Re: The Bigger, Badder, Even More Serious Thread

[Pettytyrant101]

{{ Chaos on top of chaos, has the Chief Whip resigned? Been fired? Is it confrimed or not? Well according to cabinet minister and buisness sec Jacob Reece Mogg-
"I am not entirely clear on what the situation is with the chief whip."
And hes one of the leading members of this government. They havent a clue its meltdown in Parliament. }}

[Mrs Figg]

its a banana republic, that's what it is.

[Pettytyrant101]

{{ She's got to go, a complete disaster. And top Tories seem to have had it with her- this from Lord Frost, Boris closest advisor-

"Her fate is to be the Henry VI of modern politics – a weak figurehead, unable to control the forces around her, occasionally humiliated, and disposed of when she has become inconvenient. Better to go now."

And this from MP Charles Walker-



And hes getting lots of tweeted support from other Tories. }}

[Lancebloke]

Christ on a bike.

Is there actually anybody left for this 'leadership' election?

[halfwise]

At least she had the good grace to resign.

[halfwise]

Does Liz Truss remind anyone else of Jodie Whittaker?

[Mrs Figg]

Christ on a bike.

Is there actually anybody left for this 'leadership' election?

yep, Johnson. That fucker will try to crawl back.

[Pettytyrant101]

Does Liz Truss remind anyone else of Jodie Whittaker?- Halfy

{{ What feckless, gormless expressions, lack of substance or depth and completely unsuited to the role she was thrust into you mean? If so, yes!

But then when you base your carrer on a 40 year old sitcomm its to be expected-





The Pie take on things-



and one of my current favourite youtube satirists, their stuff just gets better and better but then satirists have been given a banquet with Truss! }}

[Mrs Figg]

let's kick off the debate

[halfwise]

So she's been living as an elf for the requisite time, has she changed official documents? The question for me is: Has she done enough in claiming this transition to prevent other people from doing the same just so they can bully the other elves in elf-only facilities?

[Mrs Figg]

https://www.legalfeminist.org.uk/2022/06/14/what-finance-can-tell-us-about-the-trans-self-id-debate/

[halfwise]

Is it actually illegal for a man to enter the woman's loo? I don't think so, it simply isn't done. Should it then be illegal for a man to declare himself a woman in order to enter the woman's loo? It's even less done.

What keeps men out of places they shouldn't be is the fact that they are easily recognized as not belonging there. If all they have to do is dress up as a woman in order to be there, gender ID laws won't make any impact at all, as we don't have such legal strictures anyway. If it was a problem, it would have been taken advantage of by now. You're not going to have a bunch of molesters going "Oh! Now it's legal to dress as a woman and go in! Happy days!"

[Pettytyrant101]

[Mrs Figg]

What is going on with Channel 4. A so called comedian stripped off and started to play the piano with his dick. This is grotesque.

[halfwise]

That kind of behavior doesn't even make it into porno flicks.

Either he was swinging it with his hands or he's suddenly gonna get a lot of dates.

[Pettytyrant101]

{{ Quite the talent!

But sounds like normal channel 4 stuff to me- do you not remember The Word back when the channel started and its infamous "Ill do anything to get on TV" section, such as the lassie who licked the crusty bits out from between the toes of an old man. Just thinking of some of that still turns my stomach And theyve had Naked Attraction for years- a dating show where you choose after only seeing the person naked from the neck down.
And they currently have a show hosted by Jimmy Carr where they have bought up art works by dubious folk, including Hitler, and are putting it to the audience vote if it should be 'cancelled' or not- if so its destroyed then and there live on air.
They've always been risky and edgy and pushed at tv decency boundaries- its kind of what they do.}}

[Mrs Figg]

Naked Attraction is like going to a nudist beach, its totally unsexy, and it does what it says on the tin. The dude swinging his penis and tits is nothing other than a pervert and a flasher. The hypocrits banned Jerry Sadowitz for showing his dick, but not the dude with the tits on prime time TV.

[Pettytyrant101]

{{ The Word was largely made up of perverts and flashers and it ran for years on a Friday night. And what about Eurotrash with John Paul Gauttiere and Anton De Caunes- they had all sorts on that including transexual contests, biggest tiited porn stars and all sorts before there was even internet.
You sound like a grumpy old granny disapproving of the rude stuff the kids are into lol - I remember similar being said about The Word and Eurotrash and many others when I was a teenager and outraged tabloids screaming about how it was all perverted and dangerous to the kids - youre sounding like one of those letters signed 'outraged' that you read in the Daily Mail!  }}

[Pettytyrant101]

{{ Got a giggle reaidnfg IMDB's summing up of the Word-

'The show that pushed forward the boundries of youth TV. Sometimes funny, sometimes just sick. The most controversial part was where members of the audience prove what they'd do to get on TV, always things too disgusting to print here! Memorable moments from the show include Mark Lamarr interrogating musician Shabba Ranks about his homophobia, an early appearance by Nirvana and Sean Ryder of The Happy Mondays completely drugged-up with the cast of the children's TV show "Rainbow".'

Id add to that the female band that went full frontal mid song when they stripped off, Oliver Reed drunk beyond belief 'singing' Wild Things, an audience member trying to get presenter Danni to sit on his face, a hidden backstage camera where a female guest tried to persuade the male host to show her his balls and so many other moments of controversy to list }}

[Pettytyrant101]

but not the dude with the tits on prime time TV- Figg

{{ Im curous Figg- is your issue with the nudity- of which Channel 4 is famous for since its inception. That its in poor taste - again something Channel 4 has been accused of since its inception and is very much a matter of perception, or just that its a 'dude with tits?' As again channel 4 has been famous since its began for having gay, lesbian, trans and other lifestyles heavily shown- wether that was in humorous and titalating stuff like Eurotrash, controversial drama like RTD's Its a Sin, or even family soap Brookside's at the time controversial lesbian school girl storyline with a young Jenna Coleman. This is what Channel 4 does, has always done. }}

[Mrs Figg]

If you are unable to debate without personal insults. FUCK OFF!

[Pettytyrant101]

{{ wheres the personal insult? And you still havent answered what you find offensive in particular about this comparted to everything else Channel 4 have shown in the past- the nudity or the fact its transnudity? It doesnt sound even shocking to me- not like say when they broadcast Héctor Babenco’s film Pixote, telling the story of street children in São Paulo including scenes of torture and sexual assault, or th elive autopsy, or the live abortion as mentioned in the following article, someone hitting a piano with their cock seems quite mild in comparison.

From the Guardian charting Channels 4 controversial history }}

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/jun/30/from-a-brookside-kiss-to-sadistic-foreign-films-channel-4s-20-most-groundbreaking-and-controversial-shows

[halfwise]

I've never seen Channel 4, but Petty I think you are offending Figgs by completely missing the obvious subtlety of her position.  Did you miss the line "The dude swinging his penis and tits is nothing other than a pervert and a flasher. The hypocrits banned Jerry Sadowitz for showing his dick, but not the dude with the tits on prime time TV."

Clearly she's upset at the hypocrisy demonstrated when a groundbreaking and intellectual comedian gets banned, but a series of lowbrow trash with even more nudity does not.   Yet you seem to think she's being prudishly offended by the nudity - no, she's offended by nudity that doesn't have the excuse of being put to the service of either art or good comedy.

[Pettytyrant101]

{{ Well I disagreed strongly with the baning of Sadowitz if you recall and wrote a long piece on here about it and why, but that was a private venue, not a tv channel with a long and well known history of being delibretly provocative and controversial, so I  fail to see why this particular act is any different/more controverisal/offensive than any of the other hundreds of stuff channel 4 have done and shown over the years. Wheres the particular offense here? - it cant be hypocrisy as I say its nothing to do with Sadowwitz banning and its completely inline with previous Channel 4 broadcasts of controversy, so for channel 4 to show this there is absolutely nothing hypocritcal about that. This is exactly the sort of thing they are known for doing.

And on hypocrisy is it not hypocritical to say Sadowitz should not be canceled, then say this should be? I defended Sadowitz and I defend this- folk are free to watch or not, thats free choice. Im not in favour of banning either.}}

[halfwise]

No, she's saying IF Sadowitz is banned, then THIS should be.  That's NOT the same as saying channel 4 stuff should be banned, and therein lies the subtlety. She is turning her nose up at the general trashiness.