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Post by bungobaggins Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:24 pm

Found a video where Cameron is on the opposition ribbing on Gordon Brown. Very interesting. I like the heated moments with the cheering and jeering. Don't get that in the US. Very entertaining. Smile


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Post by Mrs Figg Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:30 pm

yes its very 18th century Blackadder.  Laughing ''will the right honourable gentleman concede he is an insufferable pipsqueak''.   Laughing 

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Post by halfwise Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:16 am

And then there's Taiwan....



Unfortunately legendary shoe fight in which you can see members cowering behind a desk as missiles fly at them has been taken down.  Razz

I know a couple people from Taiwan.  They don't seem to share our sense of humor about it....

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Post by bungobaggins Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:24 am

Finished series 1 of the BBC House of Cards. Overall, I'm liking it more than the US version.  Shocked  I'm liking Urquhart more than Underwood. Kevin Spacey is an amazing actor, but Urquhart is more charming (although they are both disgusting sleaze-bags.)

I also like that the BBC version is moving faster and only focusing on Francis, where the US version focuses on both Francis and Claire, where the Claire sub-plots tend to bog the story down (and I'm just not a fan of her character in general). It only took Urquhart four episodes to get to where he wanted to go, but it took Underwood two seasons. Of course though, Underwood was going through the US political system, which requires more steps to get to the top.

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Post by halfwise Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:54 am

Didn't realize House of Cards was a British import. Don't the Brits steal anything from the Yanks? (other than music).

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Post by Eldorion Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:15 am

It looks like the Brits have come up with localized versions of "America's Next Top Model" and "Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader", but I'm not sure either of those compare to, say, the Idol franchise in popularity or The Office or House of Cards in quality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_television_series_based_on_American_television_series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_television_series_based_on_British_television_series
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Post by Mrs Figg Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:42 pm

I think us Brits are more influenced by the style of US shows than the actual ideas themselves. I think the use of editing and atmosphere say of Twin Peaks or X Files has been very influential. You see it in cop shows like Luther, its dark and gritty. Theres a lot of shows influenced by Lost, even Dr Who and Sherlock have that glamorous sheen that you find in the US. Its ok as long as they dont overdo it. I find CSI shows a bit much sometimes, but Breaking Bad was brilliant and very fresh looking in comparison to CSI stuff.
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:35 pm

Bungo Id agree with your overall assessment. I found the addition of the wives story lines in the US version felt like padding and didn't really go anywhere or add anything to the overall plot.

When it comes to where the character gets to I think the difference in political systems changes that-
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Post by Eldorion Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:17 pm

In response to your spoilery points:

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:26 pm

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Post by Eldorion Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:33 pm

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Post by bungobaggins Sat Mar 15, 2014 1:46 pm



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Post by Pettytyrant101 Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:23 pm

Much like the main differences between the versions portrayal of the main character, the US theme tune lacks the charm of the original.

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Post by Eldorion Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:32 pm

That is so British sounding. Razz

Edit: It's definitely a lot less moody than the US theme, though it makes for a rather curious contrast with the show's content.
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:35 pm

I think it fits with the gleefulness with which he goes about things. The US version never seems to really enjoy his evil, the UK version he is often moved to humour and to smiling at his own schemes, and the playful way he involves the viewer in it all.
There is a likeability about the character in the original that despite everything he does makes it hard to not still root for him, I think the theme conveys that side of it well whilst subverting the classic pompous sounds associated with Parliament.

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Post by Eldorion Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:39 pm

That sounds like a reasonable way of interpreting it. Thumbs Up

I wonder why the writers chose to make the US version "darker" and more serious.  Perhaps it was personal preference, or perhaps they didn't think the more playful or satirical edge would be as popular with American audiences. There has certainly been a cultural trend toward "dark and gritty" in movies, maybe it's also affecting TV.
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:43 pm

I dont know- for along time it was generally considered here that Americans didnt 'do' satire or irony but tend to take everything at face value.
Maybe there is some truth to that after all.  Shrugging 

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Post by Eldorion Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:49 pm

You imply that that perception is less common nowadays; can I ask what changed? Razz
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:02 pm

The Simpsons largely- which displayed a shocking level of satire for a US program.  Nod 

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Post by Eldorion Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:03 pm

Ah, that makes sense.  The Simpsons (of the '90s) is definitely one of the best comedy series ever produced in America. Thumbs Up

Edit: Though we did have Airplane! before then. Razz I recall you trying to convince me of its qualities once a long time ago. Very Happy
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:31 pm

Airplane is a style of US humour that when you do well you do very well, better than anyone else, but more often its not done well and then its awful.
I wouldn't say Airplane was a satire though. Its very much vaudeville to me. Quick fire gags one on top of the other, a lot of physical humour and sight gags. Its really just a whole lot of comedy sketches strung together on a premise.

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Post by Eldorion Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:37 pm

True. Looking back, it sort of reminds me of a Marx Brothers film, and they famously got their start in vaudeville.
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Post by Mrs Figg Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:47 pm

I think a lot of humour based on irony and dark satire comes from Jewish comedians, its at the origins of Mancunian humour as theres a big historically based Jewish community here. as well as US humour which is probably coming out of places like NY.
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:12 pm

it sort of reminds me of a Marx Brothers film- Eldo

I have a love/hate relationship with their stuff. I love the one liners and I hate the slapstick.
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Post by halfwise Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:42 pm

Duck Soup is one of their most famous movies, but I find it infuriating.  It's basically a bunch of stuff going on that looks like team improv, with Groucho stepping in and shooting off completely irrelevant strings of one-liners as if someone told him to fill time because the rope for the curtain got stuck.

I think individual moments are okay, but stringing random stuff together does not make a movie.  Can't say I'm a fan.

Edit: I realize that description may sound beguiling, but trust me, 90 minutes of it is too much.

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