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Post by Eldorion Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:27 am

Unfortunately the whole "survivalist" anti-government mentality that is connected to the far right has been monetized by the gun industry, who put a lot of effort into sustaining and perpetuating beliefs like that.  The NRA, as the main lobbying organization for the gun industry, has been increasingly involved with this (even though they were pro-gun control as recently as the early 1970s).
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Post by halfwise Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:02 am

Pettytyrant101 wrote:I watched some of the speeches at the NRA rally- um...  Shocked 

....

But the most out their crazy I've heard so far was from LaPierre who said -

“There are terrorists and home invaders and drug cartels and carjackers and knockout gamers and rapers, haters, campus killers, airport killers, shopping mall killers, road-rage killers, and killers who scheme to destroy our country with massive storms of violence against our power grids, or vicious waves of chemicals or disease that could collapse the society that sustains us all.”



Exactly which part of this carefully researched and ethically grounded statement do you take issue with?  Suspect

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Post by halfwise Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:18 am

Fortunately Sarah Palin's still around to bring a measure of sanity to the debate.

http://news.yahoo.com/palin-waterboarding-nra-speech-205827272.html

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:29 am

Exactly which part of this carefully researched and ethically grounded statement do you take issue with?- Halfy

All of it  Shrugging 

America certainly dodged a bullet as it were not electing Palin- she is off her rocker.

"She called gun-free school zones "stupid on steroids."

Yeah because lethal weaponry and children are such a great mix!

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Post by Mrs Figg Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:42 pm

I always thought the movie Tremors part of the NRA propaganda?  Laughing  brilliant film  Very Happy 

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:46 pm

Love tremors, how do a modern B-movie- class.  Nod 

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Post by David H Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:23 pm

Now THIS is good science!  :carrot: 

[Douglas Kenrick]...did an experiment.

His method had the elegance of all great science: He recruited a volunteer to stop her car at a green light and he counted the seconds until the driver behind honked the horn. He did this once a week from April to August on days when the high temperature ranged from 84 degrees to 108, [29 to 42 C] and he found that the thermometer accurately predicted how soon, and how many times, thwarted drivers would protest before the light changed.

"When the weather was comfortably cool, the typical driver just politely tapped on the horn for a second," Kenrick wrote, "When it got near 100, though, they started blaring their horns, yelling out the window, and making hand signals they probably did not learn in driver's education."

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Post by Mrs Figg Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:57 pm

David H wrote:Now THIS is good science!  :carrot: 

[Douglas Kenrick]...did an experiment.

His method had the elegance of all great science: He recruited a volunteer to stop her car at a green light and he counted the seconds until the driver behind honked the horn. He did this once a week from April to August on days when the high temperature ranged from 84 degrees to 108, [29 to 42 C] and he found that the thermometer accurately predicted how soon, and how many times, thwarted drivers would protest before the light changed.

"When the weather was comfortably cool, the typical driver just politely tapped on the horn for a second," Kenrick wrote, "When it got near 100, though, they started blaring their horns, yelling out the window, and making hand signals they probably did not learn in driver's education."

That wouldnt work in Italy No  horn blaring and hand signals goes on no matter rain or shine.
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Post by halfwise Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:48 pm

bungobaggins wrote:


those kids were AWESOME!  I love you 

And Jamie Oliver's not the first one to be flummoxed by a bunch of cute kids.... Razz 

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Post by halfwise Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:53 pm

Mrs Figg wrote:I always thought the movie Tremors part of the NRA propaganda?  Laughing  brilliant film  Very Happy 



 USA  Them big creepy-crawlers would've eaten Europe alive and burped up Lichtenstein.   Moon  USA

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Post by halfwise Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:09 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:Exactly which part of this carefully researched and ethically grounded statement do you take issue with?- Halfy

All of it  Shrugging 

America certainly dodged a bullet as it were not electing Palin- she is off her rocker.

"She called gun-free school zones "stupid on steroids."

Yeah because lethal weaponry and children are such a great mix!

The bigger problem is getting guns in the hands of teachers: believe me they are under much higher mental stress than the kids. Back when columbine happened my sweet but right wing room mate said if the teachers were armed it never would have happened. I told her she had no idea what she was talking about. I brought her comment to school and even the pro-NRA teachers said "don't get a gun anywhere near me, I'd be too tempted to use it."

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Post by David H Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:15 pm

Oh, that's a good way to look at it!

Take corporal punishment out of the school, then hand the frustrated teachers handguns. What could possibly go wrong?  Rolling Eyes 

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Post by halfwise Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:18 pm

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Post by Mrs Figg Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:03 pm

I say bring back the ruler. One good thwack with that and societies problems would halve. specially with those pesky red haired kids.  Laughing 
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:07 am

Them big creepy-crawlers would've eaten Europe alive and burped up Lichtenstein.- Halfy

Not at all- barrel of buckie right down the throat, as a US resident it wont stand a hope in hell of handling it, probably use to Budweiser which has less alcohol in it than my pee!  Twisted Evil 

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Post by bungobaggins Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:13 am

Speaking of Palin.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/27/sarah-palin-tells-nra-attendees-waterboarding-is-how-we-baptize-terrorists/

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:28 am

Palins America- welcome to the Land of the Free, unless you dont believe in my God, follow my religion or partake in my holidays, in which case we will torture you, but in the name of Freedom.  Rolling Eyes 

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Post by bungobaggins Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:35 am

I like to think that she would have disgusted F.U. Very Happy

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:49 am

I think he would think she had plenty of bottom Nod But no style, subtly or cleverness. A crass loud brash new money sort, not the proper sort at all.

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Post by Mrs Figg Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:36 pm

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Fri May 02, 2014 10:19 am

This boggles my mind- America sort yourself out!!-

'The father of a 17 year old German exchange student shot dead in Montana after he trespassed in a man's garage has said the US cannot continue to "play cowboy" with firearms.
Mr Kaarma, a 29-year-old firefighter, has told investigators his home had twice been hit by burglars, and he told a hair stylist he had waited up at night to shoot intruders, prosecutors said.
On the night of the shooting, Mr Kaarma and his partner Janelle Pflager left their garage door open, and Ms Pflager left her purse in the garage in order to bait intruders, she told police.
They set up motion sensors and a video monitor, prosecutors said.
When the sensors went off just after midnight and they saw a man on the monitor screen, Mr Kaarma went outside and fired a shotgun into the garage without warning several times.'

Ok now its one thing, debatable as it is, that there is a right to shoot anyone on your property without come back, but you are allowed to set up a lure, with 'bait' with the intention of just shooting anyone who falls into it? Come on. They set up a trap and waited to shoot whoever came along. That's unbelievable.
And it seems odds on there will be no come back on taking this lads life because the state it happened in has those stupid shoot whoever you like ask questions never policies.  Mad 

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Post by bungobaggins Fri May 02, 2014 12:59 pm

Something similar happened in Minnesota in 2012. The trial ended just recently.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/prosecutor-man-shot-teens-intended-kill-23517042



A Minnesota homeowner who shot and killed two unarmed teenagers during a break-in was quickly convicted of premeditated murder Tuesday, with a jury taking about three hours to reject his claim of self-defense.

Byron Smith, a 65-year-old retiree who once set up security in American embassies for the U.S. State Department, shot Nick Brady, 17, and Haile Kifer, 18, multiple times after they broke into his home on Thanksgiving Day 2012.

Smith's attorney said he was fearful after previous burglaries. But prosecutors argued Smith waited in his basement and intended to kill the teens, with a setup so elaborate that lead prosecutor Pete Orput compared it to a deer stand. Their key evidence was an audio recording that captured the killings in chilling detail, including Smith's taunts as the teens died.

The mothers of the teens, who were cousins, cried as the verdicts were read: guilty on two counts each of first-degree and second-degree murder. Smith, who showed no emotion as he heard the verdicts, was immediately sentenced to life without parole. Defense attorney Steve Meshbesher said he would appeal.

Brady's grandmother, Bonnie Schaeffel, was among family members who addressed the court after the verdicts.

She said Smith seemed like a "sour, angry old recluse who felt he was above the law." She added she was sorry his house was burglarized, but said Kifer and Brady should have had the chance to grow up and learn from their mistake.

Kifer's aunt, Laurie Skipper, read a statement from her niece's parents: "Byron Smith made a conscious choice to shoot and kill our beautiful daughter Haile. ... The feelings of helplessness are overwhelming."

Smith's brother, Bruce, walked past reporters afterward without comment.

The teens' killings stirred debate around the state and in Little Falls — a Mississippi River city of 8,000 about 100 miles northwest of Minneapolis — about how far a homeowner can go in responding to a threat. Minnesota law allows deadly force to prevent a felony from taking place in one's home or dwelling, but one's actions must be considered reasonable under the circumstances.

Prosecutors said Smith's plan was set in motion on the morning of the killings, after Smith saw a neighbor whom he believed responsible for prior burglaries. Prosecutors say Smith moved his truck to make it look like no one was home, and then settled into a basement chair with a book, energy bars, a bottle of water and two guns.

Smith also set up a hand-held recorder on a bookshelf, which captured audio of the shootings, and had installed a surveillance system that recorded images of Brady trying to enter the house.

The audio, which was played several times in court, captured the sound of glass shattering, Brady descending the basement stairs and Smith shooting Brady three times. Smith can be heard saying, "You're dead." Prosecutors said Smith put Brady's body on a tarp and dragged him into another room, then sat down, reloaded his weapon and waited.

About 10 minutes later, Kifer came downstairs. More shots are heard on the recording as Kifer screams. Smith says, "You're dying," followed soon by the sound of another gunshot, which investigators said Smith described as "a good, clean finishing shot."

Later on the recording, Smith refers to the teens as "vermin." Smith waited a full day before asking a neighbor to call police.

I'd say everyone was guilty here. Shrugging

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Post by David H Fri May 02, 2014 3:21 pm

There's problems all around. I don't have any sympathy for the people who are setting traps for burglars. That's coldblooded murder.  

But I've got to say I've got very little sympathy for the burglars either.  Everybody knows if you break into a house, the odds are you're gonna get shot at.  It's always been like that.

I don't have any way of knowing what the kids were thinking, but if they were looking for a thrills by putting their lives and the lives of others at risk, as is often the case with teenage burglaries, then it goes in the same category for me as racing cars drunk.  A shame, but they got what they were asking for.  

BTW Petty, your other post on Freedom was kind of similar:

'A BUCKFAST-themed funeral was held yesterday for a 17-year-old murder victim.....A “Buckfast shrine” outside the family’s home in Simon Crescent has steadily grown since Connor died last month from a single stab wound to the heart.'

What do you think this young man had been up to that got him murdered?

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Fri May 02, 2014 3:27 pm

In the case of the garage the lad was German, they can be very efficient folk, very civic minded- its quite possible he saw an open garage saw valuables there and was seeing if anyone was about prior to alerting the householders that their garage had been left open to thieves- Ive done similar in the past.
Now I dont know why he went into the garage but the fact the guy just opened fire without any warning or anything means we will never know most likely what motivated him- but it could as easily have been harmless or trying to do the right thing as it could be he was thieving.

In the case of the Scots lad a 22 year old has been arrested for his murder but its not come to trial yet- so the details are not available.

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