Re: The Bigger, Badder, Even More Serious Thread [3]

[azriel]

and something else I didnt like hearing from "Mad Maggie" was......."we".
When she had news of a grandchild she said "we" as tho she was fricking Royalty ! She used that phrase quite a bit. And as for a State funeral ! To elevate herself to that level is an insult to people that HAVE done better things, like Princess Diana for one. As the country is divided by "lovers & haters" & its NOT unanimous that she should be hailed as a great leader, then all she should get is a distinguished ceremony at best & private family burial.

[Pettytyrant101]

I alway assumed anyone further north than London hated her!

[Mrs Figg]

Berlusconi loves her, but then he is a big mafia criminal. fascist befriending, 130 criminal cases avoiding, underage prozzy loving, Bunga Bunga indulging idjit.

[azriel]

Well, Petty, there are a LOT of "maggie bashers" down here in the south. She couldnt crawl up EVERYONES arse down here ! She destroyed industry & manufacturing, She introduced us to the joys of the Poll (council) tax, She stopped free school milk, she looked down her condesending nose at us as tho we were vermin, she told us "if you cant find work in your own town, get on your bike & move to find work", (oh yeah,just like that!) And she didnt seem fussed at the injured "blown to bits" lads as they fought over the Falklands. The police (I assume with her consent) were overly heavy handed towards the miners. Men on horses, baton weilding, kicking,punching yobs ! & that was the police ! Some people think the south is wealthy, but, as the rents, cost of houses,living expenses are so high, percentage wise, we are no better off than our Northern friends. I cant wait to see her televised funeral, I bet it'll be an "all day-er". Im looking forward to see if the "haters" will be allowed to show THEIR "respects" (nudge nudge) They'l be silenced,thats for sure ! We are slowly going into communism, Open your mouth & your punished. I just need a bucket of Holy water ! Throw it at the witch ! watch her burn ! I bet even the Devil is bracing himself,scared she might end up with him ! I can see her now, re-arranging Hell & ordering the Imps & demons around !

[Pettytyrant101]

Oddly enough I was chatting with a Londoner earlier today, he is a taxi driver, and he said much the same thing- that if you wer ei nthe construction or the banking or the service sector then sure it was good for you- but she screwed the London poor as badly as the rest of us.

[CC12 35]

it isn't lack of charity.It's the shared experience of victims of Thatcher for whom there was no charity.& the growth of the selfish society

[azriel]

Oh yeah ! & that really bright idea of selling council houses ? Might have worked out if the money was used to re-build, but did they ? She was just as underhand,greedy & deceitful as todays MPs. She was the Witch Queen from Narnia, Wan..sorry... Bankers, did have a lucrative lifestyle, but havnt they always ?! What she started has festered & brewed right up to today. I think she started descending into madness,that she couldnt see, to the point even her own cabinet members started doubting her & left,

[CC12 35]

unconventional chemistry

[Pettytyrant101]

A lot of her policies are coming home to roost.
The current housing crisis, bedroom tax ect are a direct result of her policy to sell off council houses without building any replacements.
Generations having to live on benefits until that is the only way of life and the normal way of life for millions of kids growing up. That is a direct result of her closing down all our industries and factories.

There was a god example in todays Scottish Sun in their coloumnist Bill Leckie's piece;

'Within two years of being elected in 1979, more than 25 per cent of manufacturing jobs had gone. Whole communities were ruined at the swish of a pen.
I grew up in Paisley. Before Thatcher became PM, we had two world-famous thread mills, the Chrysler car plant, the papermill where my dad worked 12-hour shifts for 30-odd years, Brown & Polson where they made Knorr soups, Robertson’s Jam, Cadbury’s and more. At their peak, they gave employment to more than 30,000.
By a few months after Thatcher was out of No10, that number was zero.'

Today Paisley is known better for its drink and drugs than for manufacturing.

And as Thatcher focused on creating shops in the south, particualry in London which she completely restructured and regenertaed, there to this day has never been anything to replace those jobs.

This is why when I hear Cameron and is Tory elite attacking the poor as skivers and workshy I want to punch him in the face- they made this situation, this is a Tory legacy, a Thatcher legacy.

The poor have no choice, were given no choice, their jobs were snatched out from under them and they were encouraged to go on benefits, and no jobs were created to replace those lost so they had to stay on benefits, for two and into three generations now.
That's the disgrace of Thatcher. That's what she left us.

And Cameron thinks he is the second coming of Thatcher. And God help us he might be right.


I couldnt agree more Azriel- we are living in days directly resulting from Thatchers reign. Unfortuntely she cast a very long shadow over Britain.

(Although I have one thing to thank her for- Thatcher as PM as the reason we have a devolved Parliament in Scotland because the ground swell of opinion towards it was a reaction to her and her government- for her entire time in office Scotland voted no to the Tories, Tory MP's in Scotland plummeted to the present day 1. And the sense that we didnt matter. If England voted Tory we got them no matter what we voted for, together with the poll tax- introduced in Scotland a year before the rest of the UK, met with huge protests and punblic disorder and she told us to lump it, it was here to stay, then introduced in England, met same reaction, and she scrapped it, that told us what Scotlands voice meant to her (but she spent all our oil mne on Londons regeneraion then lied about the figures in Parlaiment), that all was what has led eventually to the upcoming Independence question).

[azriel]

Its amazing how one woman can cause so much hate, upheaval, & division between peoples of one nation. I think maybe Scotland was seen as so far off, atlas wise, that she didnt give it to much thought, But, the wealth hidden in Scotland proved to be useful tho ! Tell enough lies often enough & you'll believe them yourself ! I have a high reguard & respect for Scotland, & one begs the question...would Scotland do better without the pomposity of England ? Its the higher MPs that have most to lose & have the most to cover up ! Crooked bunch of bastards the lot of them. With Mad Maggie as the Black widow spider sitting on her throne, glaring down at the likes of Cameron, imitating her in every way. She's gonna haunt politics for ever !

[Pettytyrant101]

I think if Labour or even the lib-dems were in power at Westminister the vote would be 70% for the Union- with the Tory's led by Cameron and Osbourne? Its creeping ever closer to 50/50 and theres still a year to go.
Theres a big socialism difference beween Scotland and the Tories.
Having stuff like the bedroom tax imposed on us when every single Scottish MP at Westminister across all parties (bar the 1 Tory of course) voted against it and the Scottish Parliament has come out against it, but doesn't have the power to stop it, only makes a Yes vote more likely.

[Pettytyrant101]

Glasgow street party today-

[Pettytyrant101]

"What Margaret Thatcher did was turn the Scottish Parliament from being a nice idea - democratic advance to being something absolutely essential."- Alex Salmond

[Eldorion]

Nice to see some major UK politicians calling out Thatcher. It's a shame none of them are from England though.

I wonder if there would even be a Scottish independence referendum without Thatcher.

[Pettytyrant101]

Not a chance Eldo. It would be at leat 10 years further down the line still, if at all.

And her policies havent died- Blair adopted most of it when he got in and now Cameron is even worse.

[chris63]

[David H]

Exactly! Fair is fair!

[Mrs Figg]

I bet the Miners would dig that. boom boom!

[Amarië]

Heh, seems to be some confusion on Twitter re #nowthatcherisdead. Oh noes, Cher died!?!

[David H]

Heh, seems to be some confusion on Twitter re #nowthatcherisdead. Oh noes, Cher died!?!

it took me a couple seconds to get that!

[halfwise]

So she broke up state owned industry and private industry couldn't fill in? I thought the idea would have been to sell it, not destroy it like a pest. Am I reading this right?

[Pettytyrant101]

Didnt try to fill in Halfy- that wasn't the plan.
She shut down the indutry to break the Unions- no industry no members, no unions.
Now dont get me wrong, the unions needed curbed- they were making our industry unproductive and everyday lie a misery.
When Thatcher came to power there were electricty cuts at random every week- I can vividly remember the power just being cut off by the unions and sitting in candlelight.
Rubbish went uncollected, strikes and protests were every day occurances.
But her solution- to just remove all the industry, put the workers onto benefits and sell off what was left and then invest the money in service and financial industries in the south, tore the heart out of the UK.
She didnt curb the unions, she destroyed their reason for exisiting.

[Mrs Figg]

me too Petty, I remember spending most of the 70s in total darkness. we had to use candlelight, it was a nightmare if you were a teenager wanting to watch Top of the pops. the unions were much too powerful but she went to extremes, it needed balance but she wasnt exactly the balanced type. I remember the swirling pea soup fogs too before coal fires were banned, it was like living in Dickensian times, it was quite romantic on reflection, maybe thats why I like Sherlock Holmes. I walked back from school and it was dark and foggy, all you could hear was the clip cloping of horse drawn carts, and the steam trains hooting like owls. the 70s were cool.

[Pettytyrant101]

Except corduroy trousers

[Pettytyrant101]

Thatcher from the pov of a Scottish mining town, or whats left of it.

'New Cumnock is now a grey shadow of its former self.
It was once a thriving place that bustled with jobs and optimism — but now 14 of the Ayrshire ghost town’s 20 shop fronts are boarded up.
At the dawn of the 1980s New Cumnock boasted a population of more than 7,000 and two thriving schools with more than 700 pupils.
Now there are under 2,000 inhabitants and one school with less than 200 pupils.
When Thatcher wielded her axe on heavy industry four local mines were scrapped — putting more than 10,000 workers on the dole.
Ex-miner Jim McMahon said, 'She plotted to destroy communities like ours and we’ll never forget being called ‘The Enemy Within’. I blame her for everything — there’s nothing around here now for kids.
My daughter Dawn wants to emigrate to New Zealand to find work and if she goes, my two grandkids go with her.”
Former miner Barney Menzies, 55, said: “I saw my mum running after Thatcher’s car, screaming at her.
Some had sons in the police. There were lots of divisions triggered by Thatcher.
She tore the heart out of those communities.”