Re: Sherlock - BBC [3]

by Pettytyrant101 Thu Jan 02, 2014 12:24 pm

Well if further proof the Daily Mail hates anything BBC (or Moffat for that matter) was needed they have the only negative review of Sherlock I have been able to find-

Spoiler:

by Norc Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:30 pm

http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/02/sherlock-series-3-episode-1-the-empty-hearse-was-it-everything-we-had-hoped-for-4247038/

by Norc Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:32 pm

by Mrs Figg Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:35 pm

Petty dont be ridiculous, its not proof of any such thing. I read the article, it was largely very positive and objective. The criticisms were justified in some places. It wasnt a perfect episode by any means although it was enjoyable. To say they hate the BBC and Moffat is just plainly not true.

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by Pettytyrant101 Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:44 pm

I doubt there's anyone who has read the Mail seriously doubts the Mail have an axe to grind with the BBC- they see it as a left wing spokes voice and they weekly write articles tying to blacken it or call for it to be turned into a commercial channel- and they regularly slate BBC programs that are well received everywhere else.

Saying the Mail dont have an agenda on the BBC is like saying they are welcoming to immigrants and hate all Royals.

Just google 'daily mail and the BBC' to see negative article after negative article about the BBC.

by Mrs Figg Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:53 pm

thats totally beside the point. The article in question seemed fair minded and objective, it gave positive and negative and didnt go overboard with the normal gushing Moffat worship. Maybe thats what you objected to?

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by Pettytyrant101 Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:02 pm

Moffat didnt write the episode. Gattiss did. Shakespeare could have written it the Mail would still find something down to say about it if the BBC made it.
I found their points typically ignorant of the source- if you have ever read the story in which Holmes returns- The Empty House- the actual plot is fluff and filler about a locked room.
Just like last nigths episode the story is all about the reunion (when Doyle killed off Holmes people wore black armbands and sales of the Strand took a massive dip- when he brought it back the public fervour was just as great as for last nights- and like the original it was all about the reunion and getting them back together, not about the mystery which was just window dressing to the main thing).
You cant criticise an adaptation for doing exactly what the original author did.

"it built up this almost drooling fanboy worship of Sherlock"- Mrs Figg

The original story is like this too- Doyle was writing for a live audience, and he was perfectly aware of the feelings of people-

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by Norc Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:17 pm

responding to figg and petty:

by Mrs Figg Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:17 pm

totally and yet again, besides the point.

If you cant take a bit of balanced critisism of Moffat. Dont read the Daily Mail. I will repeat, the article was largely positive with a few justified criticisms, it praised Freemans performance, but didnt gloss over the cracks. The episode teetered on condescending and the article wasnt particularly negative about that. The words cop out said twice, was enough for you to jump to the conclusion they hated the BBC and Moffat, which is plainly nonsense.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2532182/Holmes-saves-Watson-alive-stops-Parliament-blown-reveals-cheated-death-Sort-Another-dazzling-dizzying-episode-Sherlock-Jim-Shelley.html

by Norc Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:19 pm

there were lots of hints and nods to the original and to the fans and i loved it.

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by Pettytyrant101 Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:25 pm

Yeah there was a ton of little stuff- the actual plot they hung it on was different, but as I mentioned the mystery in the Empty House is deliberately the least interesting thing about the story.
But all the stuff around Holmes and Watson and peoples reaction to Sherlock as a public figure and celebrity (inside and oustide the fiction) are very much in the mood of Doyles story.
The internet is Moffat and Gattiss Strand magazine. Very Happy

by Pettytyrant101 Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:34 pm

If you cant take a bit of balanced criticism of Moffat.- Mrs Figg

I will say again, Moffat did not write this episode- if its criticisms of anything its of Gattiss- and as Ive pointed out their complaints are largely ones that can be levelled against Doyle. They show a remarkable ignorance of the source material.

And I dont read the Daily Mail (its right wing, racist and homophobic)- I read a round up of press reaction which happened to include it.

"was enough for you to jump to the conclusion they hated the BBC and Moffat, which is plainly nonsense."

No, years of them slating the BBC at every turn, accusing it off trying to socially engineering (as they did over RTD including characters like Captain Jack- the homophobic agenda again) leads to me see those particular comments as par for the course. They were probably briefed to find negatives as they always do with anything BBC. Its their agenda.

by Bluebottle Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:38 pm

Norc wrote:there were lots of hints and nods to the original and to the fans and i loved it.
Spoiler:

Does that mean someone is of the Sherlock wagon? Shocked

So I will be the last one to see this just as with the Hobbit. God. Rolling Eyes

by Norc Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:14 pm

Bluebottle wrote:
Norc wrote:there were lots of hints and nods to the original and to the fans and i loved it.
Spoiler:

Does that mean someone is of the Sherlock wagon?

Sherlock - BBC [3] - Page 13 Tumblr_myr24gBIix1qe8a0fo3_250

i don't want everyone to know i've seen it. the plan was (and still is) to invite our neighbours and have a sherlock tea-party, and they can't know me and Hanna already saw it.. i made a fucking card goddamnit!
Sherlock - BBC [3] - Page 13 Befunk11

by Bluebottle Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:23 pm

{{{Ah, I see. I'll keep stum then. Sherlock - BBC [3] - Page 13 Whistling2

Happy for you though, it has after all been two year. Nod

And the card is great. Very Happy

}}}

by Norc Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:26 pm

well, stay away from my signature Wink

by azriel Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:34 pm

I take it Norc, that youve now seen Sherlock ? so, I can now safely say.......
Woah, wot a bod !
(re:torture scene!)
Smile

by Mrs Figg Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:55 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:If you cant take a bit of balanced criticism of Moffat.- Mrs Figg

I will say again, Moffat did not write this episode- if its criticisms of anything its of Gattiss- and as Ive pointed out their complaints are largely ones that can be levelled against Doyle. They show a remarkable ignorance of the source material.

so why did you mention Moffat in the beginning then?

And I dont read the Daily Mail (its right wing, racist and homophobic)- I read a round up of press reaction which happened to include it.

I dont read it either, I am just going off this one article, which is what I am talking about. I dont give a toss about the rest of the paper. We are discussing ONE article

"was enough for you to jump to the conclusion they hated the BBC and Moffat, which is plainly nonsense."

and again I repeat ad nauseum, we are talking about this article, not the Daily Mail in general

No, years of them slating the BBC at every turn, accusing it off trying to socially engineering (as they did over RTD including characters like Captain Jack- the homophobic agenda again) leads to me see those particular comments as par for the course. They were probably briefed to find negatives as they always do with anything BBC. Its their agenda.

by bungobaggins Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:36 pm

Now I just have to get around to watching the new episode of Sherlock. Mad

Do they show how he survived the fall?

by Mrs Figg Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:40 pm

yes

by **Amarië** Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:12 pm

Are you sure? They do love to drive their fan up the walls in frustration. Hence my previous comment about the fan boy/tumblr.

by Pettytyrant101 Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:12 pm

so why did you mention Moffat in the beginning then?- Mrs Figg

Just a humorous dig at the Mails notorious dislike of NuWho in all its lefty forms. And because his name connects the two things.

"and again I repeat ad nauseum, we are talking about this article, not the Daily Mail in general"

I know, but you accused me of jumping to a conclusion- I was just pointing out I didn't jump to it, its based on previous unpleasant experience of Mail 'journalism'.

Loving that card Norc - good work Thumbs Up

by Bluebottle Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:38 pm

Oi, spoilers people?! Rolling Eyes

Just thought I'd keep the spirit alive. Laughing

(As I haven't seen it yet.)

Norc wrote: well, stay away from my signature

You can't say that to someone?!

I want to look now. Laughing

by **Amarië** Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:52 pm

Kaffistova was made so we Fjordians could have a spoiler free Sherlock time, but I see the thread has split so the note in the very first post is on the other thread. Wink