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I would really like to see the White Hart jumping over the black river. I think its meant to be Thranduil in disguise, in the film.

I have read that somewhere too Figg- Thranduil is the Hart. And from what I have heard else where, based on one of the film companion books I believe, there is no boat, they try to cross by swinging on vines or some such silliness.

Radagast is a moth, Thranduil is a deer ... what's the over-under on Dain's boar actually being his spirit form or some shit?

Pettytyrant101 wrote:I have read that somewhere too Figg- Thranduil is the Hart. And from what I have heard else where, based on one of the film companion books I believe, there is no boat, they try to cross by swinging on vines or some such silliness.

Oh myyy gaaaawwwwddd!

Pettytyrant101 wrote:they try to cross by swinging on vines or some such silliness.

Oh of course! What was I thinking?  
Jackson's First Law:
Never pass up an opportunity to dangle people.

 

  

Edit: Hey, where'd your monkeys go?  

they swung off to find bananas   

David H wrote:Jackson's First Law:
Never pass up an opportunity to dangle people.

We should have known years ago.

but that dangling is legit, its in the book.

In the book he just falls, no dangling. The "fly, you fools" line is yelled as he's falling, not whispered just before letting go.

but it would look silly onscreen. It would be like,

FLYYOUFOOOOOLLLLLZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz *thump*

Eldorion wrote:Radagast is a moth, Thranduil is a deer ... what's the over-under on Dain's boar actually being his spirit form or some shit?

Radagast is a moth? Is that implied or is that said somewhere?

Mrs Figg wrote:but it would look silly onscreen. It would be like,

FLYYOUFOOOOOLLLLLZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz *thump*

Yep, one change not worth quibbling about.

Tinuviel wrote:Radagast is a moth? Is that implied or is that said somewhere?

Just a fan theory, but one I'm partial too.

halfwise wrote:Yep, one change not worth quibbling about.

The only reason it's ever bugged me is that it turns Gandalf's fall into something deliberate as he has the chance to at least try to clamber out, but he doesn't take it.

But he cant, the Balrog has his whip round his leg and is dragging Gandalf down with the weight of the creature. I dont care about the nitpickery of exactly the Balrogs weight vs Wizard, or the tensile strength of Balrogian whips vs Wizard leg sinew, this is what it looks like onscreen to the casual observer with no beef.

Eldorion wrote:

halfwise wrote:Yep, one change not worth quibbling about.

The only reason it's ever bugged me is that it turns Gandalf's fall into something deliberate as he has the chance to at least try to clamber out, but he doesn't take it.

It also sets up the Sam/Frodo dangle at Mt Doom. There's no doubt it's good crowdpleasing drama for the target audience in both cases, but for me the melodrama crosses the line into cheesiness, and it brings me out of the moment. I'm sorry. I wish it didn't, but I've just seen this exact scene too many times before.

yes the Frodo dangle teeters on the edge of cheese, but I understand why they did the Gandalf dangle.

Mrs Figg wrote:But he cant, the Balrog has his whip round his leg and is dragging Gandalf down with the weight of the creature. I dont care about the nitpickery of exactly the Balrogs weight vs Wizard, or the tensile strength of Balrogian whips vs Wizard leg sinew, this is what it looks like onscreen to the casual observer with no beef.

I'm gonna have to disagree here.  It looks pretty clear to me that the whip does not remain looped around Gandalf's foot for more than a second, and clearly detaches while the Balrog continues to fall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGjSoL97yQY#t=2m5s

I was bothered by the tensile strength of whips, etc...but if it lets loose I suppose the reason he fell is sweaty palms?

(put it looked like he got snatched down from the speed that he disappeared)

The problem is not so much Gandalf couldnt pull his own body weight back up, its that no one rescues him, like they all know he is supposed to go in now because thats how the script goes, and so they better wait for it to happen, they even have time to stop Frodo trying to help.
They could just have reached out a hand and pulled him back up, there was enough time for Gandalf to scrabble about, stare at them all get their emotional response and then speak a whole sentence.   

Pettytyrant101 wrote:The problem is not so much Gandalf couldnt pull his own body weight back up, its that no one rescues him, like they all know he is supposed to go in now because thats how the script goes, and so they better wait for it to happen, they even have time to stop Frodo trying to help.
They could just have reached out a hand and pulled him back up, there was enough time for Gandalf to scrabble about, stare at them all get their emotional response and then speak a whole sentence.   

dont be daft. If Gandalf doesnt fall he cant become Gandalf the White.

Yes but the characters in the film shouldnt be acting as if they know that.   

If he is going to dangle there that long they are going to try to pull him up before he falls- that's only sense- the only reason they dont is because the script says not to- and that's lousy writing however you cut it.

Gandalf told them to fly. I think he meant it. Aragorns first duty was protecting Frodo, shit was hitting the fan, its perfectly logical.