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Re: Seen any good films lately?
by Eldorion Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:42 am
Let me amend my previous post to say you have to be a fan of either superheroes or finely-shaped asses to like The Avengers. 
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Re: Seen any good films lately?
by Mrs Figg Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:40 pm
as superhero films go I prefer Watchmen.
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Re: Seen any good films lately?
by Norc Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:03 pm
I saw rise of the guardians today, what a great and funny movie!
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Re: Seen any good films lately?
by Norc Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:53 pm
I saw the history of Pi today (I've been a lot at the theatre lately)
it is a gorgeous movie, you should all go and see it.
it is a gorgeous movie, you should all go and see it.
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Re: Seen any good films lately?
by Norc Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:53 pm
wait. no it's a life of Pi in english isn't it?
it may seem cheesy, but the story is just wonderful and the symbolic stuff and sknhsørbn!! GO SEE IT YOU FOOLS! the best movie I've seen this year.
it may seem cheesy, but the story is just wonderful and the symbolic stuff and sknhsørbn!! GO SEE IT YOU FOOLS! the best movie I've seen this year.
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Re: Seen any good films lately?
by Eldorion Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:03 am
I think it's just Life of Pi in English. I've heard good things about it. One of the reviews I read gave it 3.14159 stars out of 5. 
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Re: Seen any good films lately?
by chris63 Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:21 am
I like apple pi 
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Re: Seen any good films lately?
by Pettytyrant101 Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:20 am
3.14159 stars out of 5- Eldo
You should be poked in the eye for that joke Eldo.
The trailer for Life of pi was still the best thing I saw at the cinema when I went to see TH.
You should be poked in the eye for that joke Eldo.
The trailer for Life of pi was still the best thing I saw at the cinema when I went to see TH.
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Re: Seen any good films lately?
by CC12 35 Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:42 pm
Did you see it on Piday?
IT'S PIE DAY, PIE DAY, GOTTA GET DOWN ON PIE DAY.
IT'S PIE DAY, PIE DAY, GOTTA GET DOWN ON PIE DAY.
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Re: Seen any good films lately?
by Amarië Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:45 pm
CC12 35 wrote:Did you see it on Piday?
IT'S PIE DAY, PIE DAY, GOTTA GET DOWN ON PIE DAY.
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Re: Seen any good films lately?
by Norc Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:53 pm
you guys xD no, but it is really great 
like.. godly. almost like gullivers travels (or hwatever it is called) but with.. i dunno what to compare it with. it was just mind blowing, even in 2D. go see it in 3D!
like.. godly. almost like gullivers travels (or hwatever it is called) but with.. i dunno what to compare it with. it was just mind blowing, even in 2D. go see it in 3D!
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Re: Seen any good films lately?
by Ally Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:12 pm
So Gullivers Travels is above the adjective 'godly'?
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Re: Seen any good films lately?
by azriel Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:14 pm
the best thing I saw at the cinema when I went to see The Hobbit was...the exit!
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Re: Seen any good films lately?
by Eldorion Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:50 am
I saw Zero Dark Thirty while I was on vacation. My Uncle wanted to see the film and offered to take me along. He's extremely conservative, supported the War on Terror, and had no problems with the use of "enhanced interrogation" (I don't think he knows just how much of a lefty I am by his standards). Anyway, going by the torture controversy I've read about and my Uncle's comments I went in expecting a fairly jingoistic film that would make the case (indirectly or otherwise) that the use of torture was instrumental in finding and killing Osama bin Laden.
I've spent much of the past several days since trying to work through the film in my mind. To be honest, I don't think that the movie is so much about bin Laden as it is an examination of the collective mental state of America after 9/11 and its quest for revenge. MAJOR SPOILERS:
To return to an earlier point, I've been disturbed by the torture that has largely defined the War on Terror since I first heard about it (which, given my age, was when I was about 10 or 11 years old). Some of my earliest memories are from 9/11 but I was raised in a pacifist Quaker family so I had mixed feelings about the invasions despite my age at the time. Finding out about Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib was a real shock to me at that point in my life, though, and the torture scenes in Zero Dark Thirty hit pretty hard. At first I thought it was irresponsible of the filmmakers to include them since I knew some people would take it as an endorsement of torture, such as my Uncle, who said as much on the drive back. But the more I think about it, the more I feel that the movie was just trying to present the events that happened (through the lens of the fictionalized story they were telling) without passing judgement. Andrew Sullivan wrote a really good piece on this.
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/12/the-torture-narrative.html
I've rambled a lot so I might as well try to add a few non-spoilery impressions of the movie itself rather than my own personal experience with it. The film is incredibly intense and suspenseful throughout. I've never seen any of the director's other work but this is in my opinion at the very least a near-masterpiece. It is very well made at every level and the acting is great throughout, though many of the actors aren't given that much to work with. I still have more films from late last year to see but this is in all likelihood going to be my pick for best movie of 2012.
Anyway, this film affected me in a way that I did not at all expect, which I suppose is a testament to the power of the story it told. Then again, it's touching on a subject that is still raw in a lot of ways. I didn't want to see it again at first, but now I feel like I have to in order to fully understand the movie. Hopefully I'll be able to soon.
If you're still awake after all my rambling and are interested in the movie, here's one of the trailers. I'd love to hear what anyone else on here thinks of the film.
I've spent much of the past several days since trying to work through the film in my mind. To be honest, I don't think that the movie is so much about bin Laden as it is an examination of the collective mental state of America after 9/11 and its quest for revenge. MAJOR SPOILERS:
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- The film opens with a clip of a real 911 call from inside the World Trade Center on 9/11. It then cuts to the first of several brutal torture scenes of "Ammar", who appears to be based on the real life nephew of Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the chief planner of the 9/11 attacks (both remain detained at Guantanamo Bay). The torture scenes really disturbed me and set the tone of the rest of the movie, even when they stop, in part due to the political climate becoming less permissive of torture. The bulk of the film follows a procedural model as the CIA agents at its core come closer and closer to ultimately finding bin Laden in Abottabad, Pakistan.
The main character of the movie is Maya, and she is based on a still-anonymous female CIA agent who played an important role in the real life investigation. However, the character of Maya appears to be a composite, and like many of the other characters she is never given a last name. When I was watching the film I thought it was strange that she was given very little character development, but in retrospect I feel like that would have trivialized the story.
I have since watched the made-for-TV movie about the killing of Osama bin Laden that aired on Nat Geo. It's terrible in a lot of ways, not least of which are the ham-handed attempts at characterization. ZDT's single-minded protagonist works much better and the lack of development helps emphasize her obsession. Most of the films flaws in the storytelling department are character related though. There are a ton of faces and it's easy to get lost, especially if you aren't familiar enough with the real world story to put the pieces together while watching the film.
Despite my reservations about the torture scenes, I could tell while watching the film that it was a masterful piece of cinema. The ending was what convinced me that it was really something special though, a conclusion that I have grown more confident in as I've thought more about the film. It's not a spoiler that the film ends with bin Laden's death, but the raid on his compound is presented in a very straightforward and methodical way. There isn't a big shootout, and in fact most of the people who die (including a woman and Osama himself) are not shown having any weapons at all. This was when I realized - belatedly - that the film wasn't trying to present a glorified or whitewashed picture of the raid. Both the introductory torture scenes and the climactic raid are presented pretty matter-of-factly and the events presented are and should be distasteful to most people.
There is no real celebration of bin Laden's death, and the film doesn't engage in any congratulatory patriotism. Perhaps this is because the film was actually in development before bin Laden's death and the originally intended ending was for the CIA to fail to find him, but the ultimate "achievement" of finding the world's most wanted man feels very hollow, I suspect deliberately so. After almost 10 years of obsession and desperation on Maya's part -- and, by proxy, the entire American people -- the movie's closing scene is Maya sitting alone in the back of a plane, about to return to the US, crying. It was actually a little reminiscent of the closing shot of Lawrence of Arabia, which I saw for the first time a few months ago.
To return to an earlier point, I've been disturbed by the torture that has largely defined the War on Terror since I first heard about it (which, given my age, was when I was about 10 or 11 years old). Some of my earliest memories are from 9/11 but I was raised in a pacifist Quaker family so I had mixed feelings about the invasions despite my age at the time. Finding out about Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib was a real shock to me at that point in my life, though, and the torture scenes in Zero Dark Thirty hit pretty hard. At first I thought it was irresponsible of the filmmakers to include them since I knew some people would take it as an endorsement of torture, such as my Uncle, who said as much on the drive back. But the more I think about it, the more I feel that the movie was just trying to present the events that happened (through the lens of the fictionalized story they were telling) without passing judgement. Andrew Sullivan wrote a really good piece on this.
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/12/the-torture-narrative.html
I've rambled a lot so I might as well try to add a few non-spoilery impressions of the movie itself rather than my own personal experience with it. The film is incredibly intense and suspenseful throughout. I've never seen any of the director's other work but this is in my opinion at the very least a near-masterpiece. It is very well made at every level and the acting is great throughout, though many of the actors aren't given that much to work with. I still have more films from late last year to see but this is in all likelihood going to be my pick for best movie of 2012.
Anyway, this film affected me in a way that I did not at all expect, which I suppose is a testament to the power of the story it told. Then again, it's touching on a subject that is still raw in a lot of ways. I didn't want to see it again at first, but now I feel like I have to in order to fully understand the movie. Hopefully I'll be able to soon.
If you're still awake after all my rambling and are interested in the movie, here's one of the trailers. I'd love to hear what anyone else on here thinks of the film.
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Re: Seen any good films lately?
by azriel Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:32 pm
Id like to see this film,mainly as its directed by James Camerons Ex wife, Kathryn Bigelow. Shes fast making a name for herself in her own right, & isnt being over shadowed by her now ex, I liked "Hurt Locker" & I anticipate liking "Zero Dark Thirty" also, I think shes a bit more level headed than some directors,who always have to make the USA saviour of the world,no matter what they have to defeat, No offence intended to fellow Americans at all ! Its often the way directors portray people. If an alien is gonna land,you can bet its gonna be in USA, If a meteor is gonna hit Earth, USA will deflect it...& save the day, Sounds like Im bitching but Im not! But yeah, this does look like a film worth going to see. I still think it was a shame that Bin laden was killed so readily when caught. It might have been a good chance for info, then trial, then ultimately execution? Unless theres other political/legal obstacles why Bin Laden should NOT despatched ? Actually thinking on it, I can forsee a whole heap of trouble had Bin laden lived, so maybe it was the right thing to do.
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Re: Seen any good films lately?
by Pettytyrant101 Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:42 pm
Thisis one I will be watching.
Unlike the critics I was not that impresed by Hurt Locker so I had my reservations about this one too.
From what Ive read the film does suggest information gained through torture was crucial in finding Bin Laden, but does not mention the numerous other ways the same nformation could have ben discovered had US focus not been so fixed on this means of gaining information- but I will have to wait till I see the film before I can judge that.
Unlike the critics I was not that impresed by Hurt Locker so I had my reservations about this one too.
From what Ive read the film does suggest information gained through torture was crucial in finding Bin Laden, but does not mention the numerous other ways the same nformation could have ben discovered had US focus not been so fixed on this means of gaining information- but I will have to wait till I see the film before I can judge that.
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Re: Seen any good films lately?
by Eldorion Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:35 pm
I've never seen The Hurt Locker, nor really had that much interest in seeing it before I watched Zero Dark Thirty, so I can't comment on any comparisons. I found Zero Dark Thirty to be very engaging though.
I just woke up so I hope I'm not repeating myself.
I'll be sure to post here again after I see the film for a second time and my thoughts hopefully clear up a bit more.
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- The film does portray torture as playing a role in the investigation, but the crucial leads come from non-coercive interrogation, bluffing, intelligence sharing with other communities, and even bribery. There are a couple of scenes of non-violent interrogation that one could argue wouldn't have been possible without torture "softening up" detainees beforehand, but one could make that case about the real world history as well. I think the film cares more about depicting the reality of torture more than passing judgement. It certainly does not whitewash it, and the brutality of the torture scenes strips away many of the euphemisms and double standards surrounding official accounts.
Like I mentioned in my earlier post, I think the movie is as much about the psychological state of the US after 9/11 than the hunt for bin Laden. The fact is that the US did (and probably still does) torture a lot of people in the course of its interrogations and the more I think about it, the stranger and more uncomfortable it would seem to tell that story without including any mention of torture. One could certainly argue that they were gratuitous, but I don't think the film amounts to an endorsement of torture in any way. It's more descriptive in any way.
Just like the raid itself, which depicts the US as out for revenge and not even attempting to bring bin Laden in alive (contrary to official reports, but in keeping with what many people have ascertained). If you're a rah-rah American patriot you might cheer this, and if you are a critic of US foreign policy you might feel disturbed as you watch it. I think that's the power of the film: it shows the events in their proper emotional context but doesn't try to steer the audience towards any conclusion. It's not about glorification.
I just woke up so I hope I'm not repeating myself.
I'll be sure to post here again after I see the film for a second time and my thoughts hopefully clear up a bit more.
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Re: Seen any good films lately?
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Re: Seen any good films lately?
by Eldorion Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:06 pm
I watched Silver Linings Playbook a few days ago. It's a romantic comedy-drama about recovery from mental illness, dancing, and football. It treads a very weird tonal line but ultimately I think it works. It stars Jennifer Lawrence (The Hunger Games) and Bradley Cooper (The Hangover) giving two very good performances. I knew that Lawrence was a good actress from her successful indie work but this was the first non-Hangover role I'd seen Bradley Cooper in and I was pleasantly surprised by how good he was.
If you're in the mood for a mature but not too serious romance film I'd highly recommend this one.
If you're in the mood for a mature but not too serious romance film I'd highly recommend this one.
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Re: Seen any good films lately?
by Orwell Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:46 pm
Eldorion wrote:... It's a romantic comedy-drama about recovery from mental illness, dancing, and football...
Since when did people go into recovery from 'dancing'?
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