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Found a video where Cameron is on the opposition ribbing on Gordon Brown. Very interesting. I like the heated moments with the cheering and jeering. Don't get that in the US. Very entertaining.
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yes its very 18th century Blackadder. ''will the right honourable gentleman concede he is an insufferable pipsqueak''.
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And then there's Taiwan....
Unfortunately legendary shoe fight in which you can see members cowering behind a desk as missiles fly at them has been taken down.
I know a couple people from Taiwan. They don't seem to share our sense of humor about it....
Unfortunately legendary shoe fight in which you can see members cowering behind a desk as missiles fly at them has been taken down.
I know a couple people from Taiwan. They don't seem to share our sense of humor about it....
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Finished series 1 of the BBC House of Cards. Overall, I'm liking it more than the US version. I'm liking Urquhart more than Underwood. Kevin Spacey is an amazing actor, but Urquhart is more charming (although they are both disgusting sleaze-bags.)
I also like that the BBC version is moving faster and only focusing on Francis, where the US version focuses on both Francis and Claire, where the Claire sub-plots tend to bog the story down (and I'm just not a fan of her character in general). It only took Urquhart four episodes to get to where he wanted to go, but it took Underwood two seasons. Of course though, Underwood was going through the US political system, which requires more steps to get to the top.
I also like that the BBC version is moving faster and only focusing on Francis, where the US version focuses on both Francis and Claire, where the Claire sub-plots tend to bog the story down (and I'm just not a fan of her character in general). It only took Urquhart four episodes to get to where he wanted to go, but it took Underwood two seasons. Of course though, Underwood was going through the US political system, which requires more steps to get to the top.
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- The death of Mattie makes more sense at the end of series one than the death of Zoe at the beginning of season two in the US version. But it didn't really come across as a surprise when Mattie headed up to the roof; it was fairly obvious what was going to happen, mostly because I had seen the US version.
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Didn't realize House of Cards was a British import. Don't the Brits steal anything from the Yanks? (other than music).
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It looks like the Brits have come up with localized versions of "America's Next Top Model" and "Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader", but I'm not sure either of those compare to, say, the Idol franchise in popularity or The Office or House of Cards in quality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_television_series_based_on_American_television_series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_television_series_based_on_British_television_series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_television_series_based_on_American_television_series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_television_series_based_on_British_television_series
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I think us Brits are more influenced by the style of US shows than the actual ideas themselves. I think the use of editing and atmosphere say of Twin Peaks or X Files has been very influential. You see it in cop shows like Luther, its dark and gritty. Theres a lot of shows influenced by Lost, even Dr Who and Sherlock have that glamorous sheen that you find in the US. Its ok as long as they dont overdo it. I find CSI shows a bit much sometimes, but Breaking Bad was brilliant and very fresh looking in comparison to CSI stuff.
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Bungo Id agree with your overall assessment. I found the addition of the wives story lines in the US version felt like padding and didn't really go anywhere or add anything to the overall plot.
When it comes to where the character gets to I think the difference in political systems changes that-
When it comes to where the character gets to I think the difference in political systems changes that-
- Spoiler:
- in the UK version he is PM by end of series 1- but he still has the monarchy to deal with (the subject of series 2). The US, not being a proper country, has no monarch, so if he had become President in the first series there would be nowhere else for him to go.
The death of Mattie worked for me. I was shocked by it first time I saw it. For me it worked in reverse, I was surprised when it didnt happen at the end of season 1 in the US version, and unmoved by it when it did at the start of season 2.
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In response to your spoilery points:
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- The progression of FU's plan is pretty much as close to the original as it can be given the different systems. By the end of the first season, Underwood is in the executive and able to start calling policy shots, but he still has to deal with the President, who is his boss. In season two, he turns on the President, who he's expected to be loyal to, and defeats him. The biggest difference is that in the UK version, the King's involvement in politics was unusual and arguably unconstitutional, which gave Urquhart an additional weapon to use against him, but in the US version it was the President's connection to illegal fundraising that Underwood was able to leverage.
The death of the reporter character wasn't going to come as a surprise to anyone who is familiar with the original. Speaking anecdotally, though, it was definitely a shocker to the rest of my family who are unfamiliar with the British version of the show. I had forgotten much of what I'd read about the UK version myself, and so while I wasn't as surprised as them, it definitely caught me off guard.
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- Spoiler:
- I think the death is more shocking in whichever you saw first. But I felt it was better placed at the end of a series rather than the start of the next.
I had assumed they must have thought of some further involvement for her which was why she had not been killed off as in the original, so I was somewhat surprised still she died immediately anyway.
A friend and I had a lot of fun speculating on how the US version would deal with series two and the Royal aspect and the solution they come up with was really the only feasible way. In effect they are both still about the same thing, trying to topple the Head of State.
Another difference I noticed in the character of Francis is that the UK version he seems to have a much clear vision from the very start of how he wants the country to be, the sort of PM he will be, the sort of policies he will enact. Whereas in the US version you get the sense of a man slighted, and you get the underhanded viscous thug he really is under it all, but you dont get a sense of his own self belief in his destiny anything as strongly. And for me iot makes the character less interesting.
There is a self awareness to the UK version as well, such as right at the start when he tells his wife that the local party people were saying he should run for PM, and he quotes Macbeth, "Glamis, Cawdor and King hereafter."
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- I can see how the death was disappointing since you were expecting them to depart from the original, but I think that for someone watching the show with no prior knowledge, a death that early in the season (particularly since they featured her prominently in the advertising) was plenty shocking and dramatic. They built up the Russo character (analagous to the PR director in the British version) significantly and so I think his death was more emotionally significant in the story than O'Neill's, and thus following it up so quickly with another murder would have diluted the impact of both.
I agree that Underwood in the US version does not seem to be interested in principles at all, or even in politics all that much. I think he has a line to the audience in the first season where he says that he doesn't care about ideology, but watching his behavior, it's evident that he doesn't really care about anything other than acquiring personal power, even if it means he ascends to an office that is tarred with scandal, a reputation that is in tatters, and a minimum of political capital to work with. Although I suppose he doesn't need any of those things since the writers are very clearly on his side in helping him get his way. But yeah, much as I've enjoyed the show, these parts do bug me.
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Much like the main differences between the versions portrayal of the main character, the US theme tune lacks the charm of the original.
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That is so British sounding.
Edit: It's definitely a lot less moody than the US theme, though it makes for a rather curious contrast with the show's content.
Edit: It's definitely a lot less moody than the US theme, though it makes for a rather curious contrast with the show's content.
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I think it fits with the gleefulness with which he goes about things. The US version never seems to really enjoy his evil, the UK version he is often moved to humour and to smiling at his own schemes, and the playful way he involves the viewer in it all.
There is a likeability about the character in the original that despite everything he does makes it hard to not still root for him, I think the theme conveys that side of it well whilst subverting the classic pompous sounds associated with Parliament.
There is a likeability about the character in the original that despite everything he does makes it hard to not still root for him, I think the theme conveys that side of it well whilst subverting the classic pompous sounds associated with Parliament.
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That sounds like a reasonable way of interpreting it.
I wonder why the writers chose to make the US version "darker" and more serious. Perhaps it was personal preference, or perhaps they didn't think the more playful or satirical edge would be as popular with American audiences. There has certainly been a cultural trend toward "dark and gritty" in movies, maybe it's also affecting TV.
I wonder why the writers chose to make the US version "darker" and more serious. Perhaps it was personal preference, or perhaps they didn't think the more playful or satirical edge would be as popular with American audiences. There has certainly been a cultural trend toward "dark and gritty" in movies, maybe it's also affecting TV.
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I dont know- for along time it was generally considered here that Americans didnt 'do' satire or irony but tend to take everything at face value.
Maybe there is some truth to that after all.
Maybe there is some truth to that after all.
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You imply that that perception is less common nowadays; can I ask what changed?
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The Simpsons largely- which displayed a shocking level of satire for a US program.
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Ah, that makes sense. The Simpsons (of the '90s) is definitely one of the best comedy series ever produced in America.
Edit: Though we did have Airplane! before then. I recall you trying to convince me of its qualities once a long time ago.
Edit: Though we did have Airplane! before then. I recall you trying to convince me of its qualities once a long time ago.
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Airplane is a style of US humour that when you do well you do very well, better than anyone else, but more often its not done well and then its awful.
I wouldn't say Airplane was a satire though. Its very much vaudeville to me. Quick fire gags one on top of the other, a lot of physical humour and sight gags. Its really just a whole lot of comedy sketches strung together on a premise.
I wouldn't say Airplane was a satire though. Its very much vaudeville to me. Quick fire gags one on top of the other, a lot of physical humour and sight gags. Its really just a whole lot of comedy sketches strung together on a premise.
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True. Looking back, it sort of reminds me of a Marx Brothers film, and they famously got their start in vaudeville.
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I think a lot of humour based on irony and dark satire comes from Jewish comedians, its at the origins of Mancunian humour as theres a big historically based Jewish community here. as well as US humour which is probably coming out of places like NY.
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it sort of reminds me of a Marx Brothers film- Eldo
I have a love/hate relationship with their stuff. I love the one liners and I hate the slapstick.
But just occasionally they get the balance between the two spot on-
I have a love/hate relationship with their stuff. I love the one liners and I hate the slapstick.
But just occasionally they get the balance between the two spot on-
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Duck Soup is one of their most famous movies, but I find it infuriating. It's basically a bunch of stuff going on that looks like team improv, with Groucho stepping in and shooting off completely irrelevant strings of one-liners as if someone told him to fill time because the rope for the curtain got stuck.
I think individual moments are okay, but stringing random stuff together does not make a movie. Can't say I'm a fan.
Edit: I realize that description may sound beguiling, but trust me, 90 minutes of it is too much.
I think individual moments are okay, but stringing random stuff together does not make a movie. Can't say I'm a fan.
Edit: I realize that description may sound beguiling, but trust me, 90 minutes of it is too much.
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