Doctor Who [6]

Agree its very much an ok episode- nothing wrong with it and nothing that special- nice bit of camaraderie between the two main leads however. Does bother me the Doctor is so naive about everyday human life though- the 11th doesn't seem to remember much of all that time he spent stuck on earth as the 3rd Doctor (it was about 700 years ago mind you) but you'd think on a 1970's army base he would have encountered football before.

Have you seen the 'sequel' episode Closing Time reuniting Craig and the Doctor?

No wonder you didnt like Amy and Rory Mrs Figg you seem to have missed out some rather crucial episodes regard those two, as well as watched them all out of order.

Im actually not a huge fan of the Hungry Earth two parter but it has its moments and some good performances. Very 3rd Doctor feel too it and thats no mistake as it was the 3rd Doctor who first encountered the Silurians (but in a better story).
And yup shades of Quatermass, but thats ok as the two shows have a history- did you know the main character in last series episde Hide was supposed to be Quatermass but they couldnt sort the rights out in time. Shame that, wouldnt have changed a thing story wise but would have been a nice touch to old scifi fans like me!

Interesting Chris-

Spoiler:

What about the episode where Rose swaps with Cassandra and large parts of the episode then revolve around her cleavage and how many ways they can shoot her either bending over gyrating and running her hands over her own body, or from above?

Spoiler:

Well how am I to know you only watched half of it if you dont say that?   That is so typically, female.
Im not a mind reader, and if I were I wouldnt read a womans mind anyway- bloody confusing enough looking in from the outside Eru knows what its like from the inside looking out!  
And I wasnt very spoilery anyway- nothing you couldnt have easily worked out or that isnt in the coming next bit at the end of ep 1- and the really important spoilery stuff in this one I havent mentioned at all.

the Moffat/writer thing was supposed to be funny not serious- Figg

Well lets be honest when it comes to Moffat you are more often sarcastic than not, especially in relation to the subject of Amy's skirt length, so you can hardly blame me for assuming you were being so again.  

Bloody hell where to start!

Right, first I am overjoyed Mrs Figg you are warming to Matt, I have honestly never understood how someone could not appreciate his performance, it is to me like saying Bach wasn't very good at composing.
And even in your critique of Pandorcia/Big Bang you make conciliatory nods to stuff you do like, and I just want you to know thats not appreciated at all!  It was much easier for me when you were stubbornly obstinate, now I have to put some work in to countering some of your points!  

My main thing I object to, in order of severity, that you say against Pandorica is this one-

"Basically they made it up as they went along and it was shit."

Particularly the first bit, as your entitled to think what you like about the result.
The ending is set up from the very beginning, with the crack in the wall and the effect it has across Amy's life time, especially with regards to her memory and its ability to directly effect the real universe, a theme built up across the entirety of series 5 in episodes like the Angels two parter, Vincent and the Doctor.
and the TARDIS being the source of the explosion is revealed as the cliffhanger to the Hungry Earth/Cold Blood episodes.
And a scene form the finale takes place during the Angels two parter, half a series earlier.
Not to mention all the other themes that coalesce around the final episodes.

It also does make internal sense within the logic of the show that has been presented. And no point does it break Who rules of story telling. There is reason for everything including the paradox given in the script.

Which incidentally brings you into this Dave for this,

"The internal logic felt like a house of cards that would topple at the slightest inspection."

Perhaps either or both of you could give some examples of where you felt it was being thrown together or the internal logic was flawed, as you may just have missed something (I know I did first couple of viewings), as one complaint you have Mrs Figg I agree with it is jam packed (but then it also moves along very quickly which is good). It could maybe have done with being their first three parter.

Right next in order of wrongness!

"trite dialogue"

Given this has one of my all time favourite Who scenes in it, and its entirely dialogue based I cant agree.
Matts delivery and Moffats writing for his speech beside Amelia's bed is in my view stunning from all angles.
I already loved Matts' interpretation, but this was the scene that really sold me on their being an truly ancient soul behind that youthful face.
All the weight of the Doctor's years come out in his face somehow, and the dialogue matches the performance and informs it.
And for me Moffat handles expertly and better than most Who writes the balance of entertaining all his age groups at once.
If you can find me a kid who doesn't love all the fez stuff and some of the sillier aspects you will have discovered the worlds dullest child.

I agree with you both that young Amy is excellent, I think she is in every appearance she makes in the series.

Ah that felt good. Thanks Figgs!