US General Election 2016

Found this on reddit, the hosts of 'Fox and Friends' 40 seconds into Trump's rambling unhinged ranty phonecall from a few days ago, vs them 28 minutes into that phonecall

Still haven't heard that phonecall, but heard about it.

 in all its glory. when Fox is looking discombobulated you know there's trouble

Wait, one them actually pushed back at him! "Mr president, it's your justice department!"

https://www.facebook.com/abhijan.parui/videos/1769060349826920/

The scary part is how much people love the hatred.

This isn't saying anything everyone else hasn't been saying, but given the source....whoah.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-host-neil-cavuto-013439832.html

{{ So Trumps America First policy could equally be Americas Alone policy!
Trump has pulled the US out of the Iran deal with no backup to replace it.

Allies of the US and other signatures to the deal- China, Russia, UK, France, Germany- are all sticking by the deal- so is America going to start sanctioning allied countries for doing business with Iran? How does America impose sanctions on a country when they are the only country doing so? How does this help the situation? Seems to escalate the likeihood of regional war to me or regional arms race- or both.

And with the Korea deal coming up why should any country signing a deal with the US believe a word of it? All Trump has done with this and pulling out the Paris Accord ect too is prove that America's word is worthless and their commitment can change on a whim and you cant trust anything the US signs up to. Perhaps Trumps aim is to live up to the US middle-eastern reputation as the Great Deceiver!
How does this help anything the US included?

But perhaps most worryingly is that the reasons Trump gives for withdrawing are lies, utter lies.



When the only people cheering the US on are the barbaric murderous Saudi regime and Israel you know you've fucked it up! }}}

yep I agree. its a bad sign. how is one murderous regime better than another. apart from the pro-Israeli lobbies in America.

{{Things are already falling into a predictable pattern- Russia is saying 'look America is unreliable and you cant trust their words, but Russia, we keep our word and stick to our international agreements, do business with us instead.'
The US Ambassador to Germany has already warned German companies trading in Iran to wind down their business- putting the EU who are still in the deal at odds with the US- are the US seriously going to start sanctioning EU companies?
As for China- its good for them, they have billions invested in Iran already and sanctions will only scare off competition- as US sanctions mean nothing to China they will sweep up the spare markets with ease and gain further influence in the region as per their current globalization plans.
And in Iran itself Trump has handed a huge victory to the Iranian hardliners and done great damage to the moderates who got his deal through in the first place- now the old hardliners are triumphantly shouting 'see we told you, America cannot be trusted. They are liars'.
And if the deal collapses entirely then there is nothing to prevent Iran beginning immediate production of weapons grade materials, as they have indicated they will do if the deal falls through completely.

So what is the purpose of destroying this deal? As Boris Johnston said if you have someone in handcuffs why would you take the handcuffs off? Especially when you have no back up plan whatsoever for what to do in the absence of the treaty.

Lastly of course it completely undermines the US place on the international stage- even for US allies the US is now unpredictable, unreliable and cant be trusted to keep their word on international treaties. Who is seriously going to want to do deals involving the US now?
I foresee the steady rise in influence of Russia and China as a direct result of these actions. }}}

{{Here's the responses from the other countries who signed the Iran deal-

France- "France, Germany and the UK regret the US decision to leave the JCPOA. The nuclear non-proliferation regime is at stake. We will work collectively on a broader framework, covering nuclear activity, the post-2025 period, ballistic activity, and stability in the Middle East, notably Syria, Yemen and Iraq.....the deal is not dead".


Germany- "the deal makes the world safer. Germany can find no legitimate reason for pulling out of the deal."


UK-  "UK remains strongly committed to the JCPoA, and will work with E3 partners and the other parties to the deal to maintain it."


China- "China is committed to preserving the deal. Having a deal is better than no deal. Dialogue is better than confrontation."


Russia- "Russia will will try to keep the deal functioning. This could put the nuclear talks between the US and North Korea at risk."


Other important parties-


EU - "The EU will remain committed to the continued full and effective implementation of the nuclear deal.
We fully trust the work, competence and autonomy of the International Atomic Energy Agency that has published 10 reports certifying that Iran has fully complied with its commitments. The lifting of nuclear-related sanctions is an essential part of the agreement. The EU has repeatedly stressed that the lifting of nuclear-related sanctions has a positive impact not only on trade and economic relations with Iran, but also mainly, [it has] crucial benefits for the Iranian people."

UN- "The UN is deeply concerned, we urge the remaining parties of the deal to abide by their commitments.  It is essential that all concerns regarding the implementation of the plan be addressed through the mechanisms established in the JCPOA. Issues not directly related to the JCPOA should be addressed without prejudice to preserving the agreement and its accomplishments."

Turkey- "The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action must be protected and continue to be implemented in full transparency, uninterrupted and complete, under the control of the IAEA."

So basically Trump has set the US against ally and foe alike with this move. If the deal collapses entirely its potentially disastrous for the region- and if its preserved and saved by the rest of the world then all the US has done is discredit its own name and destroy a lot of its influence internationally at the same time.

Again- I struggle to see what Trump's plan is here or what the up side for the US is supposed to be by doing this. }}}

{{I'd have to take issue there Chris- Obama didn't give Iran anything- he lifted some sanctions allowing them to make money they should have been making anyway- it was their money, they weren't given anything. We just stopped being arseholes to their economy and deliberately fucking it.

Secondly Saudi are a far worst country and state sponsors of terrorism- all the 9/11 murderers were Saudi, the form of Islam which led to ISIS ect was created and promoted in Saudi, they are fighting a proxy war in Yemen where civilian casualties have been through the roof (and with Israel they are doing the same now in Syria, fighting their proxy war against Iran there too), they still think burying a woman up to the neck in the ground then having a crowd of men cave her head in with rocks is acceptable behaviour and just, and that gay people should be thrown from buildings. Remind me again why they are the good guys and our friends and Iran- with its voting and elections, women allowed to lead normal lifes- drive cars, vote ect is the bad guy? As far as I can see only reasons Iran is the bad guy is because Israel and Saudi want them to be for their own interests and Trump is doing their dirty work for them like a fool.
Trump seems to be creating new friends for the US- dumping and ignoring old European allies- now Trump is making the US besties with Saudi, Israel and other nutty religious extreme countries who back Trumps actions- is that the friends the US wants?}}

No interest in politics what so ever. Just thought it was funny.

Now if you want to talk about Manchester City winning the league then i'm all ears.

To the sports thread...........

{{Funny? In the BBST? What will be next?! }}}

From Fox news, why all the leakers in the Trump white house?  (can't be blamed on Obama holdovers anymore). Though the reasons are rather pedestrian.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kurtz-why-white-house-leakers-201204911.html

Am I the only one that thinks we shouldn't be negotiating with a dictator state run by a man who has political enemies in hard labor/starvation death camps, and executed his own uncle? Not to mention that it is a puppet state for China. KJU puts on smiles and bear hugs MJI but he's still the same despicable worthless sack of shit that he was before the Winter Olympics. I am convinced the only reason he's putting on this dog and pony show is because the sanctions are squeezing his people (I'm very sure he is well fed), and papa Xi is sitting back just watching for the moment. We shouldn't be giving these assholes anything.

Probably my favorite documentary about NoKo:

{{This is China's show- I think someone in the Trump admin finally got him to realise he was being played like a fiddle- as he announced when he called off the meeting that it was after N Korea meet with China, and today he went ahead with the sanctions on Chinese goods- but his back and forth, his initial falling right into Chinese hands and the position the US is now in- with the whole world expecting productive talks, is hard for the US to find a good path forward. Its been a joke from Trump but a typical bit of chess from China.

Just a quick mention on the Roseanne Barr thing- I notice every major news outlet is reporting her tweet for what it was- blatantly racist- except for Fox whose headline can only bring itself to say her racist tweet was 'racially charged'- interesting how far fox will go to stretch a term to avoid calling someone their channel has been praising a racist when they are racist.}}

To think you know exactly what is going on in terms of "chess moves" in the talks with NoKo, China, and USA seems a little presumptuous. It's just the talking points from the leftists on twitter. "Oh, the buffoon is getting played. We love Kim Jong Un! You show Trump who is boss KJU!" It's disgusting to see people root for a murderer just because they hate Donald Trump so much.

Roseanne who? Oh, that liberal with the television show from the 90s that rode the Trump bandwagon to stir up controversy and promote her product?

{{{ I dont remember ever saying anything in favour of N Korea or its regime. Only that China is obviously playing Trump, its a widely held view in media outside the US from both left and right (and in-particular recommend looking out for interviews with Ambassadors, always interesting reads). China's moves here are not exactly hard to follow- they are trying to claim the south china sea as their own and militarising and creating new island archipelagoes there, they want more influence and say economically and politically at the global level a project they have publicly being acting on for some years now, but need N Korea solved in order to fully proceed with that, and they want to remove the US nuclear shield protecting S Korea and Japan from N Korea and a massive reduction in US troop and naval numbers in the region. None of which is a secret but all well accepted and established.

In the announcement made between N Korea and S Korea they agreed to strike a deal with the US and China siting in on it- so the US will have to meet terms that in reality are being set by China- these will not be favourable to the US but China can paint the US as an obstacle to denucleristaion and peace- forcing the US into having to reduce its influence in the area- after-all if N Korea has no nukes you dont need a nuclear shield, and if the war officially ends and there is peace between North and South there is no longer the need for the troop or naval presence, clearing the way for China to dominate the area and continue their expansion in the sea unhindered, whilst having got N Korea off the table clearing the way for greater global influence.

If you can point out what Trumps strategy actually is- what he hopes to obtain from all this, and how it strengthens the US I would love to hear it because I dont see a win path here for the US. Either t all collapses and things remain on a war footing and threats of nukes being thrown about, or it ends in peace and China getting everything they want in the region. Whats the good outcome you can foresee for the US? }}

It's widely accepted that the Kims have played every administration from the start. But there's definitely more glee in pointing out Trump is getting played because of his ego.