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Re: All New Who
by Amarië Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:52 am
Pettytyrant101 wrote:{{ When your cat (Sisko in this case) becomes addicted to Doctor Who videos }}
Probably interested in all those loose ends (or red herrings, depending on your point of view) Moffat leaves.
So cute tho, gazing up at Matt.
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Re: All New Who
by Amarië Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:50 am
...one more thing about Midnight is the Doctor and Donna relationship. She's not there with him - that would have been a whole other story - but she's there at the end.
As we are aaalmost on the subject of Colin Morgan (Jethro); I want him as the Doctor. I have a huge fan crush on Colin. If we do go back to white man, I want him. Surely Ireland is up for Doctor duty soon? Irish, and still not ginger.
As we are aaalmost on the subject of Colin Morgan (Jethro); I want him as the Doctor. I have a huge fan crush on Colin. If we do go back to white man, I want him. Surely Ireland is up for Doctor duty soon? Irish, and still not ginger.
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Re: All New Who
by Pettytyrant101 Fri Nov 19, 2021 12:14 pm
{{ So far Matt's her favourite, I think its the bowtie cats know cool when they see it 
Thats a good point about the Doctor and Donna's relationship in Midnight, its the only one to survive unscathed as she isn't there but the episode does end on the strength of their relationship. Interesting to muse how it would have gone had she been. }}
Thats a good point about the Doctor and Donna's relationship in Midnight, its the only one to survive unscathed as she isn't there but the episode does end on the strength of their relationship. Interesting to muse how it would have gone had she been. }}
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Re: All New Who
by Amarië Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:13 pm
So we just saw Once upon a time or whatever it was called. It certainly was... something, of that I quite agree. 
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Re: All New Who
by Pettytyrant101 Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:56 pm
{{ Yup 'something' does sum it up- I am somehwat curious however what you and Finrod made of it in terms of following the plot of this story arc. Its hard for me as someone with a lot of lore to bring to bear on this to know how it seems to a more casual viewer.
This is indeed as its title proclaims a worrinygly accurate parody of the tenure of the 13th Doctor. }}
This is indeed as its title proclaims a worrinygly accurate parody of the tenure of the 13th Doctor. }}
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Re: All New Who
by Mrs Figg Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:20 pm
hmmm 
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- there was some better acting and nice period work/costumes but the ending was disappointing. That shouldn't happen to the Doctor
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Re: All New Who
by Pettytyrant101 Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:23 pm
{{ Well thats the best episode yet, possibly of the Chibnal run. Not outstanding but solid, inventive, well shot and edited for once (except all the wide shots of the village where you can see for miles when its supposed to be just the village isolated in space!). What a difference Chibnal only being co-writer can make! (Id be willing to bet the worst bits of this- the plodding exposition bits and Bels story stuff were the Chibbers bits).
Figg for the moment Ill give it leeway to see where it goes, given its a cliffhanger. What really worries me is seems an awful lot to tie up and explain in the remaining two episdoes, I suspect we might be about to get an awful lot of exposition.}}
Figg for the moment Ill give it leeway to see where it goes, given its a cliffhanger. What really worries me is seems an awful lot to tie up and explain in the remaining two episdoes, I suspect we might be about to get an awful lot of exposition.}}
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Re: All New Who
by halfwise Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:44 pm
{{{ He's got all the time in the world to sit on his sore duff to watch and write about Who, but no time for Dune. Seems we'll never get the crabbit review. }}}
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Re: All New Who
by Pettytyrant101 Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:47 pm
{{ I had a minor Dune issue Halfy- my copy was fubar, colouring all messed up. Just got anothter copy today so its back on the cards. The crabbit shall come yet! 
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Re: All New Who
by halfwise Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:14 pm
Oh, you're doing it via streaming or something. Okay.
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Re: All New Who
by Pettytyrant101 Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:01 am
{{ Or something in this case. As it should probably be seen on the big screen however I plan to get as close as I can to that experience by watching it in Big Screen, in a VR cinema. }}
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Re: All New Who
by Pettytyrant101 Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:08 pm
{{ Better but Chibnalled, where being Chibnalled is like being hobbled, that's how I feel about this episode. There is a good Weeping Angels story in here, but its also hijacked and diverted into the service of Chibnall's overall Flux plot-line. Its at its strongest when its on the former ground than the latter. And I suspect Chibnall is responsible for the latter and Maxie Alderton the former in terms of the co-writing credit.
So maybe about a 7 for this. Its the best yet, probably one of the more watchable episodes of the Chibnal era, and a lot of the watchability is to do with it being the Angels and all their stuff was already established before, but its still also a bit of a mess too. }}
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After an initial clumsy scene in which the Angel that took over the TARDIS at last weeks cliffhanger is quickly got rid of with some techno-babble an then actual babble from the Doctor before finally the TARDIS team find themselves in 1967 in a small English village with a Weeping Angel problem.
In this village is an elderly woman who seems to know what's going on and has been trying to warn people and who tells the local Vicar to count the grave stones in the Church cemetery when he insist nothing is amiss. Upon doing so he discovers one extra, and Angel and gets zapped back in time.
This is the first big narrative issue we encounter, this vicar is here solely to help build the mystery and tension, same as the old woman, neither of them will serve any real narrative function whatsoever. Especially not the vicar. Throughout this episode we will see people get got by Angels, and in ever instance they go to 1901 in the same village. Except the Vicar who once got we never see or hear mention of again. Now it's possible he may turn up next episode, I doubt it, but he might. But in this episode he just disappears entirely. The uselessness of the old woman I will come back to.
Meanwhile a Professor is conducting a mind experiment on a psychic girl who is experiencing visions, recording her brain waves 60's style on a print read out.
This is the girl we first saw in episode one, where she walked up to the Doctor, recognised her said stuff she shouldn't know about, and knew about the Angels before being zapped back in time by one, ending up here in 1967.
You may be about to notice a pattern is forming in this 6 part Flux story. Here in episode one a mystery was set up - how did this girl know what she appeared to know? For most of this episode until the final twist the answer we are given to that is- she just has visions. All the possible questions that arose from the initial mystery boils down to that. As I say the final twist reveals there is more to it than that but that in turn causes an other issues further on we will get to. But as she has visions is the excuse given for the bulk of the episode it feels like a cheap answer for the bulk of the time.
The Doctor joins these two following readings from her sonic while Yaz and Dan go in search of a 10 year old girl who has gone missing in the village and people are out searching for. This is one of those rare episodes where they remember Yaz is supposed to have police training as she questions how the search is being conducted. They also meet the elderly guardians of the missing girl out helping in the search. He is an unpleasant unfeeling cantankerous type, she a well meaning but long suffering wife who is clearly more than aware she is married to an arsehole.
Whilst out searching Yaz and Dan encounter an Angel and get zapped by it to 1901.
Back with the Doctor and the professor and Psychic girl the house comes under attack by a whole gang of Angels. A drawing of an Angel the girl did follows the rule of an image of an Angel becomes itself an Angel and one projects from the image, prompting the Doctor to admittedly rather humorously get rid of it by crumbling the paper, and so it, up in a ball and throwing it in the fire and setting it alight, to only get a projection of an Angel now on fire attacking them before she finally puts the fire out and the Angel is destroyed. The Doctor has also done something clever for once and rigged a mobile up (not sure why she had one mind you but the Doctor apparently caries a mobile now) to a tv set so the Professor can observe them and hold them in place whilst the Doctor, who has realised the girl has an Angel in her mind goes into the girls mind to find and confront it.
We don't actually get a great deal from Chibnall in terms of adding to the Angels throughout this, from the girls having the dust come from her eye to the Angels projecting out of images, to hands and arms turning to stone, and of course don't blink, every one of them is something Moffat already did. In fact apart from the general don't blink rule all the rest happened to Amy in the Flesh and Stone two parter. So at points there is that nagging feeling of Chibnall reusing others ideas again in a slightly more awkward manner. The mirror scene, as well as being well shot, where she hallucinates the Angel wings sprouting from her back is a nice visual addition, but its not any different in concept than Amy hallucinating she is turning to stone and cant move. There's little new here. Its just more of the same that Moffat already gave us.
Its in the girls mind we get the first of two big twists in this episode, the Angel in her mind is hiding from the other Angels and needs the Doctors help. We also learn the rest of the Angels are an Extraction Team. Further it has all the information about the Division and the Doctor's lost memories, and is willing to trade them for the Doctor's help in keeping the other Angels from capturing it. So the Doctor agrees.
There are two issues here, how many times in this Flux story so far has it boiled down to the Doctor just standing still facing someone somewhere demanding a string of answers and to know what's going on?
She did in the first episode when Swarm telepathically has a chat ( something he has not bothered with again apparently or that's ever mentioned again or how he did it in the first place). It was just the two of them, a backdrop and the Doctor useless wanting to know what's going on.
Then in the Sontaran episode its her and the Sontaran leader just facing off across a Battlefield while she demands answers.
In last weeks the entire thing is largely just her floating about in-front of folk either expositioning stuff or demanding answers from the mystery old woman or the Mouri about what's going on
And here again we have her in someone mind, facing off statically with a bad guy demanding answers. As result its starting to feel very boring and anti-climatic. And whilst its often interesting to see the Doctor lost or not knowing all the answers, not like this, not when week after week its just her standing there demanding the bad guy tell her what's going on.
The other issue here is the Doctor is supposed to be smart. This Angel's story is that its on the run from the rest as it left the Division with all the information about the Division and its goings on. The Angel reveals the Division are everywhere and use everyone at some time or another. And she needs the Doctors help.
Problem is the Doctor already met this girl with Angel in hiding in 2021 and knows that in 2021 the girl got caught by an Angel and zapped back in time which is how the Doctor has met her again here in 1967. As a very smart person the Doctor should at this point be thinking, 'if they are trying to capture you and take you back to the Division why did they zap you back here when they caught you in 2021? They already had you, you were caught. This story doesn't add up.'
Now there is final twist which explains why the Angel in 2021 sent her back here, but the Doctor doesn't know that yet. From the Doctor's current perspective the Angels story has a huge red flag in it. But the Doctor fails to notice it. Chibnall is simply not good at demonstrating that the Doctor is the smartest person in any room, he is good at having it commented on mentioned or expositioned that she is, but we never see it. She is often way dumber than she should be (or her predecessors were) in order to facilitate the narrative progressing. And its annoying.
Back with Dan and Yaz they find themselves in 1901 in the same village, but its deserted except for the missing ten year old girl who joins up with them.
This girl is a complete waste in this, I have no idea why she is here. We learn at the start she is missing, then we find her obviously zapped by an Angel same as Dan and Yaz and then all she tells them is there is no one here- which we already saw in the walk through the village, it was clearly deserted. And then that you cant leave the village- but as they immediately try to anyway the reason why is shown so we'd have got the same information without her.
The reason they cant leave the village is at its boundaries the ground just stops and there is just the stars and space beyond or maybe some sort of void place.
So they go back to the village. And the children's guardians, who also got zapped by an angel show up. But upon trying to touch another a second time get disintegrated on the spot. The young girls reaction to this is one of the oddest things in the episode, upon witnessing her guardians be disintegrated in front of her she simply comments, “he wasn't very nice to me anyway.” Ok, what about the wife? She seemed ok, she seemed nice and not like him at all, was she never kind to you?No one mentions her at all. And the fact the girl doesn't seem to care at all makes her seem oddly cold and distant. I have no idea if they were trying to imply some sort of abuse, but if so they should have been clearer, especially as I say the wife seems like a nice enough person throughout. As it is the girls reaction to their deaths just seems out of place.
The girl then tells them about some old supposed stone age site out in a field that she doesn't think is really a stone age site, though unless I missed something why she would know this and how is not explained its just seems to be an excuse to get them there. Arriving they encounter a barrier through which it is night-time and apparently 1967.
The old woman that warned the vicar in 1967 is there and she it turns out is the young girl who will have to grow old into her the long way from 1901. This means however that this character, young and old are both pretty useless. As old lady all she does is get the Vicar zapped out the story. Then tells the young girl she is her. And as the young girl all he does is give redundant information we get shown anyway. She doesn't actually serve any purpose save to create the initial there's a missing girl mystery and the how does she know something is going on? when she warns the Vicar mystery. But like every Chibber's mystery it turns out they have no substance behind it, she is there just to create the mystery not to do anything else.
Meanwhile the Doctor and rest have fled the house after the Angels chased them out, the Professor gets got by the Angels and joins Yaz and Dan back in 1901 and the Doctor ends up at the same stone site where there is a barrier where she can see Yaz and co on the other side. The Doctor reckons the Angels have extracted the village from time in order to purge it and home in on their prey, the rogue Angel in the girl.
This whole extracting the village from its time, and the bit Yaz and Dan are in, was it extracted in 1901 or 1967? It's sort of a chunk suspended in a void or space or somewhere is hard to fathom so is there a big hole where half the village used to be? Do they physically extract it after all its seems to be the physical village. If it was only extracted in Time there'd be no space for them to be in. If it is just a chunk surrounded by black voidyness why in all the wide shots can you see for miles and miles to the horizon? - is it an illusionary horizon, a real one? So many questions raised so few answered, well none in fact.
All the Angels have now caught up behind the Doctor announce, speaking through the psychic girl, that they were never after the rogue Angel in her at all, that was all just a cunning trap to get the Doctor here as she has been recalled to the Division (format wise reminiscent of 11 being drawn into the Pandorica trap). This explains why the Angels zapped the girl here from 2021, they were not really trying to capture her just lure the Doctor, and that its wasn't just visions she was having the Angel was using her to lure the Doctor here by being deliberately mysterious.
Then the Doctor is transformed into a Weeping Angel. Cliffhanger...sort of...
One major problem overall here is there is no need for this whole elaborate plan. As far as I can tell all the events of this episode were unnecessary and pointless for all involved. At episodes start they get to 1967 because the Angel pilots the TARDIS there. It could therefore have piloted it anywhere- so why didn't it bring her right to this spot with all these Angels waiting on her arrival and do this straight off? Why al the elaborate rest of it to lure and trick her and moving folk in time with cryptic messages when they could just caught her like this from the off? What's changed between the start of the episode and the end that means they can only do this now?
Plus if the point of psychic girl/Angel was just to lure the Doctor to 1967 to interest her, why did we have to get to 1967 by an Angel just taking them there? If the Angels were just going to take the Doctor there themselves what was the need for the 2021 ruse at all or the mystery clues to the Doctor to lure her? Its just another fake artificial manufactured Chibbers mystery that's not really.
After a few seconds of credits we get a post Bel and Vinder scene- who Ive deliberately not mentioned yet. I'll deal with them now separately as they tend to ruin the Angel story and as it feels so dislocated from the rest bar its overall Flux connection I'll deal with it on its own.
So throughout this Angels story we cut away a couple of time to follow Bel's search for Vinder and his for her. Bel finds herself on a planet with a bunch of other survivors. The guy she meets there, the tall skinny one from Inbetweeners that gets a much better character and gives a better performance than is Inbetweeners co-star did in Orphan 55, he tells her that there's half a planet, a bit of a moon and a quarter of a star left after the Flux- so how they are even breathing on this planet or its gravity is still steady, or why the atmosphere is so calm and fine, how anything is still alive in this solar system is not explained. What exactly does the Flux do? We have seen it several times sweep through planets turning them to powdered dust, we saw it do it from planet ground level where it reduced the entire place, cities, ground and inhabitants to dust. But sometimes it doesn't and leaves bits of stuff? And people can survive on the bits? Oh I don't know! It doesn't make any bloody sense.
Anyhow on this planet the guy hasn't seen Vinder, but some person comes here to take folk away to a place that's safe. It turns about to be skull faced Azure and one of the Passenger forms that can somehow hold loads of people inside them. Bel however knows about Passengers and that that they are not salvation but prisons and against protest takes her new friend out the transportation zone as all the others get put inside Passenger. How Bel knows about Passengers is not touched on, but we do learn she was in the same organisation Vinder was but different posting. Given he also knew about TARDIS's it seems the government Vnder worked for and its leader the High Serpent or whatever also knows about all these things and other Time Lord like concerns. That corrupt leader also sported a snake tattoo which does make one think of the Corsair, mentioned by 11 in the Doctor's Wife as a Time lord who had been both male and female and who had been a 'bad, bad girl' but who also in every regeneration had a snake tattoo. And if your mind goes more to classic Who the Mara may come to mind.
Anyhow Bels new friend is still annoyed he didn't get to go to salvation and doesn't believe her so he stays on this planet while she continues on looking for Vinder.
The post credit scene Vinders arrives in the same planet and meets the same guy, maybe the place is so small now all that's left makes it easy to bump into the same person. Anyhow he finds out Bel was here and receives a message she left for him, a stupid one, knowing she is almost out of power she babbles generalities before telling him she is going to follow up on the Passengers things but take so long getting to it that when she comes to finally give her coordinates the power goes out and the message ends. But Vinder is determined to go and get her anyway.
This Bel/Vinder thing is pretty dull stuff, worse we don't learn much new- only that Passengers are being used to take people who survive the Flux- but if that's the case what was the blue stuff last week that was also taking people who survived the Flux? And we already knew this is what Passengers are for from all last weeks exposition about them. So while its better to see it being done than just told its what they do, its still not new necessary information.
All Bel does do is arrive on planet, meet someone, leave again. And all Vinder does is turn up afterwards, listen to her message and that's it. It just doesn't feel like it needs to be here and the Gothic, spookier atmosphere that makes up the Village narrative feels broken by the intrusion of the Bel stuff into it. Its a mood breaking shift. Who has a reputation for being to switch tact and tone on a dime, but it doesn't work if you try to shift the mood so completely. This goes from Gothic Halloween style atmosphere to space opera separated lovers and back. And it doesn't gel. And again other than purely plot points there is no narrative tether between the two stories, they are entirely separate in every way so they also feel dislocated and dislocate the viewer in turn and ruin the mood.
So, a very mixed bag. There is stuff I liked; the atmosphere in the village, the well realised period setting, Yaz being momentarily useful. There is some good direction and editing here and you need good editing to do an Angels story it was a worry going in on the up and down editing standards of this era, but it was tightly done here. Likewise the music was good, Akinola is doing a far better job at helping the mood and telling the story without being intrusive than previous series. Where not being intrusive seemed to be the aim to the point it did little to help. Here its solid mood setting stuff with even a nod back to Gold's score for Angels Take Manhattan. I also enjoyed all the supporting cast, particularly the Professor who despite having some very clunky dialogue at times played his part with solid likeability.
But there's also a lot bad too in the mix, mainly all the arc stuff about the Division and the Doctor's lost memories. The more they build up the Division as some shadowy organisation that's behind everything knows everything and uses everyone throughout Time the more boring I find it and the less interesting it sounds. It may as well be a sci-fi Spectre from Bond or something at this point.
So maybe about a 7 for this. Its the best yet, probably one of the more watchable episodes of the Chibnal era, and a lot of the watchability is to do with it being the Angels and all their stuff was already established before, but its still also a bit of a mess too. }}
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Re: All New Who
by Mrs Figg Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:30 pm
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- yep I agree, the Doctor is annoyingly useless in Chibbers version. It makes me feel like she wouldn't be the deus ex machina that saves the day, she would just run around like a headless chicken, not knowing what's going on and demanding answers like a stroppy teenager from all the baddies. She uses her sonic as an extension of her brain, not like a tool as the other Doctors use it. She relies on it because she is a bit thick. I noticed that Dan dolefully asked Yaz if they were stuck in 1901, well I would certainly have faith that Tennant and Eccy would return to save me, but I wouldn't bet on Whittacker saving me from a paper bag.
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She be spooky looking.
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{{ my two favourite versions of the Master on Tv right there. And yes Missy is terrifying, brilliant, funny, but terrifying.}}
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- Yeah that was bit of a mess, too many threads, hell of a lot to do in the final episode. If they just reverse everything will feel like a cop out. Lots of stuff seemed pointeless- what was point of bringing back Techdodahdumbname just to kill her. Last weeks clifhanger was undone in 2 seconds flat. The Yaz/Dan stuff was pretty pointless if theyd just cut it down to them meeting tunnel bloke it would have been exactly the same- the other stuff- globetrotting for pointless aritifacts was utter waste of time.
I think Chibnal might be on for another new record the 5th episode in a row to get under 80 on the Ai's as I'll be suprised if thats gets over. Hell at this rate this entire series might go by with every episode scoring in the 70's! And largely deservedly so. I really didnt want to know anything about the Doctors past, certainly not all we have got - its not interesting in the slightest to me and even detrimental in my view to the mystery of the character of the Doctor.
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Re: All New Who
by malickfan Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:49 pm
I didn't watch it but I gather Chibnall doubles down on the timeless child nonsense? Does he actually think that was a popular idea with fans? Or an interesting one to casual viewers?
None of the hardocore fans I know IRL thought it was a good idea, and the few casual viewers who still watch the show have been left largely bored or confused by Flux so far.
If the AI/ratings continue to sink I can't really see RTD or the BBC being keen to continue/follow up on that particular storyline.
Honestly I kinda hope Flux part 6 falls flat on its arse so it may persuade the Beeb to shy away from making Series 14 another one story serial, 2 or 3 part storylines are fine i.m.o but with less and less episodes being made each year I'd miss the variety of writers/stories if we were restricted to one continuous story per series, Dr Who has always thrived on change and experimentation...and I think we can write 'Flux' off as a failed experiment so far...
Kinda hard to see how Chibnall wraps everything up in just one more episode...
None of the hardocore fans I know IRL thought it was a good idea, and the few casual viewers who still watch the show have been left largely bored or confused by Flux so far.
If the AI/ratings continue to sink I can't really see RTD or the BBC being keen to continue/follow up on that particular storyline.
Honestly I kinda hope Flux part 6 falls flat on its arse so it may persuade the Beeb to shy away from making Series 14 another one story serial, 2 or 3 part storylines are fine i.m.o but with less and less episodes being made each year I'd miss the variety of writers/stories if we were restricted to one continuous story per series, Dr Who has always thrived on change and experimentation...and I think we can write 'Flux' off as a failed experiment so far...
Kinda hard to see how Chibnall wraps everything up in just one more episode...
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{{ yeah it's pretty unpenetrable Id think to the casual viewer, and quite unplalatable for a lot of folk who are fans I'd imagine. Certainly is for me. And yeah he's doubled down on the Timeless Child rubbish sadly. In fact I suspect it gets worse before the end (
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by Mrs Figg Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:07 pm
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- The Doctor storyline meeting her mum would never have been done with a male Doctor. Just sayin. It also destroys the mystery as you said. Compare if you will the two Doctors and which is more fascinating. The episode where Rose and Micky visit the super-nerd in his bedroom. There are strange timey-wimey sightings, conspiracy theories, the Doctor is an unknown phenomena and its brilliant. Its MYSTERIOUS. and then you get Chibbers spelling it out on a plate, we meet The Mother for crying out loud, what next, the Mother-in-Law?
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by malickfan Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:24 pm
Pettytyrant101 wrote:{{ yeah it's pretty unpenetrable Id think to the casual viewer, and quite unplalatable for a lot of folk who are fans I'd imagine. Certainly is for me. And yeah he's doubled down on the Timeless Child rubbish sadly. In fact I suspect it gets worse before the end (). Oh hes also interjected stuff into UNIT's past and founding now too
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Knowing Chibnall I wouldn't be surprised if your guess is more or less accurate.
I really really really hate the idea of The Doctor being predestined to being some sort of space jesus and the source of regeneration, what was wrong with the Doctor being just another timelord who started out as a ordinary but flawed person who set out in an unknown galaxy, and became a better person overtime from learning from his travelling companions?
It's in the bloody title of the show Doctor Who I never wanted to find out the Doctors origins not do I think it's a particularly interesting part of the show.
It also relegates Hartnell to just a footnote and undermines the 1st Doctor's character arc if he's just repeating similar adventures he's already had dozens of times before.
Honestly if the Timeless child crap is here to stay I'm not sure If I'll ever watch the show again, as far as I'm concerned the current shiteshow can largely be written off as an unfortunate mistake, I'm really really hoping RTD makes a complete clean break and brings the show back to basics again, if not...well I'll stick with the preceeding 12 Doctors and Big Finish, maybe some day Jodie will do some audios and actually get scripts that play to her strengths as an actress.
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Re: All New Who
by Pettytyrant101 Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:06 pm
{{ To go off topic for a moment- lets me forget this episode and series easier - remember few pages back I mentioned an interview with Moffat and RTD where they talked about their novelisations (RTD's of Rose and Moffat' Day of the Doctor) well still cant find the interview but found the quotes as they each sum up their own styles rather well and with a touch of humour, showing they really should just team up and to it together- }}
Moffat- I was incredibly happy with [my Doctor Who novel] right up to the moment I read Russel's. And then I thought 'Oh, that's how you do it! It's got funny backstories, character, ah, not 17 twists a page!
RTD- And I felt the same when I read Steven's! Because you've Gallifrey, and Daleks, and timey-wimey stuff, and mine's set in a council estate, and a shop.
Moffat- I was incredibly happy with [my Doctor Who novel] right up to the moment I read Russel's. And then I thought 'Oh, that's how you do it! It's got funny backstories, character, ah, not 17 twists a page!
RTD- And I felt the same when I read Steven's! Because you've Gallifrey, and Daleks, and timey-wimey stuff, and mine's set in a council estate, and a shop.
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Re: All New Who
by malickfan Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:57 pm
Pettytyrant101 wrote:{{ To go off topic for a moment- lets me forget this episode and series easier - remember few pages back I mentioned an interview with Moffat and RTD where they talked about their novelisations (RTD's of Rose and Moffat' Day of the Doctor) well still cant find the interview but found the quotes as they each sum up their own styles rather well and with a touch of humour, showing they really should just team up and to it together- }}
Moffat- I was incredibly happy with [my Doctor Who novel] right up to the moment I read Russel's. And then I thought 'Oh, that's how you do it! It's got funny backstories, character, ah, not 17 twists a page!
RTD- And I felt the same when I read Steven's! Because you've Gallifrey, and Daleks, and timey-wimey stuff, and mine's set in a council estate, and a shop.
So how would you some up Chibnalls' style/strengths as a who writer?
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