Re: More Hobbit pictures [2] SPOILER THREAD

by Norc Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:38 pm

............. I'll write it with a c then. as in orc. make sure to include that in the dictionary statement for norked, not to be mistaken for norks meaning breasts.

by Eldorion Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:59 pm

The Hobbit Facebook page had an interesting compilation of various versions of Gollum throughout the years. Pick your favorite. Razz

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by Pettytyrant101 Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:12 pm

Good to see they are not offering biased by say, filling 3/4 of the page with PJ's version!

by chris63 Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:13 am

At least its an improvement on the 1966 version. Thats a shocker.

by David H Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:39 am

Yeah, but have you seen the plot to that 1966 "adaptation" of The Hobbit? Suspect

Slag the dragon ransacked the city of Dale. Only General Thorin Oakenshield, Princess Mika and a lone guard survived, and turned to the wizard Gandalf in his tower. He pointed them to a prophecy of the dragon's death, for which they needed a Hobbit. Bilbo Baggins initially refused, but after some persuasion from Gandalf and the princess, joined the three on their quest.

Soon, they encountered two "groans", monstrous creatures that turned to trees when exposed to sunlight. Bilbo's companions were captured, but Bilbo tricked the two into a fight until the sun rose. They continued their journey, and General Oakenshield and the Princess started to appreciate their burglar. But suddenly, Bilbo disappeared. He had fallen though a crack in the mountain, and fell past the greblins into the lake of Goloom. He found Goloom's magic ring, and dashed away through the tunnels. He hid behind a rock, and allowed Goloom to overtake him so he could find his way out.

After traveling through Mirkwood Forest, Bilbo came to the Lonely Mountain. He stole the Arkenstone, crafted a bow from mining tools, and shot the Arkenstone through Slag's heart. Slag was killed, and Dale restored. Bilbo returned to Hobbiton with Princess Mika as his wife.

Can you blame Tolkien for being suspicious of film adaptations of his work? Rolling Eyes

by Pettytyrant101 Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:10 am

by Norc Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:14 pm

haha, yeah, that's an "adaption"

by Tinuviel Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:47 pm

whoah.

by Pettytyrant101 Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:29 pm

by RA Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:43 pm

I think Sting might be too prominent in that shot, but other than that I think it's a good poster.

by Norc Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:16 am

ooooh... i like...

by Tinuviel Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:04 pm

I want!!!!!

by feanor 1999 Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:53 am

Ayup All...

Don't like it. Full stop. End of. Bilbo in the Book (Yeah, OK, its the film) would NEVER have been as 'satisfied' as the Actor looks in that picture brandishing Sting...

The only time the 'Real' Bilbo felt being Agressive and Violent was OK, was when he was killing spiders, and he felt that THEY merited being treated so, they were so Horrible. In the rest of the book, it is a very Peaceable Bilbo, Like the rest of his race, who knows 'He is only a Little Fellow' in the scheme of things, and who avoid violence at every turn, prefering, if you will, stealth. Tolkien even gets him out of having to fight and Kill at the BO5A, by having a rock hit him on the head, and him only being woken when it's all over...

This Image just isn't right for Bilbos character. Another thing PJ gets Bloody wrong ! He's no Bruce Willis ! Oh, and before you Mention it. The ONLY Hobbit that EVER Got Violent, Gollum, was twisted from his races 'Nature' by the most evil object in the world. The Ring. That's how much influence it took to twist a Hobbit.

by Norc Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:04 am

oh, shut ut, Freeman looks hot in the picture.

by feanor 1999 Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:13 am

Nice Intelligent response Dorc.

Why don't you Shut the fuck up yourself and go back to school like the Little child you are.

Pretentious Twat.

by Pettytyrant101 Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:22 am

Deep breaths there Feanor- we dont do the name calling thing here (unless its against Odo) Norc is blunt but in her own humouress Fjordian way, its only if you take her comments completely at face value and without the humour behind them that you will get annoyed at them.

On the Bilbo thing I agree feanor, he is no warrior and warrior is the first thing this image put in my head. Its just not Bilbo.
The prominence of Sting in this poster combined with seeing Bilbo using it to defend against a goblin in the trailer has me very worried.
Bilbo's development from reluctant host to spider slayer and naming his sword Sting is a carefully constructed one by Tolkien which I fear PJ has thrown out the window in his quest fo ever more spectacle and action.

by Norc Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:54 pm

and. then. for the war-hero bilbo thing. calm down, if you call what you saw in the trailer fighting a goblin then I wouldn't hold up too much hope for the rest of the fight secuenses. Bilbo is merely holding sting up protecting his ~~(goregous)~~ face rather than actually fighting back.

by Norc Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:56 pm

and, Eldo! can I have Pretentious Twat as a title? please Smile

kind of marks a point in history Very Happy

by Pettytyrant101 Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:15 pm

On the Bilbo thing I did say "to defend against" the goblin, not to fight it. But even using it to defend himself is a step further than the book takes his development at this stage. He mainly uses it as a light in the goblin tunnels and as a way to know if any goblins are closeby.

Tolkien is quiet delibrate in his development of Bilbo coming out of his shell, there are very precise beats to his story and one of them is not a one on one attack by a goblin as presented in the trailer.
Given how crucial these beats are to the development of Bilbo's character I am uneasy PJ is messing with them.

by Norc Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:57 pm

yeah, but as I said, I wouldn't worry too much about it. He's just shielding himself with it, I'm guessing some dwarf will come and save him. Probably Balin, he's been very "daddy"-like.

by Pettytyrant101 Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:34 pm

Of course I worry!
Its PJ and the Coven you are asking me trust in remember! Mad

by Norc Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:07 pm

yeaaaah... but .. okay, I won't argue, you have your reasons, I have mine.

by Pettytyrant101 Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:09 pm

Yes but mine are better! Mad

(shouldnt that be obvious? More Hobbit pictures [2] SPOILER THREAD - Page 10 398825057

- the life of a purist is never easy! Mad

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by David H Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:24 pm

feanor 1999 wrote:Oh, and before you Mention it. The ONLY Hobbit that EVER Got Violent, Gollum, was twisted from his races 'Nature' by the most evil object in the world. The Ring. That's how much influence it took to twist a Hobbit.

Bullroarer Took, who led the battle against the orcs and beheaded Golfinbul comes to mind. It also seems to me that Pippin and Merry went into combat willingly more than once. A person could also quibble about whether Gollum was technically a hobbit. I'm just saying there's room for discussion here.

by feanor 1999 Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:49 pm

Ayup David...

Nice to meet you too. I take it its illegal to upset Dorc then ? Oh dear...

I take your point about Bullroarer, But it was a One-time Invasion and you do what you gotta, yes ? Along with the Deputies fighting for and against the 'Shirrifs men', and Merry and Pippin, but they never had their essential Hobbit natures changed. which is what I was on about concerning Gollum. His past as a stoor, and almost an Outcast to start with at that. He was despised by his 'Family' and seemed to have been chosen for 'Special' treatment by his 'Loving' Grandma, if you read the Appendices, on the edges of the Gladden fields were only dim dim Memory, pricked into being by the riddle Game. (Sun on the diasies, teaching his Gramdma to suck eggs), but the poor Guy had already been Irreparably damaged.