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society is making the films you don't like

i thought we were talking about one particular cinematic genre petty

classic films probably weren't all considered populist at the time- CC

I was trying not to think retrospectively, just of the sort of films that were put out by Hollywood studous over the years- there has always been dross, but story and character were nearly always the heart of them, dross or not.
Its had to imagine a big studio for example puttingout Whose Afraid of Virginia Woolf or somethin gof that mood in todays market.
Yet its its quite easy to imagine the subject tackled on TV drama.
Something has changed.

i thought we were talking about one particular cinematic genre petty - CC

I am (sort of) - I am talking about Hollywood genre films. Those produced by the big Hollywood studios. Mainly blockbusters these days.

CC12 35 wrote:society is making the films you don't like

No.  People are making the films I don't like.  And people produce a lot of would-be blockbusters, not all of which are mainstream.  While "society" as a whole determines which of these become popular, society has been known to change its tastes and make exceptions to general rules, which sometimes leads to longer-term changes.  Hence why I think blockbuster cinema is a potential avenue for changing attitudes about gender in pop culture.

I am NOT saying that blockbusters are going to change gender roles in society as a whole.  You're the one who brought that up.

you overestimate the influence of cinema on society. society changes over real life events not the arts and cinema is not an intellectual movement that will inspire others to change and imprint it's influence on a culture

maybe i can't really remembetc

sometimes i don't know how i think

I for one dont give a monkeys about influence- I just want to watch good films, with good stories, good characters, real development. And Holywood has stopped making them.

I dont think Hollywood is reflecting anything any more, society least of all, and art at least ought to be a mirror. Thats why blockbuster films feel so soulless and mechanical now I reckon.

goodnight

Eldorion wrote:Hence why I think blockbuster cinema is a potential avenue for changing attitudes about gender in pop culture.

I am NOT saying that blockbusters are going to change gender roles in society as a whole.

CC12 35 wrote:you overestimate the influence of cinema on society.

I give up.

sorry

i think you are right im not sure what i was thinking

goodnight

Night

CC12 35 wrote:sorry

i think you are right im not sure what i was thinking

goodnight

I'm not necessarily trying to say that you're wrong, it just feels like we're having two different conversations.

Do you people not sleep?

Talking about influencing, I do think that pop culture has a huge influence on society. That is both in what it portrays (I.e. stick thin girls, gangster culture, greed is good) and how it does it (I.e. leaving nothing to the imagination, not requiring its audience to really participate).

I see children these days watching ridiculous american crap with those awful laughter tracks in completely inappropriate places and if you look at the kids, there is genuinely no emotion going on. The dont find it funny, happy, sad or anything. And then they go out talking to people like they see on t.v. which is normally quite rude and often involves no thought in to what they are actually saying because they seem to lack the capacity to think... why would they when everything is spoon fed to them?

That is why I think some of the pixar stuff (cars, despicable me etc) is actually quite good as the people making it clearly love what they are doing and it shows by the content. They are some of the few films that actually seem to ellicit emotional response which me they get kids thinking.

And I singled out american crap as that seems to be the template for kids channels these days... but seriously, dont get me started on some of the English reality t.v. bullshit that seems to be so popular.

I need to sleep momentarily, but I'm five hours behind all you UK peeps.

You make some interesting observations, but I'll need to be more awake to fully process it all.

this is a very interesting discussion.

Was that sarcasm norclet?

no it wasn't i just .. i thought of adding something to it, but i couldn't come up with something new that I hadn't already say.

films that are produced today are hanging on by their finger nails,in my view. "cinema" is trying to preempt what people want. I wonder how many good scripts are turned away on a daily basis in favour of the imbecilic or the return to Comic book hero's like "Spiderman" ? Ive noticed an increase in Comic book hero types lately. Steering away from "Hollywood" Ive found interesting work done by small independents, Indie & Foreign film makers. And I think Mature actors are realising this & turning their hand to movie production, Ie: Robert Redford, Kevin Costner etc.There is also the rash of young talent that believes it can better previous films. Thru lack of communication we have less choice, so making the better of two evils look inviting to watch then makes that film look like a "blockbuster" or at the least, a darn good film ? Ratings go up cause of this, yet it isnt a true representation.

I think the tv and film medium is where boundaries can be pushed. I remember during Live Aid in the 80s, Bob Geldoff said 'fucking give us the money', it was probably the first time on national tv that word had been allowed, or passed, but it was live tv, anyway since then those boundaries have been pushed so far that on GOT they regularly use the C word. Its the same with nudity, violence, gender issues and sexual orientation. Film makers reflect society, it can also challenge stereotypes, it can be a tool for changes and mental shifts albeit subtle. Hollywood tries to give people what it thinks they want, for profit obviously, like coca cola, it doesnt give a toss about if rots your teeth. the only truly revolutionary filmaking is from indipendants.

GOT is filth. I haven't followed the story but do turn over ocassionally in case there is any female nudity.

Did anyone watch 'the fall' on bbc 2 recently?

OMG! i want to see that movie! why don't i have bbc 2

thranduil is in it.

Think we are talking about different things norcy. This was a 5 part drama. Had gillian anderson in it (who is still quite the fox).

oh. ok.

Sure the other is good too...