Waiting for 'The Battle of the Five Armies'...

I want that trailer naaaaaaao!!!!!!!!

My thoughts on the most recent news:           :                     

At this point I don't even have the enthusiasm to be properly crabbit.

fan made trailer

the simpsons one is brilliant (funky town )

Tinuviel wrote:All of that sounds so STUPID! Especially the galadriel crap. Maybe she's given a bigger role because of the lack of women

Well she presumably played a significant role in the events at Dol Guldur as Tolkien envisioned them, though there wasn't a major battle and even if there was it's unlikely Galadriel would have been on or near the front lines.

I'm just wondering which battle they're referring to, since I thought Dol Guldur was smooshed into the BOFA, though according to PJ she and Sauron have a show down, which I'm kind if excited for!

I could cry ! I thought something was up with my PC, I tried everything in the book to get sound out so I could hear vids etc. Nothing, not a squeak. Then I found out my pesky little kitten had chewed thru the headphone wires,    Durrr !

Time for a new hat!

Nooooo, dont like that picture at all   If that was a poster at my bus stop I wouldnt give it a 2nd glance. Doesnt have any Tolkien feel at all ! Might suit some cheesy fluff summer let down film but,... not The Hobbit.

Tinuviel wrote:I'm just wondering which battle they're referring to, since I thought Dol Guldur was smooshed into the BOFA, though according to PJ she and Sauron have a show down, which I'm kind if excited for!

They've described Dol Guldur as being a battle, but since Sauron has sent his main force towards Erebor, I'm expecting it to be of secondary importance. Maybe something along the lines of the sacking of Isengard next to the Battle of Helm's Deep.

New interview with Jackson:

http://www.deadline.com/2014/07/peter-jackson-the-hobbit-stanley-kubrick-the-beatles/

You brought to life JRR Tolkien’s creation. It’s his, but haven’t you earned the right to stake your own creative residence claim, and keep telling stories from Middle Earth, even original stories?

Any thoughts Petty?

After he died, his son Christopher Tolkien rummaged through all his father’s archives and found all this material he thought was worthy of publication. The one everybody knows is The Silmarillion, which his father wrote in pieces, some while he sat in the trenches of the First World War.

Firstly I find the image of C.Tolkien madly tearing through his father's archives with Dollar signs in his eyes, kinda hilarious, secondly he published The Silmarillion, because his father asked him to, thirdly virtually none of Tolkien's mythology was written 'in the trenches' (I was actually quite surprised to learn the other day, Tolkien only served in France for five months in WW1, only a small proportion of which seems to be heavy combat) and fourthly, yeah it's the one everyone knows, except Phillpa Boyens apparently....

yeah, true, actually almost nothing got written during WWI, he worked on communication, and saw the trenches ones. we was sick twice i think, and probably then doodled down some ideas, but nothing that can be called "writing a bit of silmarillion". he got the idea or perhaps the taste of the mythology around that time, but it wasn't until after the war he really started writing and stuff. the runes (and language part) had been an interest of his since childhood and was something he did before WWI, but to say he wrote it.. naah, that's stretching it. however, the war did leave it's mark on Tolkien. Even though he didn't see a lot of battle, he did see it and as we know, but perhaps not fully can comprehend, that the WWI was hell. air raids (yes there were such in the first one too) and the smell, i believe he wrote in a letter something about a man being stuck in water with only his head over, going slightly mad as the days went on until he died. Tolkien also lost two of his four closest friends, his fellowship. one can say alot about LOTR and it being about religion, but in reality it is about evil, the physical evil (orcs) and the not so touchable evil of greed and control etc. about the industrial world growing, destroying beautiful things, the shire being a sort of representative for his childhood years on the countryside. also the evil/enemy that is almost out of your control, air raids and the fear (aka. nazgûls). so i'll leave it with that. no, he didn't write the silmarillion during world war one, but it had a huge impact on him during the rest of his writing.

(so that's a short version of my in depth study of 20 minutes presentation)

Wow! That was really great Norc!! I thought all four of his friends died? They were all in that little group (can't remember what it's called...) but I guess that could be another false fact!

i've removed all my school documents on this computer (since i am done!) so i don't remember exaclty, it was something like B.C.C.S or B.C.R.S ...or somethign.. it was short for something, i wish i remembered. it's not the inklings though, they were later (the one with C.S Lewis).

but yes, only two died, they met later and wrote to each other (the bio i read was based on letters) and they kinda stayed in touch, but things were obvoiusly never the same. they had described themselves as feelin invincible when they were together. they had a common love for.. oh god what was it again, i think it was poems, not sure, but they were five very different men. Tolkien was more interested in language and liguistics (is that the words of it?) and one of them were for literature and art, but there was also a mathematician/science guys, so they were all very different and had their different areas, anyhow they were very good friends and had lively conversations in the library and stuff. when the guy who was interested in litterature died (it's a shame this project now is not on this cmputer, i have it somewhere, i could've given you names and everything) he felt he had to not stop and carry on and write and because of him, he inspired tolkien a lot in his love for writing and poetry, Tolkien started writing for real, creating poetry

edit: the club was called T.C.B.S.,Tea Club and Barrovian Society

Peter Jackson saying that Tolkien was "writing in the trenches" makes WWI sound like a leisurely affair.

yeah, it's totally wrong. he started the book of lost tales (sort of) when laying on the hospital bed during/after his service in the first world war, and his writing is also a sort of effect of the war, with his friend dying and him feeling he had to carry on for his sake but i think also because war does something with a person in the way that you need to find another focus in life, an escape from reality, and creating middle earth is just that. an alternative society were the good wins in the end (yes, we won over the germans in both wars, but to tolkien we didn't really win everything as the industrializing just kept on and machines took man's place in compat).

Norc wrote:yeah, it's totally wrong. he started the book of lost tales (sort of) when laying on the hospital bed during/after his service in the first world war, and his writing is also a sort of effect of the war, with his friend dying and him feeling he had to carry on for his sake but i think also because war does something with a person in the way that you need to find another focus in life, an escape from reality, and creating middle earth is just that. an alternative society were the good wins in the end (yes, we won over the germans in both wars, but to tolkien we didn't really win everything as the industrializing just kept on and machines took man's place in compat).

Have you read 'Tolkien and The Great War' by John Garth?

http://www.johngarth.co.uk/php/tolkien_and_the_great_war.php


It (as the title states) explores Tolkien's war service and his friendship with the TCBS in the 1910-20's, it's a very interesting (if wordy) book and complements Carpenter's Biography really well. From memory (haven't read it in a while) Garth also spends alot of time talking about Tolkien's early writings (including the Book of Lost Tales-'The Fall of Gondolin seems very clearly influenced by The Battle of The Somme) and prints a few of Tolkien's rare/unpublished poems.

no, i haven't read that one, perhaps i should thanx ^^

Norc wrote:no, i haven't read that one, perhaps i should thanx ^^

You can probably pick up a English Language version very cheap on Amazon if you are interested, in my humble opinion it's the second best book I've read on Tolkien (after The Road To Middle Earth), but it is a bit of the dense side, defintely not for casual fans, as it focuses almost entirely on the BOLT (of earlier) versions of the Mythology.

It's either that or pop tarts...

haha, we'll see, i can wish for it for my birthday or something, either that or pop-tarts

That was really interesting Norc, I liked reading the way you put it. Its to easy to pick up a book & read it but, when someone recites as you did it makes it more real than just words.

ok, so i know most of you kinda hate the Tauriel character, for various reasons it be the character itself or the reason she was added, but you can't blame Evangeline Lily. I personally dislike the kick-ass strong female character and that love triangle and, especially the healing thing, but i don't really hate that character (or the actor) because i really see the need for that character. anyhow, back to Lily. what she said about female characters, i thnk we should have her voice and opinion in mind





the question being asked was:
What were your inspirations, especially since [Tauriel] is a completely created character; what brought you to bring that power because there were a lot of ways you could have played that role that would have been along the lines of what we usually see for a girl in an action movie where she’s not in the adventure, she’s the prize…?