because I know Mrs Figg would click on a spoiler bar, but goddamn. What a show.
Edit: I'm not gonna describe it even in generalities because I know Mrs Figg would click on a spoiler bar, but goddamn. What a show.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [2]
by chris63 Mon Jun 02, 2014 5:45 am
Gona watch it tonight hopefully
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [2]
by Forest Shepherd Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:53 am
I can't seem to find it on youtube, curses.
I will have to see it tomorrow night, instead of the usual Wodensday!
I will have to see it tomorrow night, instead of the usual Wodensday!
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [2]
by Mrs Figg Mon Jun 02, 2014 5:20 pm
Eldorion wrote:Didn't get to watch the whole episode tonight but someone posted the fight on YouTube and holy. Fucking. Shit. They nailed it.
Edit: I'm not gonna describe it even in generalities because I know Mrs Figg would click on a spoiler bar, but goddamn. What a show.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [2]
by Bluebottle Mon Jun 02, 2014 5:50 pm
Eldorion wrote:Didn't get to watch the whole episode tonight but someone posted the fight on YouTube and holy. Fucking. Shit. They nailed it.
Edit: I'm not gonna describe it even in generalities because I know Mrs Figg would click on a spoiler bar, but goddamn. What a show.
I was a bit uncertain as to how well they would manage to adapt it. That eases my mind no end, Eldo.
Quite looking forward to it now. To the degree one can look forward to it, I guess. *sigh*
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [2]
by Bluebottle Mon Jun 02, 2014 5:50 pm
Speaking of which, I found this fan theory quite amusing. It's certainly compelling.
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http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/67678-oberyn-poisoned-tywin/
Did Oberyn poison Tywin?
saw this topic on Reddit today:
http://www.reddit.co...d_viper_poison/
Links to this:
http://boiledleather...ad-man-shittingTywin Lannister: Dead Man Shitting?
“Where will I find my lord father?”
“In the solar with Lord Tyrell and Prince Oberyn.”
Mace Tyrell and the Red Viper breaking bread together? Strange and stranger.
—Jaime and Ser Meryn Trant, upon Jaime’s return to King’s Landing
“Widow’s blood, this one is called, for the color. A cruel potion. It shuts down a man’s bladder and bowels, until he drowns in his own poisons.”
—Grand Maester Pycelle, during Tyrion’s trial
“To be sure, I have much to thank your sister for. If not for her accusation at the feast, it might well be you judging me instead of me judging you.” The prince’s eyes were dark with amusement. “Who knows more of poison than the Red Viper of Dorne, after all?”
[…]
“Your father,” said Prince Oberyn, “may not live forever.”
Something about the way he said it made the hairs on the back of Tyrion’s neck bristle. Suddenly he was mindful of Elia again, and all that Oberyn had said as they crossed the field of ashes. He wants the head that spoke the words, not just the hand that swung the sword. “It is not wise to speak such treasons in the Red Keep, my prince. The little birds are listening.”
“Let them. Is it treason to say a man is mortal? Valar morghulis was how they said it in Valyria of old. All men must die. And the Doom came and proved it true.”
—Prince Oberyn Martell and Tyrion, in Tyrion’s cell
He found his father where he knew he’d find him, seated in the dimness of the privy tower, bedrobe hiked up around his hips.
[…]
For once, his father did what Tyrion asked him. The proof was the sudden stench, as his bowels loosened in the moment of death. Well, he was in the right place for it, Tyrion thought. But the stink that filled the privy gave ample evidence that the oft-repeated jape about his father was just another lie.
Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold.
—from Tyrion’s assassination of Tywin during his escape from the black cells
The King’s Hand was rotting visibly. His face had taken on a greenish tinge, and his eyes were deeply sunken, two black pits. Fissures had opened in his cheeks, and a foul white fluid was seeping through the joints of his splendid gold-and-crimson armor to pool beneath his body.
[…]
Red-eyed and pale, Cersei climbed the steps to kneel above their father, drawing Tommen down beside her. The boy recoiled at the sight, but his mother seized his wrist before he could pull away.“Pray,” she whispered, and Tommen tried. But he was only eight and Lord Tywin was a horror. One desperate breath of air, then the king began to sob.“Stop that!” Cersei said. Tommen turned his head and doubled over, retching. His crown fell off and rolled across the marble floor. His mother pulled back in disgust, and all at once the king was running for the doors, as fast as his eight-year-old legs could carry him.
“Ser Osmund, relieve me,” Jaime said sharply, as Kettleblack turned to chase the crown. He handed the man the golden sword and went after his king. In the Hall of Lamps he caught him, beneath the eyes of two dozen startled septas. “I’m sorry,” Tommen wept. “I will do better on the morrow. Mother says a king must show the way, but the smell made me sick.”
This will not do. Too many eager ears and watching eyes.“Best we go outside, Your Grace.” Jaime led the boy out to where the air was as fresh and clean as King’s Landing ever got. Twoscore gold cloaks had been posted around the plaza to guard the horses and the litters. He took the king off to the side, well away from everyone, and sat him down upon the marble steps. “I wasn’t scared,” the boy insisted. “The smell made me sick. Didn’t it make you sick? How could you bear it, Uncle, ser?”
—Jaime, Cersei, and Tommen, during Tywin’s funeral.
I’m just saying: means, motive, opportunity.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [2]
by Bluebottle Mon Jun 02, 2014 5:56 pm
This is also quite amusing, though, I would say, a lot less plausible.
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http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/104527-howland-reed-high-septon/Is Howland Reed the High Septon?
This is one of my super crackpot theories. When I thought of this I laughed for a while. Then I thought I should pen it down. If you expect a fool-proof theory stop reading right now.
In the books, we have met three High Septons so far. The first was killed in a riot (ACOK). The second High Septon was smothered in his sleep (AFFC). And since then, there has been a new High Septon in Kings Landing.
Election
There is little we know of the current High Septon. The person who occupies the position of the High Septon is usually elected. However this High Septon seems to have got the position without any formal election process, just with the support of the sparrows.
Qyburn’s whisperers claimed that Septon Luceon had been nine votes from elevation when those doors had given way, and the sparrows came pouring into the Great Sept with their leader on their shoulders and their axes in their hands.
Anointing the King
When Aegon the Conqueror first came to Westeros, the High Septon locked himself within the Starry Sept of Oldtown and prayed for seven days and seven nights. When he emerged from prayer, he anointed Aegon as the true King in Oldtown. This tradition of anointing the King by the High Septon was carried on since the days of Aegon the Conqueror. However, the new High Septon has not performed the ritual of blessing Tommen as the King. Much to Cersei’s discomfort. Even though this is merely a ritual, it is an important event in the eyes of the common people.
“He feeds them, coddles them, blesses them. Yet will not bless the king.” The blessing was an empty ritual, she knew, but rituals and ceremonies had power in the eyes of the ignorant. Aegon the Conqueror himself had dated the start of his realm from the day the High Septon anointed him in Oldtown. (Cersei: AFFC)
When Cersei asks the High Septon on why he failed to bless Tommen as King, he replies that ‘the hour is not yet ripe’.
[Cersei] “..and yet you have refused to bless King Tommen.”
[High Septon] “Your Grace is mistaken. We have not refused.”
[Cersei] “You have not come.”
“[High Septon]The hour is not yet ripe.” (Cersei: AFFC)
Could the High Septon be waiting for the true King?
It has been hard to figure the motivations of this character, who seems to have appeared out of nowhere. Is he working with Varys or another player?
Who is this High Septon?
When Cersei meets the High Septon, she describes him as a short man, thin as a broom handle (reed thin?), with a grey and brown beard that is closely trimmed and his hair tied in a knot. His face was sharply pointed, and his eyes as ‘brown as mud’.
“He is cleaning the floor.” The speaker was shorter than the queen by several inches and as thin as a broom handle. “Work is a form of prayer, most pleasing to the Smith.” He stood, scrub brush in hand. “Your Grace. We have been expecting you.”
The man’s beard was grey and brown and closely trimmed, his hair tied up in a hard knot behind his head. Though his robes were clean, they were frayed and patched as well. He had rolled his sleeves up his elbows as he scrubbed, but below the knees the cloth was soaked and sodden. His face was sharply pointed, with deep-set eyes as brown as mud. His feet are bare, she saw with dismay. They were hideous as well, hard and horny things, thick with callus. “You are His High Holiness?” (Cersei: AFFC)
When Brienne heads to Duskendale from Rosby, she meets a septon who has a similar description to the High Septon. This man asks Brienne and her companions to join the sparrows headed to King’s Landing
The septon had a lean sharp face and a short beard, grizzled grey and brown. His thin hair was pulled back and knotted behind his head, and his feet were bare and black, gnarled and hard as tree roots. (Brienne: AFFC)
The physical description of the High Septon reminds me of crannogmen. When Bran meets Meera and Jojen in Winterfell he notices how the Reeds were short of stature. Meera is short, slim, and has her brown hair knotted behind her.
As the newcomers walked the length of the hall, Bran saw that one was indeed a girl [Meera], though he would never have known it by her dress. She wore lambskin breeches soft with long use, and a sleeveless jerkin armored in bronze scales. Though near Robb’s age, she was slim as a boy, with long brown hair knotted behind her head and only the barest suggestion of breasts.
Her brother was several years younger and bore no weapons. All his garb was green, even to the leather of his boots, and when he came closer Bran saw that his eyes were the color of moss, though his teeth looked as white as anyone else’s. Both Reeds were slight of build, slender as swords and scarcely taller than Bran himself. (Bran: ACOK)
Taena Merryweather tells Cersei that the High Septon was born with filth beneath his fingernails. If he were born in the swampy marshes of the Neck that would not be surprising. Could the High Septon be a crannogman, one we already know?
[Taena] “My lord husband tells me this new one was born with filth beneath his fingernails.” (Cersei: AFFC)
Motives
When the High Septon meets Cersei, she complains about the filth at the Great Sept of Baelor due to the sparrows. Surprisingly, the High Septon tells Cersei that the stains of Ned Stark’s execution could never be cleansed off the Great Sept of Baelor, even if the dirt and grime brought by the sparrows could be washed away.
They are common, we agree on that much. “Have you seen what they have done to Blessed Baelor’s statue? They befoul the plaza with their pigs and goats and night soil.”
“Night soil can be washed away more easily than blood, Your Grace. If the plaza was befouled, it was befouled by the execution that was done here.”
He dares throw Ned Stark in my face? “We all regret that. Joffrey was young, and not as wise as he might have been. Lord Stark should have been beheaded elsewhere, out of respect for Blessed Baelor… but the man was a traitor, let us not forget.”
“King Baelor forgave those who conspired against him.” (Cersei: AFFC)
This High Septon seems to have a strange fondness for Ned Stark, even though Ned Stark kept the Old Gods. Maybe cause he is Ned’s old friend, Howland Reed.
It is strange to see that there has been no sign of Howland Reed so far. The last we know is Robb Stark asking his two messengers (Maege Mormont and Galbert Glover) to deliver a message to Howland Reed, and have Howland send him guides to help his army navigate through the bogs. When Glover asks Robb if Howland would fail him, he replies that the crannongman would never fail him.
Galbart Glover rubbed his mouth. “There are risks. If the crannogmen should fail you…”
“We will be no worse than before. But they will not fail. My father knew the worth of Howland Reed.” (Catelyn: ASOS)
We also know that the message Robb sent to Howland Reed was highly significant. Whether Howland Reed received this letter is something we don’t know for certain. Another letter of interest is the letter Ned Stark wrote before his execution. We don’t know if that letter was intended for Howland Reed either.
When Bran recalls what he had been taught about crannogmen, he remembers that crannogmen never fight in open battles. They are called a cowardly people because they hide from their foes.
He tried to recall all he had been taught of the crannogmen, who dwelt amongst the bogs of the Neck and seldom left their wetlands. They were a poor folk, fishers and frog-hunters who lived in houses of thatch and woven reeds on floating islands hidden in the deeps of the swamp. It was said that they were a cowardly people who fought with poisoned weapons and preferred to hide from foes rather than face them in open battle. And yet Howland Reed had been one of Father’s staunchest companions during the war for King Robert’s crown, before Bran was born. (Bran: ACOK)
I don’t think we will see Howland Reed raise an army of crannogmen, and head to King’s Landing. Nor will we see him in open battle. I think Howland Reed plans to avenge the Starks, and also get to the bottom of what is really happening at King’s Landing. As High Septon, whatever punishment he metes out to Cersei, is one she must accept. (Her ‘walk of shame’ punishment eerily reminiscent of the way her Lord father Tywin Lannister had once stripped his father’s mistress naked, and paraded her across Lannisport.)
By abolishing the law that prevents the Faith Militant from taking up arms, Howland (as High Septon) has a bigger army (The Faith Militant) than the Lannisters do at King’s Landing currently. When Jaime left for the Riverlands, he took the greater part of the Lannister host with him.
“The new High Septon has revived them. He’s sent out a call for worthy knights to pledge their lives and swords to the service of the Seven. The Poor Fellows are to be restored as well.” (Jaime: AFFC)
Howland Reed as High Septon is the most powerful man in King’s Landing right now. And I think he has a few tricks lined up his sleeve while he makes the Lannisters pay their debts, and prepares the way to reveal the true heir of Rhaegar Targaryen.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [2]
by Eldorion Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:47 pm
Figgs: 
Blue: I was worried they'd make a weird change for no reason that would throw me off since the book passage resonated so much with me, but they depicted it almost literally. I was very impressed. Pedro Pascal has been fantastic, too. He might not look like the book's description of Oberyn but he completely owns the role. The new Mountain is pretty good too, though I don't recall much about the previous ones.
Blue: I was worried they'd make a weird change for no reason that would throw me off since the book passage resonated so much with me, but they depicted it almost literally. I was very impressed. Pedro Pascal has been fantastic, too. He might not look like the book's description of Oberyn but he completely owns the role. The new Mountain is pretty good too, though I don't recall much about the previous ones.
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- I saw that Tywin theory recently, and I was really skeptical at first, but it kind of makes sense given the continual emphasis on how massively smelly his shit was. Even considering how feces-crazy GRRM is, it's a weird thing to emphasize otherwise.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [2]
by Lancebloke Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:01 am
Both theories are interesting. The Tywin theory makes some sense otherwise Oberyn's comments don't make sense.
The second one is also the kind of thing Martin would weave in. Also, we don't seem to have seen Varys for a while (unless he turns up in part 2 of book 5 that I haven't read yet) and he must be hiding out somewhere.
The second one is also the kind of thing Martin would weave in. Also, we don't seem to have seen Varys for a while (unless he turns up in part 2 of book 5 that I haven't read yet) and he must be hiding out somewhere.
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