Re: The Desolation of Smaug pre-release thread [SPOILERS]

[Pettytyrant101]

Jackson only fucked up half of the film- Ringdrotten

Now Ringdrotten thats hardly fair on Pj- he still has two more films to go, give him a chance to finish and Im sure he will fuck up those 100% this time.

[Mrs Figg]

well at least Thranduil is hot

[Sinister71]

i wouldn't say he was "hot" Figgs, but I think he will be one of the highlights of the next film. Lee Pace is really talented and can make the crap dialogue that Jackson gives him work to the best of his ability.

[Ringdrotten]

"Now Ringdrotten thats hardly fair on Pj- he still has two more films to go, give him a chance to finish and Im sure he will fuck up those 100% this time" - Petty

That is my fear too, but my hope is, that whatever crap he may invent and implement in the story, he will at least include what's left of the book's story too, and that you'll be able to salvage those parts and get rid of the rest (just typing that made me feel like a freeloader  - whatever I and the rest of the "edit fans" can contribute with, we'll be here )

[Pettytyrant101]

Its much more fun to edit with the knowledge there is also an audience beyond me.  

[David H]

my hope is, that whatever crap he may invent and implement in the story, he will at least include what's left of the book's story too, and that you'll be able to salvage those parts and get rid of the rest (just typing that made me feel like a freeloader  - whatever I and the rest of the "edit fans" can contribute with, we'll be here )

   

[Ally]

I thought the film was pretty good

[RA]

That is my fear too, but my hope is, that whatever crap he may invent and implement in the story, he will at least include what's left of the book's story too, and that you'll be able to salvage those parts and get rid of the rest (just typing that made me feel like a freeloader - whatever I and the rest of the "edit fans" can contribute with, we'll be here )

As we live and breathe, it's what we hope.  

[Eldorion]

I believe someone said something like "it has been 60 years since the dragon was last seen"

Actually it was in Baggend during the unexpected party by Thorin after the dwarfs ask how many dragons Gandalf has killed and before Thorin is given the key. His exact words are "rumors have begun to spread, the dragon Smaug has not been seen for 60 years"

I guess it's up to interpretation, but I figured that line meant that Smaug had periodically gone out to ravage the countryside for some time after his arrival, but that he had stopped doing so and people began to wonder if he had died sitting on his mound of treasure.

[RA]

It goes along with Thorin being as young as he is.

[Eldorion]

Fair point about Thorin, though I think that was clearly made because they wanted an Aragorn-esque heartthrob and I'm not sure if the writers would have bothered thinking out the potential timeline implications (they either didn't or they just ignored the implications when it came to Aragorn's age in LOTR).

[chris63]

German Magazine Cinema, has published a pretty fascinating article all about the second Hobbit movie, “The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug,” dropping casual spoilers as if they are common knowledge. What is a little odd is that the magazine doesn’t make clear where it gets quotes from Peter Jackson or Evangeline Lily or Orlando Bloom and it sure doesn’t make clear where all the spoilerific plot information comes from. We can’t vouch for the accuracy of the quotes.
Friends at thorinoakenshield.net have a full online translation of the print publication and since we aren’t German speakers, we can’t say if anything is lost in translation, but it reads pretty clearly.

Here are some highlights but if you read beyond this point, expect full-on potential spoilers! (We can’t say if they are true or not, but the writer surely dishes the info matter-of-factly.)

****Seriously, last chance, major potential spoilers!****

“A greedy dragon, a rather testy skinchanger, a river ride full of action and the battle of the White Council against the Necromancer of Dol Guldur: Middle-earth fans should be prepared for something big; because with “The Hobbit – Desolation of Smaug” (starting December 12th) Peter Jackson will (once again) show all he’s got.”

“A lot of the appendices will also be used in part 2.”

“Hardcore fans will find the revelation of the Necromancer (Benedict Cumberbatch as CGI shadow) as witch master Sauron just in a couple of sentences in the book. And according to Tolkien the pale orc Azog doesn’t survive the Battle of Azanulbizar (in the beginning of “The Hobbit – An Unexpected Journey”), while Jackson definitively turns him into Thorin Oakenshield’s arch enemy now. Orcs invading Esgaroth on the other hand was completely invented by Peter Jackson. Just like Tauriel – this young, only 300 years old elf which will add a bit of femininity to the male dominated story.”

“This story needs estrogens”, Evangeline Lilly jokes. And Peter Jackson adds: “Thanks to characters like Tauriel we will discover more about the life in Mirkwood, which is completely different from Rivendell.” But the Silvan pointy-eared beauty is not supposed to be a mere copy of Arwen from the old trilogy. After all the people of the wood elves is a lot more dangerous and suspicious than Elrond and his companions. “We are like ninjas from the undergrowth.” (Lilly)”

“Peter Jackson not only uses additions like this to narrate a coherent chronicle of Middle-earth, he also uses them to sprinkle a little treat for spare time hobbits here and there. For example fanboys will anticipate the first encounter of Legolas and Gloin, father of grumpy dwarf Gimli from the “Rings” films. Other than “An unexpected Journey” the sequel is going to be distinctly darker though, stresses Jackson.

“One climax of the new trilogy, which over 2000 actors and extras worked on, is the death of the dragon. Whether Smaug’s fall will end part 2 however is yet unknown. Certain is that the Battle of the Five Armies will play the center role in “The Hobbit – There and Back Again”.

Those are the highlights and you can read the full translation right here, from ThorinOakenshield.net along with scans of the magazine’s pages while the German publication can be found online here, but we didn’t find a link directly to the article.

[Eldorion]

Wow, those are some pretty serious spoilers for the cast and crew to just be casually giving out like that (if they're true, that is).

[Pettytyrant101]

"a river ride full of action"
"Orcs invading Esgaroth"
"ninjas from the undergrowth"

Well it certainly has the authentic sound of PJ about it, sadly.

[Norc]

woah, spoilers what the fuck!

[Pettytyrant101]

It does warn of spoilers in the thread title Norc.

[Norc]

yeah, i didn't read all of them, jeez...

[chris63]

[Ringdrotten]

“A greedy dragon, a rather testy skinchanger, a river ride full of action and the battle of the White Council against the Necromancer of Dol Guldur: Middle-earth fans should be prepared for something big; because with “The Hobbit – Desolation of Smaug” (starting December 12th) Peter Jackson will (once again) show all he’s got.”

“A lot of the appendices will also be used in part 2.”

“Hardcore fans will find the revelation of the Necromancer (Benedict Cumberbatch as CGI shadow) as witch master Sauron just in a couple of sentences in the book. And according to Tolkien the pale orc Azog doesn’t survive the Battle of Azanulbizar (in the beginning of “The Hobbit – An Unexpected Journey”), while Jackson definitively turns him into Thorin Oakenshield’s arch enemy now. Orcs invading Esgaroth on the other hand was completely invented by Peter Jackson. Just like Tauriel – this young, only 300 years old elf which will add a bit of femininity to the male dominated story.”

“This story needs estrogens”, Evangeline Lilly jokes. And Peter Jackson adds: “Thanks to characters like Tauriel we will discover more about the life in Mirkwood, which is completely different from Rivendell.” But the Silvan pointy-eared beauty is not supposed to be a mere copy of Arwen from the old trilogy. After all the people of the wood elves is a lot more dangerous and suspicious than Elrond and his companions. “We are like ninjas from the undergrowth.” (Lilly)”

“Peter Jackson not only uses additions like this to narrate a coherent chronicle of Middle-earth, he also uses them to sprinkle a little treat for spare time hobbits here and there. For example fanboys will anticipate the first encounter of Legolas and Gloin, father of grumpy dwarf Gimli from the “Rings” films. Other than “An unexpected Journey” the sequel is going to be distinctly darker though, stresses Jackson.

“One climax of the new trilogy, which over 2000 actors and extras worked on, is the death of the dragon. Whether Smaug’s fall will end part 2 however is yet unknown. Certain is that the Battle of the Five Armies will play the center role in “The Hobbit – There and Back Again”.

Those are the highlights and you can read the full translation right here, from ThorinOakenshield.net along with scans of the magazine’s pages while the German publication can be found online here, but we didn’t find a link directly to the article.

If this is true the film is going to be so f**** s**t.

"a river ride full of action and the battle of the White Council against the Necromancer of Dol Guldur: Middle-earth fans should be prepared for something big; because with “The Hobbit – Desolation of Smaug” (starting December 12th) Peter Jackson will (once again) show all he’s got"  - F*** every single quoted word

"Peter Jackson not only uses additions like this to narrate a coherent chronicle of Middle-earth" - I don't often use the abbreviation that is lol, but... lol

"For example fanboys will anticipate the first encounter of Legolas and Gloin" - not at all

" the sequel is going to be distinctly darker though, stresses Jackson" -

[Eldorion]

It does sound pretty believable.

[Norc]

 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHG!!!! GERMAAAN! ICH KANN DEUTSCH SPRECHEN !!

[Eldorion]

ich nicht kann douche

[Norc]

actually, not bad dubbing, they kept bilbo's laughter though. if they are going to have it in german, this aint so bad  although all german sentences are fucking looong and the verb in the end have, so it might be a bit weird with the wording,.. maybe.

[azriel]

Fook that ! Its a hell of a lot better in German ! I cant hear the Boyens Bullshit ! Yay ! Actually, the voice overs were amazingly like the original actors, Now if the Germans can improve the script by dubbing, can they improve THE WHOLE FOOKING FILM !

[Mrs Figg]

Also from that magazine, this little jem. Kili is going to be romancing Tauriel according to them.  unbelievable stuff.  


... ''the resident elves Legolas and his father Thranduil watch the travel group just as warily. Let alone the inhabitants of Laketown Esgaroth of which Bard the Bowman slowly rises to be the leader. And the clumsy attempts of dwarf Kili towards elf Tauriel provide material for discussions. So there is a lot going on in Middle-earth. At least more than in the original from 1937