Re: Critics review 'Desolation of Smaug' | POSSIBLE SPOILERS

by Mrs Figg Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:40 pm

Radaghast wrote:
Pettytyrant101 wrote:I'm trying to think of another movie that is full of Feminine Energy- Halfwise

Thelma and Louise?
Bad Girls

Prisoner on cellblock H Shrugging

by Pettytyrant101 Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:58 pm

A fine display of crabbit Yer Majesty, Im so proud I've decided to only steal half the usual amount of rasberry buckie from your cellars this month.

by Tinuviel Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:04 pm

Eldorion wrote:Damn, now that is some crabibt, Queen Tin! Everyone is making a play for the Most Crabbit Award now, it seems.

Tinuviel wrote:There's a theorist named Adrienne Rich who says that compulsory heterosexuality is an oppressive apparatus that keeps women under the thumb of men. She argues that lesbians are able to escape that apparatus because they don't depend on men at all but each other, much like in Orange. It was so refreshing watching that show because it was women interacting with women against men and the penitentiary that is oppressing them.
Not to get too off-topic, but there was a lot of "women vs. women" stuff in Orange is the New Black. I liked that their portrayal of lesbian relationships was decidedly un-sexy and just as dysfunctional as any of the hetero relationships in the show.

That was actually another part of her argument that I didn't mention how Rich sees the lesbian relationship not necessarily as sexual but social. It's a way for women to define themselves without it being in relation to men. Lesbian relationships are the same if not better than heterosexual ones (in her opinion) because the women are exploring a world outside of traditional gender roles.

And thank you Petty. Please send that half to me as soon as possible before I accidentally start hitting Hobbit children with my driver Mad

by Radaghast Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:16 pm

Eldorion wrote:
bungobaggins wrote:The one review I'm really looking forward to.

Spoiler:
Definitely. :DI enjoyed their AUJ review too.

I started watching that but stopped when one of them said you couldn't pay him to read Tolkien (or something like that).

by Eldorion Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:18 pm

Tinuviel wrote:That was actually another part of her argument that I didn't mention how Rich sees the lesbian relationship not necessarily as sexual but social. It's a way for women to define themselves without it being in relation to men. Lesbian relationships are the same if not better than heterosexual ones (in her opinion) because the women are exploring a world outside of traditional gender roles.

Obviously I'm coming at this from a different perspective, being a child of lesbians rather than a lesbian myself, but that perspective (Rich's) seems really far removed from my experience. Suspect

That's about all I can say on the matter.

by Eldorion Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:21 pm

Radaghast wrote:I started watching that but stopped when one of them said you couldn't pay him to read Tolkien (or something like that).

I quite enjoy most of their reviews, both the giant Plinkett ones and the more conventional Half in the Bag ones. I especially appreciate their perspective on The Hobbit not as fans of the book but as fans of movies judging it solely on those criteria. It's interesting to hear how it's both different and the same from some of the complaints from book fans. Smile

by Mrs Figg Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:27 pm

I agree Tin, it does seem sad that 'feminine energy' = Romance. I suppose if she is feisty they think thats ok?. Rolling Eyes

Its like feisty is a subterfuge to hide the fact Tauriel is actually an anti-feminist character. They give her knives and a bow and thats supposed to make it all acceptable. Firstly she is only a guard, she has a boss, she has no power of her own, basically she is a secretary involved with the bosses son. With a knife.

by Radaghast Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:27 pm

Eldorion wrote:
Radaghast wrote:I started watching that but stopped when one of them said you couldn't pay him to read Tolkien (or something like that).
I quite enjoy most of their reviews, both the giant Plinkett ones and the more conventional Half in the Bag ones. I especially appreciate their perspective on The Hobbit not as fans of the book but as fans of movies judging it solely on those criteria. It's interesting to hear how it's both different and the same from some of the complaints from book fans.

I certainly don't mind that, but if you're going to leave the book out of it, leave your distaste for it out of it too. It just seems like an unwarranted dig. Also, I find that the review kind of meandered; it wasn't sharp like the Plinkett reviews. That's just my perspective.

by Eldorion Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:34 pm

Yeah, Half in the Bag definitely meanders. There's an ongoing storyline with Jay and Mike scamming Mr Plinkett (played by a different guy than in the Plinkett reviews). I enjoy it, but I can see how it might be grating for some.

Also, no offence, but you seem really touchy about "digs" against Tolkien. I really don't think he minds since he's, y'know, dead. Razz

by Radaghast Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:47 pm

It just seems mean for no good reason, not even a good attempt at humor. "You couldn't pay me to read Tolkien" sounds to me like the guy is too good for Tolkien.

by Eldorion Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:53 pm

It establishes his perspective on the source material for anyone who is interested to know what his opinion was before he saw the film.

And even if it is "mean for no good reason" ... what does it matter? Part of their schtick is being douchey at times, anyway.

by Radaghast Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:00 pm

If you're going to be a douche, at least be funny about it. That's all I'm saying Very Happy

by Mrs Figg Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:07 pm

MASSIVE SPOILER DONT READ IT IF YOU DONT WANT A CRABBIT EXPLOSION. srsly dont.

(Its from Quickbeam from TORn he has seen the film).

OK I read this and quite frankly I still can't believe it. scratch

nope

Spoiler:

by Radaghast Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:14 pm

All I can do is shake my head in and feel better and better about my decision to avoid this movie.

by Mrs Figg Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:19 pm

still hasnt sunk in.

by Eldorion Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:24 pm

by Mrs Figg Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:35 pm

for fucks sake! what WERE THEY THINKING???????? Handbag

fucking 'Heroic Wheelbarrow' pfft! Extremely Crabbit

now I am crabbit Banghead

fuck fuck fuckedydoo Banghead

by RA Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:38 pm

Jackson likes his big action set-pieces and Tolkien liked his dialogue - they don't get along well and I think that's what this is a case of.

by RA Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:40 pm

I'm honestly sort of numb to it by this point. sort of. Is it going to take Smaug being possessed and sent to Mordor where he blows fire into Baradur, thereby making Sauron's eye thing from lotr, to wake me up to it all again?

by malickfan Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:42 pm

As I said in the thread I started look on the bright side, the further it drifts away from the book, the less viewers can lay the blame on Tolkien.

And frankly I'd rather see Jackson f*ck up the hobbit and gurantee he has no chance of eviscerating The Silmarillion.

Heroic Wheelbarrow?

Rolling Eyes

Eldo why oh why don't we have a Vomiting Emoticon?

by Radaghast Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:43 pm

I think I'm pretty numb, but not enough to actually watch the movie and reading comments that praise PJ basically give me a headache. But I think the thing has descended into farce, albeit unintentional, so it's almost hard to take seriously at this point.

by Radaghast Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:45 pm

malickfan wrote:Eldo why oh why don't we have a Vomiting Emoticon?

Funny, I wondered about that myself Very Happy

This one could also prove handy:

Critics review 'Desolation of Smaug' | POSSIBLE SPOILERS - Page 8 Icon_hulk2

by Beleg Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:45 pm

Mrs Figg wrote: MASSIVE SPOILER DONT READ IT IF YOU DONT WANT A CRABBIT EXPLOSION. srsly dont.

(Its from Quickbeam from TORn he has seen the film).

OK I read this and quite frankly I still can't believe it.

nope

Spoiler:

As I noted on another thread, the action sequence quoted here just serves to neuter Smaug. The fact that he suddenly has 9 dwarves and a hobbit running around his lair like mice and he is helpless to eradicate them is absurd. He TOOK that lair when it was a KINGDOM of dwarves and well defended (although he took it by surprise) and now they can just dart to and fro within and not be burned, eaten, squashed or otherwise eliminated? Pitiful...and apparently Thorin thinks he can encase Smaug in molten gold and thereby kill or at least immobilize him? Come on man!

by Mrs Figg Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:47 pm

this cheered me up somewhat. Very Happy

by Radaghast Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:48 pm

Beleg wrote: Pitiful...and apparently Thorin thinks he can encase Smaug in molten gold and thereby kill or at least immobilize him? Come on man!

Yup. Farce.