Doctor Who [11]

Pettytyrant101 wrote:'watched it ok but it looked like Yates had got his mits on it and turned the lights off.'- Figg

coming from you thats a good review of a Moffat episode, so how do you go from that to-

'well its the end of the road for me and Doctor Who. Cant bear to watch it any more.'

Also I am curious about what it was about this episode made up your mind? Its a strong character piece which is something you have been critical of it not being in the past. It seems an odd one to choose to quit on.

Pettytyrant101 wrote:'Mrs Figg and Pettytyrant fighting all time also good. Means they love each other. Kissing. Marriage. Babies. Etc. Etc.'- Nagual

You know, when you only post when I am on a rare bit of absence of more than several hours, people just think you are a sock-puppet of mine.
And you've seen my socks, when I'm using the stick to stop them climbing the barrel walls, they would make for a monstrous puppet!    

As to the list, you know fine well I have no truck with the last two as you cant do them with a bottle of buckie!  

Pettytyrant101 wrote: heck I don't even like them- Figg

But the Doctors character is the same as it always was!

don't be silly.

'the dark and relentlessly dreary atmosphere'

Best not go back and watch too much classic then- especially the Hithcliffe era where each episode its basically  different scifi versions of Hammer House of Horror set!

I don't intend to.

'I don't like the constant rehashing of classic Who,'

I dont think there has been, references yes, ones you don't need to get to understand the story- but they are just references, there has been no remaking, rebooting or rehashing of anything from Classic.
The first 2 story of this series is a sequel of sorts to a classic episode, but its fully explained within itself too.
Besides under RTD it was full of references to classic-when he brought back the Daleks, Cybermen, the Master- they were all references to classic Who not inventions of Nu- after 10 years of course the big references like those are long used up.

Moffat uses classic Who as fanservice, he shoves everything in ad nauseum. it makes the Daleks boring, he did the same thing to his own creations. He over used the Weeping Angels, they stopped being scary or interesting.

'the cold and brittle humour'

Dunno about cold or brittle, funny yes.

I didn't laugh.

'I don't like ONE damn thing'

In relation to the humour comment I don't see how any Who fan could not have enjoyed the Doctor joyriding Davros' Dalek proof chair- especially his response after they try to exterminate him and fail-

cheap laugh

'Proposition. Davros is an insane, paranoid genius who has survived among several billion trigger-happy mini-tanks for centuries. Conclusion? I'm definitely having his chair.'

or Missy's -'I love killing clever clogs, they make the best faces.'

meh

or even Davros- who cracks 2 jokes in this one! My favourite probably being when the recaptured Doctor wakes back up in Davros' room sitting down and Davros opens with-

'I hope you are grateful. It wasn't easy to procure. And very nearly unique, of course. You should feel privileged. The only other chair on Skaro.'

'if the guy who wrote Flatline ever does another episode or if Rigsy is the next companion, then I will watch it.'

Well he is writing 1 episode this series 'The Girl Who Died',

cool!

and Rigsby is in this series somewhere as he was in the trailer.
So guess we will see you sooner rather than later after all!

I didn't know that! I love Rigsy he's awesome! yay.

Amarië wrote:I was thinking just the other day that maybe it might be fun to watch Who eventually. Then I thought about the oh so supposedly dark Doctor and the words "high functioning sosiopat" came to me...

When is Moffat leaving this show you say?

Pettytyrant101 wrote:Then I thought about the oh so supposedly dark Doctor and the words "high functioning sosiopat" came to me... - Amarie

I don't think 12 is dark, not as dark as 1 was for the first series or 7 in is second series, or 6 throughout his time on TV.

wot? *splutter* he's as friggin dark as Draculas underpants! they market his darkness, they have his dark eyebrows as a signpost to his darkness, the show is literally dark, most of it is shot in shadows so dark even Yates would think they were overdoing the darkness. its a fucking Gloomathon, a crepuscular dourfest of epic proportions, bats bump into walls its so dark, sheesh! 'less dark'

And 12 is less dark after the events of the xmas episode now than he was last series (not that I thought he was dark then either mind you, I dont really get what people mean by it, he was just more honest about how he goes about what he does)- nor is he preoccupied any more with any self doubt or questioning- he is very much, especially in the second part of the opener, just being the Doctor at his core, doing what the Doctor does- fighting the monsters, acting the fool whilst being cleverer than everyone else in the room and wining the day for all the right reasons.

Pettytyrant101 wrote:

he shoves everything in ad nauseum. it makes the Daleks boring- Figg

They have to use the Daleks once every series at least- its in the contract with the Terry Nation estate who on the rights to them. Moffat has in fact been a ot more inventive with him in his run than RTD was- under RTD they were always the same-

like Moffats Daleks, only RTDs Daleks were scary and interesting, and the very best Dalek scene in NuWho was between Eccleston/Rose and a Dalek


take over the universe or destroy it. Moffat has tried different thins to add some variety- the multicoloured ones

so different because of the colours then, but not much else, they still want to take over the universe and destroy it, that's what they do.

that were pure DNA, Rusty and going inside a Dalek, using Davros as the main character in the Dalek story this series. He has also added to Dalek lore and given us a few more hints about Dalek thinking and how they operate.

'cheap laugh'

You have no funny bone or soul if you cant raise a chuckle at the notion of Davros sending out his Daleks to try to find a chair on Skaro!

I have a sense of humour which reacts to funny things. if its funny I laugh, if its naff I don't.

Pettytyrant101 wrote:the very best Dalek scene in NuWho was between Eccleston/Rose and a Dalek- Figg

I disagree, same episode different scene, its either the initial scene where he is in the cell with the Dalek or the conversation where the Dalek concludes that the Doctor would make a good Dalek.
Though I also have a soft spot for its spiritual successor, and rusty the Dalek from Into the Dalek and his conclusion of 12.
But the 12/Davros conversation is in my view far, far superior to the 10. Davros confrontation, and its good. But I much prefer quiet cunning, scientific Davros of Genesis to ranty screamy Davros.

far superior NOW that's funny!

'RTDs Daleks were scary and interesting'

They are not interesting they didn't do anything interesting they turned up exterminated shit and got defeated- the exact problem Moffat pointed out years ago- if all they do is turn up and get beat every time they get less and less a serious threat. You cant keep rebooting Dalek: Invasion Earth every year. You have to find new angles to explore with them, such as via their creator, or by getting a literal new perspective on them as in Into the Dalek. Like or loathe what he has done with Dalek stories, Moffat has undeniably been more inventive in their uses and presentation than RTD was.

exactly, you cant keep rebooting Daleks which is exactly what Moffat does, only he paints them different colours and hope nobody notices. so why does Moffat shove them in every 5 minutes?. it shows lack of imagination.

'but not much else'

Not true- we have learned quite a bit about Daleks in the last two series alone under Moffat- that the potential for a Dalek to choose good over evil exists, that a Dalek can have self awareness of its own genetic trap and that it can have freewill. We learned that the reason they shout exterminate all the time is because their weapons are fired by emotion and barking exterminate charges the gun and the emotion. We learned that the casing can be semi-autonomous and will translate any positive emotional expression as a negative, either vocally or by firing the weapon. We learned that the Dalek controls its unit by a telepathic interface that burrows into the skull. And we discovered that Daleks are so hardwired for survival that they never really die, instead they keep ageing even after the body has aged so much it starts to collapse and liquefy, and that Daleks simply discard their old into their equivalent of the sewer system, and that in fact in dalek the word sewer and graveyard have the same meaning (also reminiscent of how the original Kaleds discarded the sick and the mutated to the wastelands without a second thought).
And that's before we got into the stuff we learned about Davros which informs on the Dalek nature.

So in fact, yeah, quite a lot else.

Pettytyrant101 wrote:Damn it I was hoping your crabbit meant you wouldn't notice that.

azriel wrote:
Look, we, your viewing public are enjoying this * er cough* debate ! do you mind !

Pettytyrant101 wrote:NOW that's funny!- Figg

It had funny moments too, yes, thats one of the ways in which its superior!

'so why does Moffat shove them in every 5 minutes?. it shows lack of imagination.'

No it shows he is doing the job he is contracted to do- which because of the stipulations of the licensing agreement with the Nation estate include having them appear in every series- Moffat doesn't have a choice, all he can do is try to come up with new ways to use them that's not just another invasion/destroy everything story. If RTD had never left he too would be cranking out a Dalek story every year as well. Its part of the gig.

Nagual wrote:

azriel wrote:
Look, we, your viewing public are enjoying this * er cough* debate ! do you mind !

It's great. It's a bit like what happens when an unstoppable object collides with an unmoveable object. Or two kids in the playground arguing who's imaginary friend is better.


There will be hair pulling and stamping of feet soon. And at least one of them is old enough to be losing hair and getting bunions on their feet..