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Post by Pettytyrant101 Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:59 pm

So how would you some up Chibnalls' style/strengths as a who writer?- Malick

{{ His style is exposition, surface level writing with a lack of any substance, his strengths.....well I assume he turns up for work on time? Shrugging }}


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Post by Mrs Figg Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:00 pm

scratch umm!

oh yeah, he nicks other peoples ideas and makes them boring.
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:34 pm

{{ You know at this point, more I think about what Chibbers has done with the Doctor as a character, re the Timeless Child stuff. More my headcanon is incling towards the Doctor died with 12, that when 12 was in the snow it wasn't really earth, just some snowy planet. And when he was refusing to regenerate again wanting to just have peace and rest at last, the setting just reminded him of his first regeneration in the Artic and so he hallucinated the final 12 episode where he effectively said goodbye to himself, to the Doctor in the form of his first self. And to his most recent friends, especially Bill about whose transformation into a Cyberman he was racked with guilt and self blame for. And together with Nardole they are also representing all his companions over the centuries, and one who was particualrly dear to him the Brigadier, represented by the WW1 soldier, hallucinated as the Brig's grandfather.
And then the Doctor did indeed finally go to his peaceful rest.

He has afterall hallucinated in previous regenerations whilst going through the dying part of the process, 5 did and so did 11.

And if RTD can pull it back, I'll rewrite the head canon so this entire era of Chibnall's is a nightmare brought on by all his guilt over the years from so many of his actions. A nightmare version of his being, in which he becomes the all important greatest being in the Universe and not just a Gallifreyean at all or even a Time Lord, yet he will be useless as the Doctor never knowing whats going on, unable to work anything out and having to ask all the villains and monsters to explain whats happening. And all the companions will become personality voids who just stand around and only ever agree with what the greatest being in creation, the Doctor, but more the super being Timeless Child says or does. Then the Doctor will finally come out the nightmare and through the regenartion into RTD's new Doctor. Nod }}

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Post by Mrs Figg Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:39 pm

Well thats a typical Moffat style timey-wimey explanation. But My more prosaic version is that RTD just pretends Chibbers has never happened and starts afresh. I want the mystery to return, but Chibbers has ruined that.
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:47 pm

{{ I hadn't really considered that Figg. But then I suppose a very good reason I enjoy Moffats Who is its very much in line with my own tastes and humour. Wonder if its anything to do with us both being from the West Coast of Scotland and there is a cultural element to it (same area that gave the world comic writer Grant Morrison whose work also has a similar yet distinct style and who was also particuarly up my street too). Never really considered it before.
But I still prefer my headcanon over just pretedning it didn't happen. Plus makes 12's final line all the more poignant.

"Doctor, I let you go." }}

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{{ Things That Don't Make Sense - its a bumper edition this one strap yourself in!

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Buckie! By Eru I need this after that. }}

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Post by Amarië Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:18 pm

So we had time to watch village of angels and whatever yesterday's episode was called. Can this be over soon?

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{{ I'm afraid the answer is only maybe....there's so much to tie up hard to see everything getting done in 1 ep thats left. But there 3, yup 3 specials to come before they go. Mad }}

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Post by Amarië Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:41 pm

*sob* It's so boring!

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Post by Mrs Figg Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:14 am

I wouldn't want to watch them twice that's for sure. No  they seem to be getting worse as time goes on.
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Post by Amarië Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:30 pm

It's just a pile of nonsense. It doesn't make any sense. Everything that is almost viewable is a pale copy of past who and only plays on nostalgic strings. The angels were already ruined by Moffat, Chibbers both restores and makes a bigger mess of them. The candy scull baddies are at least better to watch than that tooth fairy creature. Sure, I often felt Moffat was insulting my intelligence, but I felt he at least assumed I had any! Mad Suspect

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:01 pm

{{ I'm curious in what way you feel Moffat ruined the Angels?

All the best bits of Chinalls episode with the Angels was just taking stuff Moffat already did with them; dust from the eye, hallucinating turning into an Angel, using someone elses voice to talk through, projecting from images, having an Angel in your mind. Only some things like the taking voices he does less imaginatvely, Moffat at least gave us Sacred Bob, Angel cruelty and there was a narrative reason in the taunting of the Doctor with Bob's death (and plays into one of my favourite exchanges in that episode between 11 and the Bishop which pulls up 11 who has been pretty dismissive of the Bishop till then and after which he gains a great deal more respect for the Bishop in turn playing into the Bishop's death scene)

DOCTOR: Called you an idiot. Sorry, but there's no way we could have rescued your men.
OCTAVIAN: I know that, sir. And when you've flown away in your little blue box, I'll explain that to their families.

Now using whats just a need in your story for the bad guy to be able to talk to the good guys to also layer your characters and their interactions, that's for me good writing.

Chibnall just has them able to speak in the voice of whoever is there and its only purpose is he needs the Angel to talk.
Its a good example of how Moffat layered his need for something technical- an excuse for how an Angel can talk- into the narrative and character arcs, whereas Chibnall doesn't and its just crudely done by comparison.
Another case of Chibnall taking something already done but implimenting it in a much weaker fashion. }}

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Post by Mrs Figg Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:49 pm

Moffat ruined them because he wouldn't let them alone. The more you see them the less scary they get. After Blink, he should only have used them once again, and Chibbers should never have used them. The Angels are done. Primarily because Moffat knew people liked them, and Chibbers because he had no new ideas of his own.
But at least Moffat used the Angels in a more interesting way.
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:30 pm

{{ He only has them in 3 stories across more than 7 series. And I supect there would have been some pressure from above as they were so popular from the off and that mean merch sales. But they were used a lot less than the Daleks/Cybermen or the Master in the same period were by either Moffat or RTD. }}

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:28 pm

{{ AI for this weeks mess was a predicatably low 77.

One episode left to prevent this being the first NuWHo series to have all episodes score below 80 in AI's. But even as it stands, 5 out of 5 so far is just terrible. }}

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Post by Mrs Figg Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:53 pm

Is this the last stuff by Chibbers, or is there more to come?
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:58 pm

{{ I think its 3 more specials- theres a New Year One, then the 'anniversary' special thats part of the BBC's anniversary stuff, then Jodie's regen special. }}

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Post by halfwise Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:00 pm

You guys must be crushingly bored to keep discussing something you not only didn't like but knew ahead of time you wouldn't like it.

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{{ Dunno about bored. Theres is always some interest to be found in when someting goes so badly wrong, look at all the discusion over the years of Plan 9 From Outer space. And theres something akin to the irresistable urge to pick at a scab when it comes to this show for me, I know its not worth it and probably just hurt but hard not to.

Plus Who is a show that constantly shifts and morphs and changes, and its about to do so again, so this is just seeing how it gets there. Its also a show that when it comes right down to it is an optimist and with a lead character who is the ultimate optimist in the end in face of unimaginably long pain. So there is always hope that among the general bad stuff something good might temporarily appear.
I'm sure if Amarie or Figg were asked they could probably pick some episodes from Moffats tenure they enjoyed and thought were very good. Just as I can episodes of the RTD era I think the same of.
Something else that sets the Chibnall era apart for me, there isn't a single episode so far that fits that category.
But I'll be like the Doctor and be optimistic still in the face of all the pain and keep watching to the bitter end in the hopes there might be one right at the last. }}

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Post by Mrs Figg Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:07 pm

yep, its scabs. Its like squeezing a particularly pussy spot. Disgusting, but satisfying. Plus the Chibbers era has seen a Christmas Day cease-fire between RTD and Moffat fans, as we are totally united in our disdain for Chibbers and his crappy episodes and cos-play Doctor. So that's a bonus. Very Happy
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Post by Forest Shepherd Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:33 pm

Hard to tell the difference between pussy and pussy when reading it. Embarassed

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Post by Mrs Figg Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:42 pm

Forest Shepherd wrote:Hard to tell the difference between pussy and pussy when reading it. Embarassed

Embarassed that depends on the way the tree blows in the wind.
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{{ Well its turns out
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Post by Forest Shepherd Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:26 pm

Extremely Crabbit Extremely Crabbit Extremely Crabbit Extremely Crabbit Extremely Crabbit

Make it stop!

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