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Re: Critics review 'Desolation of Smaug' | POSSIBLE SPOILERS
by RA Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:18 am
Radaghast wrote:It makes it look less bad which, compared to DoS, is good, I guess
They should put that quote on the back of the DVD
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by Pettytyrant101 Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:19 am
Yeah, their power is apparently being augmented by Sauron.- Radaghast
We know that happens with their sceam- when the hobbits first hear it in the Shire its unpleasant, but Frodo remains aware enough to discern and analysis it enough to say that it had words in it.
When the Nazgul call out above Minas Tirith mens minds (and Pippin's) are filled with despair and they even collapse to the ground from its effects believing everything lost and in vain.
In the films they just clasp their ears over their helmets as if its some sort of sonic attack- had he retained Beregrond instead of say, inventing Gothmog and having to have most of TT at the start because all his made up stuff in the actual TT film meant it ended halfway through the book, then he could have got this across much better along with a lot of other things.
We know that happens with their sceam- when the hobbits first hear it in the Shire its unpleasant, but Frodo remains aware enough to discern and analysis it enough to say that it had words in it.
When the Nazgul call out above Minas Tirith mens minds (and Pippin's) are filled with despair and they even collapse to the ground from its effects believing everything lost and in vain.
In the films they just clasp their ears over their helmets as if its some sort of sonic attack- had he retained Beregrond instead of say, inventing Gothmog and having to have most of TT at the start because all his made up stuff in the actual TT film meant it ended halfway through the book, then he could have got this across much better along with a lot of other things.
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Re: Critics review 'Desolation of Smaug' | POSSIBLE SPOILERS
by azriel Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:20 am
With new minty athelas flavor!...Raddy
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Re: Critics review 'Desolation of Smaug' | POSSIBLE SPOILERS
by Radaghast Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:24 am
Recoveryanonymous wrote:Radaghast wrote:It makes it look less bad which, compared to DoS, is good, I guess
They should put that quote on the back of the DVD
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by Radaghast Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:26 am
Subtly is not Peej's strong suit. Or maybe he just doesn't like itPettytyrant101 wrote:Yeah, their power is apparently being augmented by Sauron.- Radaghast
We know that happens with their sceam- when the hobbits first hear it in the Shire its unpleasant, but Frodo remains aware enough to discern and analysis it enough to say that it had words in it.
When the Nazgul call out above Minas Tirith mens minds (and Pippin's) are filled with despair and they even collapse to the ground from its effects believing everything lost and in vain.
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by Bluebottle Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:31 am
I have to believe that DoS somehow at least is a better throwawy action flick than AUJ. Because AUJ was one of the weakest attempts I think I've ever seen at that.
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by Tinuviel Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:53 am
There was an article in my local paper that said The Hobbit still was on top of the box office and how it made more money in three days than "The Wolf on Wall Street" did its opening weekend. Seeing as we were making a fire and there was great big picture of Bilbo and Thorin on the page, I filmed myself throwing the sheet of paper onto the flames and watched it as it was consumed 
Consequently, the room preceded to fill up with smoke and we had to open up all the windows when it was 10 degrees farenheit outside.... so I guess the spirit of the Peej is very much alive!
Consequently, the room preceded to fill up with smoke and we had to open up all the windows when it was 10 degrees farenheit outside.... so I guess the spirit of the Peej is very much alive!
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by RA Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:03 am
DOS wasn't good 
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by Bluebottle Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:10 am
You don't say.
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by azriel Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:14 am
He does say ! 
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by Pettytyrant101 Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:14 am
And rightly so!
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by azriel Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:16 am
Too true !
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by Pettytyrant101 Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:17 am
Indubitably so.
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by azriel Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:18 am
Expertly put my good man ! what what !
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by Bluebottle Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:22 am
What what what. (To quote Ned Seagoon.)
Yes, well, I agree. Of course. Undoubtedly, No question about it.
And I haven't even seen the movie.
Yes, well, I agree. Of course. Undoubtedly, No question about it.
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by azriel Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:26 am
By eck lad, you dont know what youre missing !
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by Bluebottle Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:28 am
A film you've just tripley called a dud? 
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by RA Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:29 am
Indeed 
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by Pettytyrant101 Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:29 am
It does kind of have to be seen to be believed. And then despaired at 
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by RA Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:30 am
That last part is crucial.
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by azriel Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:31 am
Im feeling sick again 
I cheered up & had a laugh tonight......
Then you mentioned ......... The Film !!
I cheered up & had a laugh tonight......
Then you mentioned ......... The Film !!
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by Radaghast Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:02 pm
Reading the book now and the Black Breath is first mentioned in the Bree scenes when two of the Riders are stooping over the prostrate form of Merry. Maybe this is part of why Merry is affected by it later.Pettytyrant101 wrote:this is when the Ring-wraiths are close to Mordor, since there was no similar effect on anyone from the Wraiths in the western part of Middle-earth- Rhaddy
Merry is the furthest west I can think of, and it just seems to knock him out as he he is on the ground when Nob finds him.
So I think its two factors- proximity to Mordor and that by the time they are using the Breath to cause serious harm such as on Faramir, Sauron seems to have reconstituted his spirit to be pretty close to being as mighty as he can be without the Ring back- which is still pretty damn formidable and their power has grown with his.
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by Radaghast Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:32 pm
This is perhaps the most negative review I've read so far:
http://www.vueweekly.com/film/the-hobbit-the-desolation-of-smaug/
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