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Re: Doctor Who [8]
by Pettytyrant101 Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:03 pm
I am just wondering here are you saying its ok to portray women striking men but not the other way round?
As to 'so what?' you ignored my final statement which was the so what.
As to 'so what?' you ignored my final statement which was the so what.
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Re: Doctor Who [8]
by Mrs Figg Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:22 pm
what?Pettytyrant101 wrote:I am just wondering here are you saying its ok to portray women striking men but not the other way round? You are saying that
As to 'so what?' you ignored my final statement which was the so what.
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Re: Doctor Who [8]
by Pettytyrant101 Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:27 pm
No i am not saying that- it only occurred to me because you mentioned that lass in the vid needed a punch.
And that got me looking up the leele scene, and that got me talking with a friend who was with me at the time about how it is odd women still slap men in Who but its no longer allowed to happen the other way round any more.
I then pointed out there are some mens groups who deal with abused men who would probably say its just as bad.
You seemed to be saying earlier because of the difference in upper body strength it was ok for a woman to be seen hitting a man.
And that got me looking up the leele scene, and that got me talking with a friend who was with me at the time about how it is odd women still slap men in Who but its no longer allowed to happen the other way round any more.
I then pointed out there are some mens groups who deal with abused men who would probably say its just as bad.
You seemed to be saying earlier because of the difference in upper body strength it was ok for a woman to be seen hitting a man.
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Re: Doctor Who [8]
by Mrs Figg Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:33 pm
Pettytyrant101 wrote:No i am not saying that- it only occurred to me because you mentioned that lass in the vid needed a punch.
And that got me looking up the leele scene, and that got me talking with a friend who was with me at the time about how it is odd women still slap men in Who but its no longer allowed to happen the other way round any more. why is it odd?
I then pointed out there are some mens groups who deal with abused men who would probably say its just as bad.
You seemed to be saying earlier because of the difference in upper body strength it was ok for a woman to be seen hitting a man Only if he is fucking annoying.
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by Pettytyrant101 Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:18 am
Its odd because surely violence against women is not better or worse than violence against men? If its wrong one way should it not be wrong the other way too?
And s there not a risk that a young woman might think it acceptable that a woman hit a man, because if thatwere to happen to there are men out there who went struck, strike back, regardless of the gender of who hit them. So is it not also a bit of a risky message to send out?
And s there not a risk that a young woman might think it acceptable that a woman hit a man, because if thatwere to happen to there are men out there who went struck, strike back, regardless of the gender of who hit them. So is it not also a bit of a risky message to send out?
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Re: Doctor Who [8]
by Mrs Figg Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:35 am
Pettytyrant101 wrote:Its odd because surely violence against women is not better or worse than violence against men? If its wrong one way should it not be wrong the other way too? Its worse
And s there not a risk that a young woman might think it acceptable that a woman hit a man, because if thatwere to happen to there are men out there who went struck, strike back, regardless of the gender of who hit them. So is it not also a bit of a risky message to send out? No
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Re: Doctor Who [8]
by Pettytyrant101 Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:43 am
So you see no problem with violence by women towards men?
Its consequence free?
Its consequence free?
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Re: Doctor Who [8]
by Bluebottle Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:03 am
Is violence against women worse than violence against men? Well, it's an interesting question.
The law certainly doesn't seperate the illegality with regard to gender
Ethically I think we have a tendency to do so, though I'm not sure for good reason. We tend to have a view that that any violence against women is worse because they can't defend themselves. In reality I think one could say, in most cases, the same is true about violence against men. Still that view has led to several forms of abusive behaviour in relationships to be illegalized where it might not exceed the strict legal definition of violence. And for good reason.
Still the law doesn't seperate with regard to gender and the same behaviour would be illegal for a woman to do, though perphaps it would to less extent be brought to the attention of the police and the courts.
As for Leelas slap I think it might have constituted an example of how someone from a culture where one would not settle arguments with words would act in a situation where someone else was being silly for completely arbitrary and societal reasons.
Generally I think I have a problem with violence against anyone for any other reason than to stop them being violent to someone else. And even then there has to be a necessity with regards to time.
That turned out a lot longer than I intended, but hopefully you'll find it somewhat interesting.
The law certainly doesn't seperate the illegality with regard to gender
Ethically I think we have a tendency to do so, though I'm not sure for good reason. We tend to have a view that that any violence against women is worse because they can't defend themselves. In reality I think one could say, in most cases, the same is true about violence against men. Still that view has led to several forms of abusive behaviour in relationships to be illegalized where it might not exceed the strict legal definition of violence. And for good reason.
Still the law doesn't seperate with regard to gender and the same behaviour would be illegal for a woman to do, though perphaps it would to less extent be brought to the attention of the police and the courts.
As for Leelas slap I think it might have constituted an example of how someone from a culture where one would not settle arguments with words would act in a situation where someone else was being silly for completely arbitrary and societal reasons.
Generally I think I have a problem with violence against anyone for any other reason than to stop them being violent to someone else. And even then there has to be a necessity with regards to time.
That turned out a lot longer than I intended, but hopefully you'll find it somewhat interesting.
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Re: Doctor Who [8]
by Mrs Figg Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:03 am
Pettytyrant101 wrote:So you see no problem with violence by women towards men?
Its consequence free?
only if the men are wearing short kilts, and then they are asking for it
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Re: Doctor Who [8]
by Pettytyrant101 Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:52 am
From you Mrs Figg I'm not just asking for it, Im positively begging 
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Re: Doctor Who [8]
by Pettytyrant101 Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:55 am
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Re: Doctor Who [8]
by Bluebottle Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:41 pm
I make my most insightfull contribution since I started posting here and certain parties choose to ignore it to keep their eternal feud going. 
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by Pettytyrant101 Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:44 pm
Sorry Blue, I'm a Scot and Figgs a Manc, so I'm afraid we never let sense and reasoned debate get in the way of a good fight!
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Re: Doctor Who [8]
by Bluebottle Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:47 pm
Oh, I wouldn't have it any other way really.
Now where is my Pulitzer prize?
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Re: Doctor Who [8]
by Mrs Figg Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:56 pm
Bluebottle wrote:I make my most insightfull contribution since I started posting here and certain parties choose to ignore it to keep their eternal feud going.
God.
well if its any consolation I made a pretty insightful contribution over on the 'In Theatres' thread and four people ignored me, so join the club.
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by Bluebottle Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:07 pm
Haha, well. I wasn't complaining really.
Oh. I actually saw that and was going to respond to it, it just got lost somewhere along the way.
I'd say you were pretty much spot on.
The lack of character development in the Hobbit movies and the botching up of it when there is some plays a large part in what drags them down as movies.
Oh. I actually saw that and was going to respond to it, it just got lost somewhere along the way.
I'd say you were pretty much spot on.
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by Mrs Figg Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:14 pm
dont worry about complaining, get stuck in if you need to. call it good practice for when you become a lawyer and you need to tear someone a new one.
call it good practice for when you become a lawyer and you need to tear someone a new one.
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by Bluebottle Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:21 pm
Yeah, you might be right. Maybe I could put me posting on here in as 10 credit points in my degree as complaining training.
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by Bluebottle Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:06 pm
And we have norced the Who thread. 
Thank you for your help Figg. I couldn't have done it without you.
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by Pettytyrant101 Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:35 pm
Sorry Blue- half a dozen posts isnt a norcing, just an aside on Forumshire- you will have to do better! At least a full page!
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Re: Doctor Who [8]
by Bluebottle Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:45 pm
Haha. Well, I'll freely admit to being an amateur at the art. Maybe I should ask Norc for some tips.
Still, thank you for helping the off topic conversation onto a new page at least Petty.
Still, thank you for helping the off topic conversation onto a new page at least Petty.
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by Mrs Figg Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:55 pm
Pettytyrant101 wrote:Sorry Blue- half a dozen posts isnt a norcing, just an aside on Forumshire- you will have to do better! At least a full page!
whos says its not Norcing? there is such a thing as FlashNorcing you know.
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by Bluebottle Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:28 pm
Petty apparently. 
Though I like the concept.
"Flash norcing": When you step away from your thread for five minutes and return to find it filled with Cumberbatch pictures or the equivalent.
Though I like the concept.
"Flash norcing": When you step away from your thread for five minutes and return to find it filled with Cumberbatch pictures or the equivalent.
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by halfwise Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:35 pm
Also known as a drive-by Norcing.
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