UK in/out referendum on the EU (Brexit vs Bremain)

While a vote is binary, the combination of 2 votes is not.

People want to stay in the EU and so are voting for that.

People also wanted to stay part if the UK and voted for that.

When it comes down to whether to stay in the UK or the EU (if the options are exclusive) I am not sure what people would do....especially if the circumstances under which EU re-entry that may be required are unclear.

Also, stop painting me with the rest if the mainland UK. If recent votes say anything it is that the UK is split right down the middle.

Corbyn is a fucking disaster. They have just booted Alistair 'Tucker' Campbell out for voting Lib-Dem, well, if the epitome of Labour votes Lib-Dem its serious and there is a damn good reason.

While a vote is binary, the combination of 2 votes is not.- Lance

{{That's why I think the strategy will be a binary vote. She is playing on Scottish fears of right wing Tories. She will want to avoid too nuanced a position- for Independence but pro Brexit for example is an argument harder to make and sell. But vote for us and keep us away from the nasty Tory bogeyman is more likely to be a winner- even with Brexit supporting Scots.

'stop painting me with the rest if the mainland UK.'

It wasn't my intention and my apologies if it seemed so. If anything you're in London and statistically, as the other major part of the UK to have rejected Brexit, you'd be more likely to have voted against than for.

Figg- its hard to see how Corbyns still in power at all. It looked for along time like it was the moderates, the Blairites who would oust him but they lost, now its starting to look like its the very people who put him there, the party grassroots, his deputy etc who are getting sick of him first and might finally remove him.}}

{{ Two Scottish Labour MSP's have quit their positions in protest at Corbyn.

'Neil Findlay quit as Brexit spokesman and also said he would step down from Holyrood at the 2021 election.
Daniel Johnson later resigned as party justice spokesman, criticising Labour's "current direction and leadership".

And even those not quitting arent being subtle in pointing the finger-

'Johanna Baxter, a member of the Scottish party's executive committee, said the result was "a failure of leadership on the biggest issue facing our country for generations". }}

its a perfect storm, the worst Labour leader at the worst time.

.....Gordon Brown....

{{ I think Brown got a hard time, and a lot of short straws- he wasn't a people person, no arguing there, but he was intelligent and thoughtful. And his economics was sound, yeah he didn't see the global recession coming, but nor did anyone else, but his plant to get the western economies out of it was largely adopted world wide and he doesn't tend to get credit in the UK for that.
He did a lot of bad things too, like the gold sales,  and being a Tory patsy in the Scottish referendum with the Vow. But then the reason they picked him, apart from legal distance, was because he is till quite admired in Scotland. Certainly seen as a better man than Blair was for sure. He is seen as intelligent, well meaning but flawed, as opposed to actually out right evil and duplicitous like Blair.

Corbyn I think is far worse. A supposed mano f principles without the balls to voice or stand on his principles, whatever they are.
A life long opponent of Trident he leads a party with a pro-Trident stance.
Life long critic of the EU, but cant bring himself to back either side in the argument clearly.
Talks of serving the people but all he has done is play games to try to manipulate a general election for his own gain and power and done nothing to serve the people in finding a solution to Brexit.}}

{{ More signs things are not good at the top of Labour following the expulsion of Alistair Campbell.
With Tom Watson, Deputy Leader calling the decision, 'spiteful' and saying that Labour should be "listening rather than punishing".

He said-

"It is very clear that many thousands of Labour Party members voted for other parties last week.
They were disappointed with the position on Brexit [and] they were sending [the] message that our position lacked clarity, and they were right."
It is spiteful to resort to expulsions when [the party] should be listening to members.
We should be listening to members rather than punishing them."

We already know Watson has been trying to push Corbyn to support a 2nd referendum. But this is all out civil war at the top with the party Deputy hear accusing the leader of being spiteful and not having a clear policy. Either Corbyn is going to cave to his grassroots and his cabinet, or they are going to have to off him. }}

Off him!

{{ We can but hope! }}

Off him asap

Brown is a statesman and he is far more intelligent than Corbyn.

We have a recently defeated Labour Leader you guys can have.

Hello ! Id rather have a Koala bear sent over instead I think we have more than our fair share of bickering, back stabbing, double standard smack heads in Government at the moment

{{ Orwell! He cant be worse than Corbyn surely?

Maybe that koala is a better idea, I hear they only look cute but are in fact viscous little bastards- so assuming Gove or Boris for the Tories I'd rather like to see a koala set lose on either of them! }}

IL send a condolence bouquet of eucalyptus shoots/leaves to Number 10 pronto then

I don't care who it is as long as its not Raab or McVile. Talk about scraping the barrel

All I can say is that it is the first I ever voted against a party purely because of its leader... well, there was not much to vote for either way, I admit... but my detestation of a man was the straw... I voted for minor parties in the end...

Trump thinks Boris should be PM

Well, hop to it then!

Boris is the stuff of surreal nightmares but Farage...… Hes dangerous....very dangerous.

yep Farage is dangerous but Raab and McVile are worse. Farage is a conman a snake oil salesman, but those two are sociopaths.

Fuck We're doomed

{{ Whilst Trump is in the UK and sticking his oar into Brexit and the Tory leadership contest by praising Boris at every turn, as Boris is the only one to have ever said anything nice about him, this happened- hope Trump sees it }}

Australia did just re-elect a disastrous governments, with a PM who only got the role through a spiteful political coup. Giving the English a run for their money.

Expect Australia to continue steaming down the enviromentally disastrous, immigration skeptic, technologically delusional political route it has been on for a while. A country that desperately needed political change, however small.