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Re: star trek thread
by Norc Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:39 am
jesus guys. 8 pages!!!
but.. but...... not even a tinsy bit entertaining? and Clusterfuck? he was good ??? right??
Eldorion wrote:We finally got to see Star Trek Into Darkness today. It was bad. Like really, really bad.There was too much stupid in the film for it to be worth breaking down much, but I will say that nu!Kirk is a thoroughly unsympathetic asshole.
I won't be seeing Star Trek 3 unless someone else is paying. I'm also even more worried about Star Wars Episode VII's prospects now then I was before.
but.. but...... not even a tinsy bit entertaining? and Clusterfuck? he was good ??? right??
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Re: star trek thread
by Norc Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:42 am
Eldorion wrote:Mrs Figg wrote:that bad huh? what exactly is up with it? or is it everything?
Character motivations were all over the place
Events felt disjointed and poorly thought out
Plot elements appeared out of nowhere and disappeared just as fast
Kirk is a piece of shit
The movie ignores its own rules that it made up
All of the villains' plans could have been foiled if the good guys had triple-digit IQs
The film should have ended about 10 minutes earlier than it did, but tacked on a completely meaningless final action sequence even though the characters had a far easier resolution staring them right in the face.
That said, the worst sin is that the movie was dull. The new characters weren't particularly interesting (aside from Cumbarbarian), and it felt like JJ Abrams was just going through the motions. The fact that this film comes four years after ST09 makes me wonder if he spent some of that time trying to get out of this. There was certainly very little passion on display.
can you give any examples?
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Re: star trek thread
by Norc Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:43 am
Eldorion wrote:I'm sorry to hear that Mrs Figg. There are actually a lot of films I'm looking forward to. Some of them are sequels or directorial follow-ups.
Man of Steel (Superman reboot, fingers crossed...)
Pacific Rim (giant robots vs monsters by the director of Pan's Labyrinth)
Elysium (second film from director of District 9)
Only God Forgives (same director and star as Drive)
The World's End (loose sequel to Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz)
Kick-Ass 2 (the first one was surprisingly good)
Gravity (from the director of the only great Harry Potter movie)
Thor 2 (probably only worth it if you liked The Avengers)
There are others as well, but none that I'm all that interested in (yet). Aside from The Hobbit, out of a sense of obligation.
One more thing: the trailer for Despicable Me 2 makes me want to watch the first one to see if it's any good.
you forgot the hunger games
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Re: star trek thread
by Norc Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:44 am
Pettytyrant101 wrote:My favourite bit
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yepp, that one is kinda stupid.
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Re: star trek thread
by Norc Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:48 am
Eldorion wrote:Remember when there was a word filter set up so that "coven" became "friendly people".
That was fun. We should do something like it again sometime.
omg.. you have the power to do that!! why don't u use it omg!!
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Re: star trek thread
by Eldorion Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:52 am
Norc wrote:jesus guys. 8 pages!!!
I'd say you should be glad so many people are talking about Star Trek, but I think most of it is Petty and Figgy's therapy session.
Also, five posts, geez Norc!
but.. but...... not even a tinsy bit entertaining? and Clusterfuck? he was good ??? right??
It wasn't completely terrible, if that's what you're asking. I was ready for the movie to be over by the halfway point, though. Chucklefuck did the best that he could with the material he was given, but he deserves better than this.
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Re: star trek thread
by Eldorion Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:11 am
Norc wrote:can you give any examples?
Sure, to the best of my memory (disclaimer: it's 3 am and I'm tired).
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- Character motivations were all over the place Kirk seemed like less of a character and more of a mouthpiece (more on him below). Half of the characters were motivated by trying to prevent Starfleet from becoming a military organization, which is absurd to me since its clearly already serving a military purpose (to be fair, this problem is probably present in the source material). Another thing that jumped out at me was the bomber who Khan blackmailed(?). Apparently he was afraid enough of Khan to kill 40+ people, but he was still willing to tell Starfleet about Khan, despite the fact that Khan could still harm his family later.
Events felt disjointed and poorly thought out Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that events were poorly explained, though given that the film was co-written by Damon Lindelof of Lost and Prometheus fame, I'm not inclined to give him the benefit of a doubt. The Bond-esque intro aside, I didn't think the film transitioned smoothly between London, San Francisco, Kronos, and space. Neither Dr Marcus nor her motivation made much sense, and whenever Scottie went offscreen he seemed to gain plot-resolving superpowers.
Plot elements appeared out of nowhere and disappeared just as fast The Klingon threat is a major part of the Admiral's plan, but the Empire doesn't seem to care that a patrol of there's was wiped out by a bunch of humans. The Enterprise is stranded near Kronos for much of the film but no Klingon ships ever come to investigate, even though we were asked to take them seriously as a threat.
Kirk is a piece of shit I understand that the character is supposed to be a certain way, but in this film Kirk alternates between hating and accepting rules whenever it serves his purpose. He becomes suddenly moralistic and preachy when confronted with Khan, despite his own cavalier attitude with the lives of everyone else. Pike at one point states that Kirk isn't ready for captaincy, which is true, but it just highlights the absurdity of Kirk (and everyone else's) rapid promotions in the first film, much less the idea that they kept these positions once order was restored.
The movie ignores its own rules that it made up The example that stood out most to me was in the finale, when Spock (I think) said they couldn't beam Khan out of the bigass ship because the Enterprise's shields were up, even though the Admiral had just beamed his daughter out of the Enterprise five minutes earlier.
All of the villains' plans could have been foiled if the good guys had triple-digit IQs Contacting Earth would have solved a lot of problems since the Admiral was a traitor. More fundamentally, Pike could have not gone to bat for his clearly incompetent protege. Other bizarre situations imply that the characters are mentally incompetent, including them landing the Enterprise on a planet (in the ocean!) where they have to remain in hiding when they could have launched a shuttle from orbit/the upper atmosphere.
The film should have ended about 10 minutes earlier than it did, but tacked on a completely meaningless final action sequence even though the characters had a far easier resolution staring them right in the face. Bones didn't need Khan's blood. Like, not even a little bit. He had 71 other superhumans sitting in cryotubes and one that he had already taken out and had sitting on a table in front of him.
Like I said earlier though, the biggest problem I had with the film was that I didn't find it interesting or engaging.
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Re: star trek thread
by Eldorion Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:11 am
Norc wrote:you forgot the hunger games
I thought about adding it, but I wasn't all that impressed by the first one, so I didn't bother.
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Re: star trek thread
by Eldorion Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:12 am
Norc wrote:omg.. you have the power to do that!! why don't u use it omg!!
Petty made a big stink about it before, and I'm regularly accused of abusing my power (including by you, at times
) so I generally try to tread lightly. 
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Re: star trek thread
by Norc Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:18 am
Eldo wrote:I'd say you should be glad so many people are talking about Star Trek, but I think most of it is Petty and Figgy's therapy session.
Also, five posts, geez Norc!
yeah.. i know
just went through about five-six pages of Mrs Figg vs Petty and yeah.. they're equally stubborn, dunno why they bother. (yeah, five posts, gotta bring this shit back to topic 
and i missed so much fun )also, if you abuse your power the right way
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Re: star trek thread
by Norc Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:32 am
Eldorion wrote:Norc wrote:can you give any examples?
Sure, to the best of my memory (disclaimer: it's 3 am and I'm tired).
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i thought he did it to save his daughter, not because Khan might kill his family.. i dunno (btw, wasn't this the guy who played mickey in Doctor Who? or am i mixing my actors up ?)
Events felt disjointed and poorly thought out Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that events were poorly explained, though given that the film was co-written by Damon Lindelof of Lost and Prometheus fame, I'm not inclined to give him the benefit of a doubt. The Bond-esque intro aside, I didn't think the film transitioned smoothly between London, San Francisco, Kronos, and space. Neither Dr Marcus nor her motivation made much sense, and whenever Scottie went offscreen he seemed to gain plot-resolving superpowers.
Not completely sure i know what you mean by this. I didn't think it was that dificult to grasp the concept of the plot and events. I don't think they were that out of place.
I also thought Doctor Marcus was evil initially.. and yes, her motivation (especially for getting undressed) was poorly explained.
Plot elements appeared out of nowhere and disappeared just as fast The Klingon threat is a major part of the Admiral's plan, but the Empire doesn't seem to care that a patrol of there's was wiped out by a bunch of humans. The Enterprise is stranded near Kronos for much of the film but no Klingon ships ever come to investigate, even though we were asked to take them seriously as a threat.
I have to agree here. We saw the Klingons once. they didn't seem like a big threat and idk, they could've just picked another planet, it didn't do it much justice, except for petting trekkies.. by we, you probably mean the audience, and i never felt much threatened by the Klingons.. maybe i would if i knew who they fukcing were.
Kirk is a piece of shit I understand that the character is supposed to be a certain way, but in this film Kirk alternates between hating and accepting rules whenever it serves his purpose. He becomes suddenly moralistic and preachy when confronted with Khan, despite his own cavalier attitude with the lives of everyone else. Pike at one point states that Kirk isn't ready for captaincy, which is true, but it just highlights the absurdity of Kirk (and everyone else's) rapid promotions in the first film, much less the idea that they kept these positions once order was restored.
no shit sherlock. yeah, i also twitched an eyebrow how they all get promoted and shifted, sacked and so fourth (the last one i got afterall because that bastard wanted Kirk to take the ship and go get Khan and he knew none else would take the risk) but c'mon, there must be someone more qualified than Kirk.. I feel a bit angry, cus he's only in the starfleet because of his dead father.
The movie ignores its own rules that it made up The example that stood out most to me was in the finale, when Spock (I think) said they couldn't beam Khan out of the bigass ship because the Enterprise's shields were up, even though the Admiral had just beamed his daughter out of the Enterprise five minutes earlier.
i didn't notice that, but you may be right..
All of the villains' plans could have been foiled if the good guys had triple-digit IQs Contacting Earth would have solved a lot of problems since the Admiral was a traitor. More fundamentally, Pike could have not gone to bat for his clearly incompetent protege. Other bizarre situations imply that the characters are mentally incompetent, including them landing the Enterprise on a planet (in the ocean!) where they have to remain in hiding when they could have launched a shuttle from orbit/the upper atmosphere.
well, the ocean thingy looked cool, but it serves no purpose, i mean, the indigenous people must've seen it landso if they managed to land it smoothly, why not be able to disappear smoothly? i just think this has a not-thought-through-american(or anyone really)movie-maker-scriptwriter-fell to it.. not much reality. if a bunch of scientists and a someone with a degree or something in problem-solving and/or philosophy or jus general society knowledge had done it, i think it would've been different.
The film should have ended about 10 minutes earlier than it did, but tacked on a completely meaningless final action sequence even though the characters had a far easier resolution staring them right in the face. Bones didn't need Khan's blood. Like, not even a little bit. He had 71 other superhumans sitting in cryotubes and one that he had already taken out and had sitting on a table in front of him.
yes, this is dumb.. maybe they thought they only needed Khan
Like I said earlier though, the biggest problem I had with the film was that I didn't find it interesting or engaging.
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Re: star trek thread
by Pettytyrant101 Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:45 am
Norc in the original, Starfleet is the military of Earth- but like countries do today Starfleet also provides ships and personel to the Federation which is an alliance of races.
Humans, being bastards, have the largest military however and are founding members of the Federation.
But yeah its always been a little confused in that for budget reasons in the original whenever you see a Federation ship its always an earth ship like Enterprise- when in fact a fleet of Federation ships should be made up of ships from different races, not just earth ships as is usually shown.
Humans, being bastards, have the largest military however and are founding members of the Federation.
But yeah its always been a little confused in that for budget reasons in the original whenever you see a Federation ship its always an earth ship like Enterprise- when in fact a fleet of Federation ships should be made up of ships from different races, not just earth ships as is usually shown.
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Re: star trek thread
by Norc Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:54 am
they wanted style.. not a lot of different ships, i thnk.
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Re: star trek thread
by Pettytyrant101 Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:16 pm
I think originally it was just budget- i the Original series all the ships you see are the same as the Enterprise because they only had 1 model.
Transporters were invented to save money on having to show shuttlecrafts (shuttles dont in fact appear until series 2) and of course stolen from transmatting in Doctor Who
Transporters were invented to save money on having to show shuttlecrafts (shuttles dont in fact appear until series 2) and of course stolen from transmatting in Doctor Who
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Re: star trek thread
by Mrs Figg Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:47 pm
sorry for Norcing the thread, sorry Petty I got rather catty. Its a bit like being an old married couple, the wife sees her husband mooning over some younger version and she gets the hump, its pretty normal (( I think)).
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by Pettytyrant101 Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:50 pm
No worries Figgs- I was less than good mannered myself- Im not good in summer heat! Makes me even more crabit than usual 
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Re: star trek thread
by Lancebloke Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:51 pm
I thought it was ok.... but then I always treat star trek as a film I leave my brain behind and just stare at the pretty lights. Sure you will enjoy it figgy!!
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Re: star trek thread
by Mrs Figg Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:10 pm
yeah but its ages since I saw a really damn fine filum
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Re: star trek thread
by halfwise Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:12 pm
"BUPERDILL CRAMBERDAP "
"Bumberdick Cum-again"
"Clusterfuck?"
"Cumbarbarian"
"Chucklefuck"
If there's any way we could get in touch with BC I think he'd actually love the forum.
At least give him a compendium of names.
"Bumberdick Cum-again"
"Clusterfuck?"
"Cumbarbarian"
"Chucklefuck"
If there's any way we could get in touch with BC I think he'd actually love the forum.
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Re: star trek thread
by Eldorion Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:14 pm
Mrs Figg wrote:sorry for Norcing the thread, sorry Petty I got rather catty. Its a bit like being an old married couple, the wife sees her husband mooning over some younger version and she gets the hump, its pretty normal (( I think)).
Aaaw, you two are so cute.
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Re: star trek thread
by Lancebloke Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:21 pm
Defo best couple..... especially since there aren't any others..........
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Re: star trek thread
by Eldorion Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:24 pm
None others that have admitted it yet, anyway. 
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Re: star trek thread
by Lancebloke Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:25 pm
.... not sure what you are getting at there Eldo... but I do know I don't like it.
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