US General Elections 2020

Lancebloke wrote:That's cause you a far right thug!

Mrs Figg wrote:    finally someone with balls in the White House!

halfwise wrote:At least it was a quick defeat.

I think you are right on target with most of what you said, Malick.  The only thing I'd argue with is the national abortion ban - Trump is enough of a politician to see the country is not with him on that.  In fact he's not "with" anything, just doing whatever he feels will gain him support, which is the point of democracy in any case.

I'm not happy with it, and I feel for Ukraine most of all.  They've put up too good a fight to go under like probably will happen.

I'm surprised it went as decisively as it did but NYC is an echo chamber when it comes to politics, so except for my Trump supporting friends in Pennsylvania I didn't see the full scale of his support.

Mrs Figg wrote:Nobody pretends Trump is a nice human being.

The positives as I see it.

As far as Ukraine is concerned what is it now but a gigantic meatgrinder for fighting age men on both sides. It is a forever war until they both exhaust the supply of bodies. A ceasefire is the only way forward and Trump may insist on it.

I hope Trump puts a swift stop to the free free plasticine! hamas supporting, antisemitic, middle-class cosplaying cretins. I hope he makes it illegal to openly support anti-American terrorist organisations and any campus that allows it gets defunded.

I hope Trump bans the mutilation of children with chemical castration and surgery. Only people from the age of 18 should be able to ruin their lives with their own consent.

I hope Trump removes sanctuary city status and builds The Wall. I hope there is mass deportation back to South American countries and Africa. I hope that cities once again become safe places for American citizens. No more illegals in hotels, social degradation, tent cities and crime off the charts. Only families with children should be allowed to stay.

I hope this is the end of the insidious DEI grift. And people are once again chosen for their character and skills not their skin colour.

Trump has a LOT of damage to reverse.

Mostly I hope he gives a rocket to David Lammy and Two Tier Keir.



I'm not convinced Putin would stop at a ceasefire...that's not to say I want the war to continue I just don't believe he will stop there if he wins now, letting Putin conquer a fellow European country whilst we stand idly by may be come back to bite us all on the arse in the future. Either way I have agreed with Trump from the start that Europe has been far too reliant on the United States, perhaps now it will be a wakeup call for our armed forces to get some badly needed recruitment and investment.

I don't doubt Trump will be very pro-Israel and sit by whilst the conflict continues, Hamas needs to be destroyed but bombing the shit out of the strip and killing thousands of civilians probably isn't going to make things any easier to bring that conflict to a end, Israel has the right to defend itself and people have the right to take issue with the numbers of innocent people being killed. if Trump wants to stay out of European conflicts he should then do the same with the Middle East i.m.o if he leaves Ukraine high and dry he should cut funding to Israel too i.m.o.

I know your views on the Transgender Issue, but do you think they'll stop there? (i don't generally know enough about this issue to comment, but I agree that adults should have the freedom to do what they want with their own bodies) If trans rights are rolled back. further LGBT, reproductive and workers rights will be next on the chopping board, for a party that screams about personal Freedom the GOP certainly seem keen to dictate what people do with their own bodies.

Trump had 4 years to build the wall and deport millions already, he didn't make much progress the first time, not entirely convinced he'll do so this time either. Whilst I agree Illegal immigration is a huge issue both in the US and the UK, spending millions deporting millions seems unrealistic. Nearly half of the people I work with in my job (night shift at a supermarket) are (legal) Immigrants to the UK and all hard workers and tax payers, I often feel that most British people see jobs such as mine beneath them, I certainly don't expect the average American being willing to say work 60-80 hours a week picking veg on a farm for low wages, deporting millions of low paid immigrants won't suddenly raise wages  for the low classes, the US minimum wage hasn't risen since 2009 for a reason.

You say Trump has a lot of damage to reverse, and whilst I agree America needs change I'm really not at all convinced he nor his likely cabinet picks are the best choices to do so, I only see the country growing more divided the further right the GOP moves. 

(Not that i think Harris was a great choice either, she would have got my vote in a swing state but otherwise I would have likely voted third party I feel...but both of us are looking at things from an outsiders perspective, Halfwise as an American is far more attuned to the reality on the ground). 


As for Stamer and Labour...well I didn't vote for them (and have never voted Labour) but absolutely personally loathe the Tories, so I'm willing to give him more of a chance, as someone from a working class background with limited options I don't really see much change no matter which party in is charge in the UK.

malickfan wrote:

Mrs Figg wrote:Nobody pretends Trump is a nice human being.

The positives as I see it.

As far as Ukraine is concerned what is it now but a gigantic meatgrinder for fighting age men on both sides. It is a forever war until they both exhaust the supply of bodies. A ceasefire is the only way forward and Trump may insist on it.

I hope Trump puts a swift stop to the free free plasticine! hamas supporting, antisemitic, middle-class cosplaying cretins. I hope he makes it illegal to openly support anti-American terrorist organisations and any campus that allows it gets defunded.

I hope Trump bans the mutilation of children with chemical castration and surgery. Only people from the age of 18 should be able to ruin their lives with their own consent.

I hope Trump removes sanctuary city status and builds The Wall. I hope there is mass deportation back to South American countries and Africa. I hope that cities once again become safe places for American citizens. No more illegals in hotels, social degradation, tent cities and crime off the charts. Only families with children should be allowed to stay.

I hope this is the end of the insidious DEI grift. And people are once again chosen for their character and skills not their skin colour.

Trump has a LOT of damage to reverse.

Mostly I hope he gives a rocket to David Lammy and Two Tier Keir.



I'm not convinced Putin would stop at a ceasefire...that's not to say I want the war to continue I just don't believe he will stop there if he wins now, letting Putin conquer a fellow European country whilst we stand idly by may be come back to bite us all on the arse in the future. Either way I have agreed with Trump from the start that Europe has been far too reliant on the United States, perhaps now it will be a wakeup call for our armed forces to get some badly needed recruitment and investment.




I don't doubt Trump will be very pro-Israel and sit by whilst the conflict continues, Hamas needs to be destroyed but bombing the shit out of the strip and killing thousands of civilians probably isn't going to make things any easier to bring that conflict to a end, Israel has the right to defend itself and people have the right to take issue with the numbers of innocent people being killed. if Trump wants to stay out of European conflicts he should then do the same with the Middle East i.m.o if he leaves Ukraine high and dry he should cut funding to Israel too i.m.o.

I think Putin knows he cant win without serious damage at home, after all those bodies have to come home and people won't stay quiet forever. Maybe giving him a way out to save his face may be an option. i cant think of any other way out


I know your views on the Transgender Issue, but do you think they'll stop there? (i don't generally know enough about this issue to comment, but I agree that adults should have the freedom to do what they want with their own bodies) If trans rights are rolled back. further LGBT, reproductive and workers rights will be next on the chopping board, for a party that screams about personal Freedom the GOP certainly seem keen to dictate what people do with their own bodies.

I seriously doubt that LGB rights would be affected. Being gay is totally normalized. When you say trans rights being rolled back, I think childrens rights to be protected sometimes from their own parents. In Britain it is parents who give consent to surgery because children dont have the mental capacity. Lifelong mutilation is even worse.


Trump had 4 years to build the wall and deport millions already, he didn't make much progress the first time, not entirely convinced he'll do so this time either. Whilst I agree Illegal immigration is a huge issue both in the US and the UK, spending millions deporting millions seems unrealistic. Nearly half of the people I work with in my job (night shift at a supermarket) are (legal) Immigrants to the UK and all hard workers and tax payers, I often feel that most British people see jobs such as mine beneath them, I certainly don't expect the average American being willing to say work 60-80 hours a week picking veg on a farm for low wages, deporting millions of low paid immigrants won't suddenly raise wages  for the low classes, the US minimum wage hasn't risen since 2009 for a reason.

The first time he was fighting other groups, now he has control of the House and Senate. There will alway be low paid immigrants, the only difference is they will be here legally and there should be quotas. How many illegals from Haiti on government handouts are going to contribute taxes?


You say Trump has a lot of damage to reverse, and whilst I agree America needs change I'm really not at all convinced he nor his likely cabinet picks are the best choices to do so, I only see the country growing more divided the further right the GOP moves. 

Personally I think that poisonous and divisive critical race theory and gender politics has divided far more than people on the right ever has.

(Not that i think Harris was a great choice either, she would have got my vote in a swing state but otherwise I would have likely voted third party I feel...but both of us are looking at things from an outsiders perspective, Halfwise as an American is far more attuned to the reality on the ground). 


As for Stamer and Labour...well I didn't vote for them (and have never voted Labour) but absolutely personally loathe the Tories, so I'm willing to give him more of a chance, as someone from a working class background with limited options I don't really see much change no matter which party in is charge in the UK


Starmer is attacking his own people. First the old folks, then the farmers, who is next?


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