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Post by Eldorion Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:56 pm

Crazy Eyes definitely had the best theme/end credits song. Very Happy

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Post by bungobaggins Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:00 pm

http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review/the-hobbit-the-desolation-of-smaug

In An Unexpected Journey, criticisms of Jackson's choice to vastly extend Tolkien's lean Lord of the Rings precursor were largely dispelled, as the narrative filling-out didn't feel labored, as many feared, but naturalistic. In The Desolation of Smaug (or in its first half, at least), Jackson serves up something else entirely: a lightning-paced, nuance-deprived succession of busy set pieces, many of them exasperating in their breathless insistence on pandering to the blockbuster crowd.
wha...?

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Post by bungobaggins Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:02 pm

Eldorion wrote:Crazy Eyes definitely had the best theme/end credits song. Very Happy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRvpGGc9Jv8

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I am looking forward to season 2. Nod

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Post by Eldorion Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:05 pm

In An Unexpected Journey, criticisms of Jackson's choice to vastly extend Tolkien's lean Lord of the Rings precursor were largely dispelled, as the narrative filling-out didn't feel labored, as many feared, but naturalistic.
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But he abandons so much restraint in this film that Legolas slaying a giant elephant in The Return of the King, and then playfully surfing down its trunk to triumphant safety, feels like a quaint and distant memory.
It does sound, based on some of the specific scenes we've heard of so far, that PJ took the trunk-surfing scene as his jumping-off point and then decided to top it.
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Post by Bluebottle Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:08 pm

Jackson serves up something else entirely: a lightning-paced, nuance-deprived succession of busy set pieces, many of them exasperating in their breathless insistence on pandering to the blockbuster crowd.
Well. I guess with the amount of money these blockbusters can rake in someone had to see that as a positive thing. Rolling Eyes Laughing 

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Post by Eldorion Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:10 pm

That wasn't a positive review, though. scratch
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Post by Radaghast Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:10 pm

Eldorion wrote:
In An Unexpected Journey, criticisms of Jackson's choice to vastly extend Tolkien's lean Lord of the Rings precursor were largely dispelled, as the narrative filling-out didn't feel labored, as many feared, but naturalistic.
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Exactly. I hate when reviewers take this haughty, subjective tone.
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Post by Radaghast Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:11 pm

bungobaggins wrote:http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review/the-hobbit-the-desolation-of-smaug

In An Unexpected Journey, criticisms of Jackson's choice to vastly extend Tolkien's lean Lord of the Rings precursor were largely dispelled, as the narrative filling-out didn't feel labored, as many feared, but naturalistic. In The Desolation of Smaug (or in its first half, at least), Jackson serves up something else entirely: a lightning-paced, nuance-deprived succession of busy set pieces, many of them exasperating in their breathless insistence on pandering to the blockbuster crowd.
wha...?
Yeah, seems contradictory.
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Post by Bluebottle Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:13 pm

Well, he did say the narrative filling out felt naturalistic. Shrugging 

I should perhaps have kept that part in the quote as well.

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Post by Eldorion Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:14 pm

Bluebottle wrote:Well, he did say the narrative filling out felt naturalistic. Shrugging 

I should perhaps have kept that part in the quote as well.
He said that the added material in AUJ felt naturalistic (which I disagree with). But at the end of his review he calls DOS the weakest Middle-earth movie so far.
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Post by Eldorion Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:15 pm

Radaghast wrote:Exactly. I hate when reviewers take this haughty, subjective tone.
They're paid to offer their opinion about movies, so of course it's going to be subjective. And I didn't think the review was haughty.
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Post by Bluebottle Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:16 pm

Worse than AUJ? Shocked 

Should perhaps have taken the time to look at the whole thing. Laughing 

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Post by Radaghast Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:17 pm

Bluebottle wrote:Well, he did say the narrative filling out felt naturalistic. Shrugging 

I should perhaps have kept that part in the quote as well.
Fair enough.
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Post by Eldorion Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:18 pm

Bluebottle wrote:Worse than AUJ? Shocked  
So far it seems to me that most reviewers who have compared DOS to AUJ have said that DOS was more action-packed and faster-paced. They just disagree on whether that's an improvement or not. Very Happy
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Post by bungobaggins Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:19 pm

The one review I'm really looking forward to.

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Post by Radaghast Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:20 pm

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Radaghast wrote:Exactly. I hate when reviewers take this haughty, subjective tone.
They're paid to offer their opinion about movies, so of course it's going to be subjective.  And I didn't think the review was haughty.
Perhaps not, and, sure, they can express their opinion of the movie, but such a statement basically seems highly presumptive to me, at the least. "You people who feared the invented parts wouldn't fit, don't worry about it, it's cool. It's naturalistic" Rolling Eyes
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Post by Eldorion Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:21 pm

bungobaggins wrote:The one review I'm really looking forward to.

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Definitely. Very Happy I enjoyed their AUJ review too. Nod

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Post by Tinuviel Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:22 pm

Just read the last three pages literally screaming into my pillow. The epitome of female oppression in film is making her dependent on a male character. For ONCE, can't there be a strong female character who doesn't fall in love with a man, or at the very least doesn't base her decisions off of him? There's a theorist named Adrienne Rich who says that compulsory heterosexuality is an oppressive apparatus that keeps women under the thumb of men. She argues that lesbians are able to escape that apparatus because they don't depend on men at all but each other, much like in Orange. It was so refreshing watching that show because it was women interacting with women against men and the penitentiary that is oppressing them. If that sappy sad excuse of feminine energy is Boyens interpretation of it, then she needs a serious slap in the face. A WOMAN IS CAPABLE OF DOING MORE THINGS THAN FALLING IN LOVE. They go to great lengths to show that Tauriel isn't a typical female character only to make her act like one when the plot demands it. It's RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I actually can't stand it!!!!!!!!!! The weird, platonic relationship between her and Leggy would have been fine, because she's not pining for him (at least I don't think so...). With Kili, it's just STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm sorry Phillipa Bosoms, but feminine energy is not synonymous with ROMANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A deeply buried part of me was kind of looking forward to her being added to the film as a minor character, but that little flicker of excitement has been doused by a tidal wave anguish and disappointment.


THIS MAKES ME SO CRABBIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by Eldorion Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:22 pm

Radaghast wrote:Perhaps not, and, sure, they can express their opinion of the movie, but such a statement basically seems highly presumptive to me, at the least. "You people who feared the invented parts wouldn't fit, don't worry about it, it's cool. It's naturalistic" Rolling Eyes
Like I said, I disagree with that statement, but they're hardly alone in it.
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Post by bungobaggins Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:24 pm

Eldorion wrote:
Definitely. :DI enjoyed their AUJ review too. Nod

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Post by Eldorion Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:28 pm

Damn, now that is some crabibt, Queen Tin! Everyone is making a play for the Most Crabbit Award now, it seems. Very Happy

Tinuviel wrote:There's a theorist named Adrienne Rich who says that compulsory heterosexuality is an oppressive apparatus that keeps women under the thumb of men. She argues that lesbians are able to escape that apparatus because they don't depend on men at all but each other, much like in Orange. It was so refreshing watching that show because it was women interacting with women against men and the penitentiary that is oppressing them.
Not to get too off-topic, but there was a lot of "women vs. women" stuff in Orange is the New Black. I liked that their portrayal of lesbian relationships was decidedly un-sexy and just as dysfunctional as any of the hetero relationships in the show.
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Post by bungobaggins Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:28 pm

Tinuviel wrote:THIS MAKES ME SO CRABBIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am officially back on the Crabbit Wagon™️! Nod

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Post by Eldorion Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:31 pm

bungobaggins wrote:I am officially back on the Crabbit Wagon™️! Nod
Does that mean you fell off the wagon last night? Laughing
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Post by bungobaggins Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:33 pm

Yeah, for about an hour or two before I went to bed. Laughing

Leave to good ol' Phillipa Buoyancy to get me back on the crabbit! Extremely Crabbit

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Post by Eldorion Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:35 pm

And here I was thinking I'd been making progress spreading positivity. Mad

Although Boyens comments made me pretty crabbit too. Laughing
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