UK in/out referendum on the EU (Brexit vs Bremain)

{{{ Corbyn is an arsehole!! 

The SNP have been pushing Labour to call vote of no confidence in the government in order to force a general election. Why get Labour to do it and not do it themselves?
Well the SNP could do it themselves, but then the government can just ignore them and not table any time for a no confidence vote. But thanks to the quirks of Parliamentarily rules if Labour, as the official opposition party do it, the government has to by law allow the vote. They have to make time for it. Hence why the SNP having been trying to persuade Labour to do the right thing.

So what does Corbyn do? He calls for a vote of no confidence in the PM, not the govenrment. This doesn't meet the rules to have a vote, as its not a no confidence in the government just one person so May, rather obviously, just batted it away refusing to allow the vote calling it 'silly political games.'

Corbyn is such an indecisive waverer- to afraid to do the right thing in fear of upsetting too many of his own voters who voted Brexit, but rather he do nothing than these pathetic gestures to try to look like he is doing something when he knows full well it will be utterly ineffectual. It's a pathetic waste of time.
SNP, Lib-dems. Welsh Nationalists and Greens are all trying to keep the pressure on him to actually act and declare no confidence in the government.
It remains to be seen if Corbyn can step up to the plate this time. Though ther eare no signs he will, or that if he does he will have been pressured into it.

And as of today in gloomy news the government are making preparations for a no deal exit. You know the thing May told us would be a disaster for the country? Now she is planning for it. }}}

Sounds like you have USA style gridlock. We've tried torpedoing it with Trump to no avail.

{{Corbyn is increasingly pathetic, now he has delayed the vote he wont get on no confidence in May until January, on the same day he gave an interview in the morning berating May for delaying the Brexit vote until January! Its unbelievable.

And if things dont seem bad enough the government seems to be expecting things to get worse, a lot worse-  }}

'Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson has told MPs that 3,500 military personnel, including logisticians and engineers as well as infantry units, were ready to be deployed... About 10% of the force would be reservists who will receive their call up papers in the middle of January so that if needed they would be ready in March'- BBC

yeah no deal brexit is not going to happen, its project fear. there is no way Parliament will allow no deal.
agree about Corbyn he needs to bugger off and let Starmer take over.

{{The opposition parties (excluding Labour of course), led by the SNP, have tabled a motion of no confidence in the govenrment- it won't get anywhere as it has no legal bite but that's not its point- its to try to shame Labour into action- not Corbyn, he is obviously a lost cause too afraid to act and to indecisive to know in which way to act, no this is aimed squarely at Labour backbenchers who are likewise unhappy in the hopes of provoking an internal revolt in Labour that will force the Labour leaderships hand.

And continued worrying sounding no deal news-

'The Public Accounts Committee of MPs says the government has not done enough to secure the supply of medical equipment in a no-deal scenario.'- BBC

And May is holding a summit with thee devolved administrations to persuade them to back her Brexit plan! Where is she holding it? London of course!

'Ahead of the summit, Mrs May said she was "confident that what we have agreed delivers for the whole of the UK".
She said: "This deal honours the result of the referendum - taking back control of our money, laws and borders, protecting jobs and livelihoods, and freeing the UK to strike new trade deals with countries around the world.
"That's why it is more important than ever that the devolved administrations get behind this deal and listen to businesses and industry bodies across all four nations who have been clear that it provides the certainty they need."- BBC

And in response Sturgeon has said this-

'"It would be unforgiveable if Theresa May was trying to run down the clock to Brexit day. She must immediately inform the EU that she will seek their approval for an extension of Article 50 if MPs reject her deal in January.
"This will allow time for an alternative way forward to be found, preferably another referendum on EU membership
"With 100 days to go before the UK is due to leave the EU, the UK government must stop threatening the disaster of no-deal, and start putting people's jobs and living standards first."- BBC

Somehow dont think Scottish, Welsh or NI parliaments are going to play ball with May at this 'summit' }}

{{Well this happened during part of the debate in Parliament, this will be the Tory demonstrating just how Scotland is an equal and respected partner and of course remember, we are better together!-




and why the Speaker did not intervene and get the Tory MP to retract the comment I dont know- smart of Blackford to repeat it though, as then it will entered into the official Hansard records for all prosperity }}

Bastard Tory lying fake news bollox!

He said "stupid people" I saw him say it for fucks sake.

{{I'm no lip reading expert but looks like 'people' to me, not 'woman', and added to that he is scanning his head side to side taking in the jeering Tory benches in front of him so in context 'people' makes more sense. }}

I expect the Tories to start up the anti-Semitism bollox any time soon. They are desperate to deflect blame. Meanwhile a homeless man was found dead in front of Westminster, says it all really.

in out, in out
they are fucking all about
they call a referendum and it lands us in the shit
thanks alot cameron, you tory cowardly git

{{Well its the big day for Brexit. Parliament votes on May's plan today!
She has delayed it, she has tried haggling even with Labour unions for backing, and she has begged Europe for changes and got not much more than a firming up of words, nothing legally altered or binding.
So will she lose as predicted? Will her own backbenchers stab her in the back? Or will Parliament blink at the prospect of No Deal Brexit or of no Brexit at all? Find out soon. }}

{{{Good luck, UK! }}}

shits going down

{{Expect the proper main voting to start about 8pm GMT- officially its 7pm but there are 3 or 4 amendments the Speaker has allocated first giving 15 minutes on each. Of those the two with the biggest potential to derail things probably will lose- a Labour amendment to scrap the Breit deal altogether, so no vote at all, and a Tory backbencher vote to give the UK the power to end the backstop should it come into force (this will get backing from a lot of Tories, the DUP certainly, and possibly a few Labour MP's in Brexit constituencies, but I dont think it will get enough to pass either, but its got a better chance than the Labour amendment does.

So by about 9pm at latest hopefully we will have a result one way or another. }}

my biggest problem with everything at the moment is fuqiing Corbyn. he seems to want to go back to Brussels for a shiny new fluffy Labour brexit. its laughable, but its dangerous because that means he hasn't listened to anyone from the remainer side, like Keir Starmer. Corbyn might be worse than May.

{{{ Agreed on Corbyn Figg- his plan is clear enough- whip his party to vote against any government deal, when she loses the vote demand she call a general election, if she doesn't force a vote of no confidence in the government and get a general election that way.
Which is fine if all he wants to do is grab power- but there is no indication what he would do once he got power- Labour have no more a solution to the NI question than the Tories do. His current solution is just to stay in the customs union but that effectively makes it not Brexit as voted for as it would tie the UK's hands when it comes to making our own trade deals and when it came to UK courts being supreme over the European Court and independent trade deals and sovereignty are the two main things the Brexit side want. So the division is no less in Labour than in the Tories- I dont see what good forcing a general election does here or what difference it will actually make to the Brexit debate. It will though delay everything even longer dragging out the process, the costs, spooking the markets and continuing the lack of any sort of proper governance at Westminster whilst they all stay stuck in the Brexit bun fight.   }}

{{{ Things might move faster than expected- Labour and the SNP have decided not to put forward any amendments after-all so the vote should come sooner. }}

{{Only 1 amendment in the end- from a Tory got heavily defeated. So here we go- now the main vote- result in 10-15 mins! }}

{{And the results in!

May got hammered, biggest government defeat in modern history- 432 to 202what happens now is anyone's guess!
Expect May to make some sort of speech soon- but will it be defiance or resignation, or to call a general election?- who knows}}

{{Corbyn, as predicted, just announced he'd placed a motion of no confidence in the govenrment- vote tomorrow.
May so far has remained defiant in the chamber.
SNP announce they will be back Labour no confidence vote. }}

It's all a big fucking joke... surely! Someone is gonna come on the T.V. and let us know it was the most elaborate prank ever right.... right?

I don't want a second vote but if this bunch of fucking idiots can't sort it out then it should go back to the people with simple rules that the highest proportion carries for everyone (assuming 3 or more options meaning very likely a split country, just in more directions).

lets face it Corbyn will lose the no confidence vote, and a general election is pointless because he wouldn't win it, even though this is the worst Tory government in history, Corbyn would still lose. that's how bad it is. if Starmer took us to a general election we would win, but that's not going to happen. what a clusterfuck.

{{I honestly dont know what Corbyns game plan is- beyond get a general election- the no convenience debate is underway and as May just said- a general election will only cause more division, take up weeks of time where nothing else happens, and has no guarantee any party will come out of it with a workable majority.
But mainly it would change nothing as we dont know where Labour stand- as one Tory in the chamber just asked Corbyn, will he campaign to leave as he does in the NE of England, or remain, as he does when he is talking in London? He can't keep sitting on the fence sniping and trying to appeal to both sides, he needs an actual position and Labour dont have one. }}