Game of Thrones [2]

No, I can understand that. But from what I've heard in passing about the storylines, (I expect if it was up to them it would be the Ramsay and Tyrion show at this point) I think I'm glad I stopped.

From what I've picked up the showrunners seemed bored with the story, and, as I read someone intimate somewhere else, are writing up to/expanding their favourite bits at the expense of the rest of the story. So, they'll have Ramsay be evil but badass, and Tyrion monologuing at people etc.

Along the same lines with Ringo, it's still enjoyable if you leave off demanding that it be the books. Now that they are completely unmoored from the books I don't blame them too much for playing up the fan favorites, though it's bound to get them into deep trouble since they aren't thinking it through as much as George is. Think of it more as them playing in the same playground.

If George were less random with plot, or as good a writer of monologue as Tolkien, I'd probably be raising holy heck too. Right now so long as it doesn't turn into a too much of the Tyrion/Ramsay show I'll be happy.

Nooooooooo tell me that just didn't happen.

Hold the door, hold the door
Hold the door, hold the door
....Hold door, hold door
....Hold door, hold door
...........Hodor
...........Hodor

 that bloody destroyed me.

Now that we’ve established Time Traveling on GoT, does this mean it’s possible Talisa really is a field nurse warped in from the future?

http://gotgifsandmusings.tumblr.com/post/144859413407/now-that-weve-established-time-traveling-on-got

Mrs Figg wrote:  that bloody destroyed me.

Made me want to punch Bran for being such a little bitch.

Jorah:

In a new interview with Entertainment Weekly, the producers revealed that when George R.R. Martin gave them a rough plan for how the books will end, he included "three holy sh-- moments." One of these moments was Hodor's (Kristian Nairn) origin story, which played out in tragic fashion on Sunday's episode, and another was Stannis Baratheon (Stephen Dillane) sacrificing his daughter Shireen (Kerry Ingram).

http://www.tvguide.com/news/game-of-thrones-shireen-death-jon-snow-resurrection-a-song-of-ice-and-fire/

Article goes on to speculate how Shireen's death may be handled differently in the books.

halfwise wrote:

In a new interview with Entertainment Weekly, the producers revealed that when George R.R. Martin gave them a rough plan for how the books will end, he included "three holy sh-- moments." One of these moments was Hodor's (Kristian Nairn) origin story, which played out in tragic fashion on Sunday's episode, and another was Stannis Baratheon (Stephen Dillane) sacrificing his daughter Shireen (Kerry Ingram).

http://www.tvguide.com/news/game-of-thrones-shireen-death-jon-snow-resurrection-a-song-of-ice-and-fire/

Article goes on to speculate how Shireen's death may be handled differently in the books.

if that's true Halfy,

Spoiler:

halfwise wrote:Jorah:

don't

Mrs Figg wrote:

halfwise wrote:

In a new interview with Entertainment Weekly, the producers revealed that when George R.R. Martin gave them a rough plan for how the books will end, he included "three holy sh-- moments." One of these moments was Hodor's (Kristian Nairn) origin story, which played out in tragic fashion on Sunday's episode, and another was Stannis Baratheon (Stephen Dillane) sacrificing his daughter Shireen (Kerry Ingram).

http://www.tvguide.com/news/game-of-thrones-shireen-death-jon-snow-resurrection-a-song-of-ice-and-fire/

Article goes on to speculate how Shireen's death may be handled differently in the books.

if that's true Halfy,

Spoiler:

Yeah Shireen being burnt alive was really just a joy to watch (or hear). Quite satisfying dramatically too for her death to happen for NO REASON AT ALL.

Not!

Forest Shepherd wrote:

Mrs Figg wrote:

halfwise wrote:

In a new interview with Entertainment Weekly, the producers revealed that when George R.R. Martin gave them a rough plan for how the books will end, he included "three holy sh-- moments." One of these moments was Hodor's (Kristian Nairn) origin story, which played out in tragic fashion on Sunday's episode, and another was Stannis Baratheon (Stephen Dillane) sacrificing his daughter Shireen (Kerry Ingram).

http://www.tvguide.com/news/game-of-thrones-shireen-death-jon-snow-resurrection-a-song-of-ice-and-fire/

Article goes on to speculate how Shireen's death may be handled differently in the books.

if that's true Halfy,

Spoiler:

Yeah Shireen being burnt alive was really just a joy to watch (or hear). Quite satisfying dramatically too for her death to happen for NO REASON AT ALL.

Not!

Actually you are totally wrong.  This is no worse than the real history of hundreds of thousands of innocent women being burnt at the stake for being 'witches' or millions of people being burnt at the stake by religious fanatics over the centuries. ALL these deaths were for nothing! that's the commentary they are making, that religious nutters kill for no good reason, think they have the monopoly on truth and are completely ruthless. Or are you saying the sacrifice of Shireen can be justified by the birth of Azora Hai? that Martin sacrificing Shireen suddenly makes it acceptable?? I think not. What reason could there be for sacrificing Shireen? explain please because I happen to think sacrificing children NEVER has a reason whether Martin has a plausible plot device reason or not.

First off, wrong about what? I said that it was a joy to watch, albeit sarcastically. So are you stating that it was not a joy to watch? (In that case I agree!  )

I'm guessing you're just saying that I'm wrong for disliking the death of Shireen. It was for me a very unpleasant watching experience. That is not debatable and I can't be wrong about it. I do remember clearly thinking, "fuck that".

Anyway, that's cool that you liked it. At least one of us did.

"This is no worse than the real history of hundreds of thousands of innocent women being burnt at the stake for being 'witches' or millions of people being burnt at the stake by religious fanatics over the centuries." 
-Mrs. Figg (emphasis mine)

I agree that it's pretty obvious that Martin got his inspiration for the Lord of Light's followers burning people from real-life historical burnings. Typically enough he has flipped things around a bit, having a witch perform the burning, but either way I see the connection, yes. 

I just wanted to say something real quick about the numbers involved here. From a very brief internet search, this quote came up on Wikipedia:

"Today, based on meticulous study of trial records, ecclesiastical and inquisitorial registers and so on, as well as on the utilization of modern statistical methods, the specialist research community on witchcraft has reached an agreement for roughly 40,000–50,000 people executed for witchcraft in Europe in total,^[62] and by no means all of them executed by being burned alive. Furthermore, it is solidly established that the peak period of witch-hunts was the century 1550–1650, with a slow increase preceding it, from the 15th century onward, as well as a sharp drop following it, with "witch-hunts" having basically fizzled out by the first half of the 18th century.^[63]"


62.  A lowest bound of 30,000 and a highest upper bound of 100,000 still within acceptability, but with a minority of professional researchers supporting either of them.


The majority of those burned for witchcraft were female, but a minority were men. Just saying.

Forest Shepherd wrote:First off, wrong about what? I said that it was a joy to watch, albeit sarcastically. So are you stating that it was not a joy to watch? (In that case I agree!  )

I'm guessing you're just saying that I'm wrong for disliking the death of Shireen. It was for me a very unpleasant watching experience. That is not debatable and I can't be wrong about it. I do remember clearly thinking, "fuck that".

Anyway, that's cool that you liked it. At least one of us did.

well I don't think anyone in their right mind could say its a joy to watch. and of course I didn't like it. But that's not the problem. the problem is some people blaming the show for doing something that Martin will probably do anyway or would have done if the show hadn't done it first, after all he can still edit his books. But Martin has said he has sacrificed Shireen, therefore whats all the show hating bellyaching for. Not you personally, I mean in general on the interwebz, I fully respect your opinion.  and that's NOT said sarcastically btw. NOBODY likes the image of children being burnt to a crisp, its unpleasant, but that's not the issue I have.

Forest Shepherd wrote:"This is no worse than the real history of hundreds of thousands of innocent women being burnt at the stake for being 'witches' or millions of people being burnt at the stake by religious fanatics over the centuries." 
-Mrs. Figg (emphasis mine)

I agree that it's pretty obvious that Martin got his inspiration for the Lord of Light's followers burning people from real-life historical burnings. Typically enough he has flipped things around a bit, having a witch perform the burning, but either way I see the connection, yes. 

I just wanted to say something real quick about the numbers involved here. From a very brief internet search, this quote came up on Wikipedia:

"Today, based on meticulous study of trial records, ecclesiastical and inquisitorial registers and so on, as well as on the utilization of modern statistical methods, the specialist research community on witchcraft has reached an agreement for roughly 40,000–50,000 people executed for witchcraft in Europe in total,^[62] and by no means all of them executed by being burned alive. Furthermore, it is solidly established that the peak period of witch-hunts was the century 1550–1650, with a slow increase preceding it, from the 15th century onward, as well as a sharp drop following it, with "witch-hunts" having basically fizzled out by the first half of the 18th century.^[63]"


62.  A lowest bound of 30,000 and a highest upper bound of 100,000 still within acceptability, but with a minority of professional researchers supporting either of them.


The majority of those burned for witchcraft were female, but a minority were men. Just saying.

 Quibblemeister General.

I must admit that Brian Blessed in Blackadder is my idea of how Robert Baratheon should have looked and acted.

I'm going to go see episode 6 tonight. We'll see how it goes!

Well, I was reading a bit about something GoT related, and I came across a comment that back in Season 3 Sansa didn't know what the crude word for dung was (shite). 

In that scene with Tyrion where she talks about "sheep-shift" I had always thought that "shift" was an old word for sheep droppings. Apparently, she just said "shift" instead of "shit". 

I don't know whether I'm smarter or dumber than the average viewer for whom, apparently, this was meant to be obvious.

Anyway, I just got back from watching episode 6. I liked this episode probably the most this season, thus far, because I was reminded of the things about the show that I like.

Spoiler:

I've been trying to place, for quite a long time, why it is that I don't like Danaery's dragons. I realized today that that reason was because they are really gross. I mean, there have been a lot of depictions of dragons over the centuries. Everything from odd creeping beasts:



to beautiful creatures like this one:



I understand that the showrunners want to set these dragons apart from the others that we have seen over the years. But by my foot, they are just so flipping ugly:



Like, bugger off you you hideous poop-monster, kind of ugly.




Blech. 

Reminds me of the diarrhea-snake from Ragnarok more than anything else:



And that shot inside it's mouth this episode?

Spoiler:

Perhaps it's part of the show's "realisticness" that its [fantasy] dragons have to be ugly and smelly. But I don't like it, either way.

{{{{Dont know GoT's world well enough to make all the comparisons myself or judge their merits, but still found this interesting, part 2 is not up yet}}}