Game of Thrones [2]

bungobaggins wrote:

Mrs Figg wrote:

Lancebloke wrote:5 wasn't...

yes it was.

Save it for the Who thread.

Lancebloke wrote:The Boltons in the book are bit evil... only really Ramsay who seems a bit mental. Roose actually begins to turn Theon back to being The on in the way he treats him.

Mrs Figg wrote:I like what they have done with the Melisandre character in the show. Normally a woman like her would have been burnt at the stake, but in GOT its she who is doing the burning at the stake bit. She is the archetypal sexy witch, the type of woman men in the mid-20th century turned into femme fatales and decadent goddesses of sex and death. The type of woman most likely to have not survived very long in small villages, but here she is powerful and part of Stannis's court. I like they turned it on its head for a change and don't seem to be judging her. She just does her thing.

Mrs Figg wrote:What exactly are they complaining about here?

I want to know when there will be a time where I can think about Sansa’s storyline in Season 5 without feeling physically sick.

Because it’s not just the lack of logic to get her there, the rape for shock value, her abuse that only existed to service other characters, the way they sexed her up as she lay covered in bruises, the way they stripped away everything essential to her character, the fact that the only person she stood up to was her abuser’s girlfriend because her assertions of agency couldn’t actually provide tangible benefits or else Theon couldn’t be the one to save her.

No. It was that on multiple occasions D&D had Sansa assert herself, only to then pull the rug out from under her and knock her down a peg. IT was how her “I am Sansa Stark of Winterfell” was nothing more than a cruel jape, and done for shock-value to make her rape all the more horrifying. It’s that everything about her plotline was D&D’s conscious effort to manipulate and exploit the audience, and to do so with a misogynistic narrative.

Fuck that. It’s never going to be okay.

Hearing that women make a difference in game development is one thing, seeing what it means in practice is another. Recently, David Gaider—lead writer on the Dragon Age franchise—posted a blog about how having women on his writing team affected something in Dragon Age 3.

The team was having a peer review about the game, and it seemed as if everything about a certain plot point was fine. Then, someone spoke up. A woman. The plot point, she argued, could easily be seen as a form of rape. Everyone became stunned—not because she was off-base, but because she was right. She was right, even though the writer didn't intend the scene to come off way, even though the team considers itself to be progressive.

In this case, it was not a long trip for the person playing through the plot to see what was happening at a slightly different angle, and it was no longer good-creepy. It was bad-creepy. It was discomforting and not cool at all. And this female writer was not alone. All the other women at the table nodded their heads, and had noted the same thing in their critiques.

What's curious about the team of writers on Dragon Age 3 is that it is primarily composed of women. Which leads Gaider to ask: what would have happened if that wasn't the case? Had the team been mostly guys—which isn't uncommon—would the scene have gone in? Gaider thinks so.

And this thought occurred as well: if this had been a team with no female perspective present, it would have gone into the game that way. Had that female writer been the lone woman, would her view have been disregarded as an over-reaction? A lone outlier? How often does that happen on game development teams, ones made up of otherwise intelligent and liberal guys who are then shocked to find out that they inadvertently offended a group that is quickly approaching half of the gaming audience?

Still, crisis averted, as Gaider says. Still, this example seems important in light of recent controversy surrounding the devastating things women in game development have to suffer just to be a part of this hobby we all love so much. They have to go through these things, even though they can often make our games better.

It makes me wonder, too—how many creepy sex things in games have occurred because there wasn't a woman on the team that dared to speak up? Maybe you don't know what I'm talking about, but there are quite a few creepy sex scenes or things with awful sexual undertones that sneak their way into games. Things that I doubt were intended to be uncomfortable, or if they are purposefully that way, the intention is not worthwhile/good enough to warrant potentially triggering someone.

I think, for instance, of the Madison Paige's nightmare in Heavy Rain, where she is running away from an assailant in her own home. I think of how a different Bioware game, Mass Effect 2, has you "fixing" Jack—a character with PTSD—by having sex with her while she cries. I think of Quantic Dream's recent Kara video, where a female android begs a man to stop dissembling her.

Maybe these situations seem thrilling, seem beautiful, seem awe-inspiring. Or, they might seem disgusting. It depends, but it's not a stretch for either to be true. Would you realize it without someone telling you that was the case, without having, for one second, some empathy for the sensitivities of another human being?

Regardless of how absurd it might seem, sometimes it does take a woman to notice something is off. Hopefully development studios take this fact to heart.

Bluebottle wrote:I'm sorry, the idea that the depiction of sex in a show that has a boob quota, popularized the term sexposition and has HBO employees who makes sure the directors have the perv side of the audience in mind is somehow normal and everyday is rather farfetched to me.