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Re: Doctor Who [11]
by Mrs Figg Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:29 pm
I watched it ok but it looked like Yates had got his mits on it and turned the lights off. 
but besides the darkness issue, it left me with nothing much. just meh. its probably because I don't give a figg (dadoomtoosh!)for any of them.
but besides the darkness issue, it left me with nothing much. just meh. its probably because I don't give a figg (dadoomtoosh!)for any of them.
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Re: Doctor Who [11]
by Pettytyrant101 Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:47 pm
I'm with Malick on this one, that was very good indeed.
- Spoiler:
- An excellent and unexpected character study of the Doctor and Davros with some great fun Missy/Clara stuff that took an excellent twist for the dark with Missy's betrayal of Dalek encased Clara- that was as cold a move as the Master has ever pulled on the Doctor.
And a morality tale that demonstrated just who the doctor is at core, the man who cant help but help because of his compassion and mercy.
Superb dialogue too, especially in the Doctor/Davros scenes and two unbelievably good performances. I think Bleach is now my favourite Davros, even eclipsing the original!
The two part formula really gave this story the room it needed, a frenetic, idea, eye catching opener, and a thoughtful meat of the matter character piece in the second. Making for a very satisfying whole overall- as good a start to a series as I can think of.
Oh and when the Doctor led the young Davros from the battlefield I could almost hear Amy's words to 11 way back in only Moffats second episode -"you never interfere unless children are crying'- in one fashion or anther its been a continuous theme of Moffat's interpretation of the Doctor 11 and 12.
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Re: Doctor Who [11]
by Forest Shepherd Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:54 pm
And I have yet to see either episode. Needless to say the spoilers in this thread are getting mighty hard to ignore.
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Re: Doctor Who [11]
by azriel Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:20 am
Actually this is how I feel about the episode I watched, I may be all wrong but, that wouldnt be a 1st ( or a 1000th ! ) 
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- I felt that now Clara was trapped inside a Dalek, she now knows (obviously ) how it feels, what its like to hear your voice distorted & NOT saying what you want to hear. Aside from all else in this episode I thought about the Daleks & imagined that they were trapped souls, forced into being Daleks, against their will & they also were crying out for help, just as Clara did. Davros said it himself, He & the darleks are one & all the time they live so does he, so, you stick any old bodkin in a tin can & makeit work for you. And the ones in the sewer were the ones he sucked all the juice out off
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Re: Doctor Who [11]
by Pettytyrant101 Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:34 am
- Spoiler:
- I think with the Dalek 'translation', 'I love you' to' 'exterminate', 'you are different' to 'exterminate! exte1rm1ina1te exterminate!' is more that a Dalek shouldn't have those concepts, the machine bit, the casing doesn't know anything else to translate love as but exterminate- a Dalek has no concept of love, so the machine bit has no programming to translate love.
I also love the two notions that the gun is activated by a surgeof emotion, the only emotion Daleks were supposed to feel is hatred, so it makes perfect sense- but with Clara of course any striong emotion does the same thing- love, fear, confusion, they all fire the gun because the casing is only designed to think emotion = shoot as the only emotion it gets from a Dalek is pure hatred.
Other thing I loved here was the idea when they shout 'Exterminate! it reloas the gun. That explains something that has bugged me even since childhood- why is there often a gap in time between the cry of 'exterminate' and them actually firing- they are reloading.
Thats my reading of the translating thing.
Press round up-
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- "Steven Moffat’s dialogue was on top form this week, but it shone thanks to Bleach’s superb performance. It’s incredible how much physicality he brought to the role considering how limiting the costume is, utilising body language and facial expressions to maximum effect and pairing them with a powerful vocal performance" - The Independent
"Capaldi and Julian Bleach are superb in these moments. There’s a coup de théâtre when, for the first time, the wizened Davros opens his eyes. We’d always assumed he had none. No one but Steven Moffat would have thought to do this."- Radio Times
"Peter Capaldi and Julian Bleach crackled with such warped chemistry"- The Guardian
"Missy is like a deliciously dangerous cocktail of dry wit laced with a sneaky shot of psychosis. She pulls you in with hers charms and makes you feel comfortable, then the moment you let your guard down or even consider trusting her, she'll have you strung upside down from a tree". - The Express
'This was a thoughtful character piece in which the Doctor saves the day with an act of mercy rather than a simple wave of his sonic. I found that pleasingly old-school'- Metro
"Seeing the Doctor’s assistant Clara Oswald strapped, trapped, inside a Dalek and only able to communicate like them was ingeniously vivid – palpably claustrophobic and perilous: the fairground ride from hell."- Daily Mail
Even the BBC hating Daily Mail loved it!!
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Re: Doctor Who [11]
by azriel Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:03 am
I have no memory of any history of the Daleks, I missed the episode that described how & why they came into being. For several years I did miss out on Dr Who so, I thought, maybe, my idea wasnt so daft ???
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- If I was an evil dictator & wanted to live as long as possible I would grab any old "being" & stick it in a nice red or blue casing, wire said alien up to a motherboard that destroyed the spirit of said alien till it had run out of life but, the electrical side would be created to turn alien into an obedient servant, cos thats all you need. Obedience to destroy ANYTHING that could jeopardise YOUR existence
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Re: Doctor Who [11]
by Pettytyrant101 Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:31 am
Genesis of the Daleks is probably the best place to start (in many ways this series opener is a sequel to it, certainly in spirit)
But in short the problem is Davros bred the Daleks as the 'final form' he believed the mutations caused by adaptation would lead to in the Kaled people. But he didn't just mutate the shape of a Kaled into a Dalek, he also 'fixed' a lot of philosophical issue he saw, things which he believed made it detrimental to a species to be successful in the universal game of survival of the fittest- notions like love, friendship, compassion, empathy ect.
So its not that the poor little Dalek is in there crying I love you and the casing just shoots people instead- its a little ball of genetically engineered hate in there that wants to kill, cant wait for the chance to kill and show how superior it is, its not that the don't want to feel love, its that they have no genetic capacity left for it.
But in short the problem is Davros bred the Daleks as the 'final form' he believed the mutations caused by adaptation would lead to in the Kaled people. But he didn't just mutate the shape of a Kaled into a Dalek, he also 'fixed' a lot of philosophical issue he saw, things which he believed made it detrimental to a species to be successful in the universal game of survival of the fittest- notions like love, friendship, compassion, empathy ect.
So its not that the poor little Dalek is in there crying I love you and the casing just shoots people instead- its a little ball of genetically engineered hate in there that wants to kill, cant wait for the chance to kill and show how superior it is, its not that the don't want to feel love, its that they have no genetic capacity left for it.
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Re: Doctor Who [11]
by Bluebottle Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:40 am
And probably one of the best episodes of Who ever made, if you can be a tad forgiving of some clunky 1970s production values that creeps in occasionally. 
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Re: Doctor Who [11]
by malickfan Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:57 am
It was also a rare 6 parter than actually felt like it used the time to good affect, I still shudder at those endless chase sequences in Pertwee's 7 parters...
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Re: Doctor Who [11]
by Pettytyrant101 Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:00 am
If I was being critical of Genesis there is some padding, there's a fair bit of get captured, escape, get captured again back where you started to it- I could do without the Sarah Jane rocket-ship escape cliffhanger back where they started resolution one for example, it just slows the whole thing up and doesn't add anything. Overall though still one of the great stories and the cast all on top form.
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Re: Doctor Who [11]
by Pettytyrant101 Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:08 am
Azriel- been thinking about it and whilst Daleks are pure bred to be genetically filled with hate for anything not a Dalek there are other types- there is full Dalek conversion- where instead of making one of the 'robo-men' types out of someone, with the Dalek stalk that comes out their head, they turn them into a full Dalek- its what happens to one of the versions of Clara in Asylum of the Dalek- so its possible in those cases the shell's programming is more in control than it would need to be with a pure bred Dalek who would have no concept of much else outside of how fun it is to kill shit that aint a Dalek.
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Re: Doctor Who [11]
by Mrs Figg Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:28 am
well its the end of the road for me and Doctor Who. Cant bear to watch it any more. its a shame really but the time has come to cut the cord. I might give the next showrunner a go but as it is at the moment I cant even summon up enough interest to get crabbit.
anyway Petty will be pleased no more negativity on this thread.
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Re: Doctor Who [11]
by Bluebottle Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:08 am
Mrs Figg wrote:anyway Petty will be pleased no more negativity on this thread.
Weeell.. let's not go that far.
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Re: Doctor Who [11]
by azriel Sun Sep 27, 2015 11:10 am
Thanks for that Petty
I love Dr Who, have done since I was a child but, there is one thing that chews my arse.... I think what Im personally not keen on is....the rapid fire clever clogs banter. The old Drs werent quite so fast talking at moments of imminent death whereas this Dr, ( & Tennant et al ) speeds up so that I dont always get what he says ? Give it to me slowly !
I love Dr Who, have done since I was a child but, there is one thing that chews my arse.... I think what Im personally not keen on is....the rapid fire clever clogs banter. The old Drs werent quite so fast talking at moments of imminent death whereas this Dr, ( & Tennant et al ) speeds up so that I dont always get what he says ? Give it to me slowly !
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Re: Doctor Who [11]
by Forest Shepherd Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:32 pm
And goodbye to Figg and Petty's...well, nevermind. They'll find other places where they can continue the endless feud.
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by Bluebottle Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:55 pm
endless feud.. elongated formalities.. egregious fumbling.. esoteric fawning..
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Re: Doctor Who [11]
by halfwise Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:57 pm
Makes me wish Coupling was still on the air. Though that one slid downhill after the brilliant first season or two.
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Re: Doctor Who [11]
by Mrs Figg Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:09 pm
Forest Shepherd wrote:And goodbye to Figg and Petty's...well, nevermind. They'll find other places where they can continue the endless feud.
no doubt.
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by malickfan Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:15 pm
Mrs Figg wrote:Petty will be pleased no more negativity on this thread.
Don't worry I'm up to the task
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by malickfan Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:28 pm
This is neat, Paul McGann's audition (well, part of it at least)
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Re: Doctor Who [11]
by Nagual Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:05 pm
Dr Who Good.
Mrs Figg and Pettytyrant fighting all time also good. Means they love each other. Kissing. Marriage. Babies. Etc. Etc.
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by Pettytyrant101 Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:57 pm
'watched it ok but it looked like Yates had got his mits on it and turned the lights off.'- Figg
coming from you thats a good review of a Moffat episode, so how do you go from that to-
'well its the end of the road for me and Doctor Who. Cant bear to watch it any more.'
Also I am curious about what it was about this episode made up your mind? Its a strong character piece which is something you have been critical of it not being in the past. It seems an odd one to choose to quit on.
'anyway Petty will be pleased no more negativity on this thread.'
Nope, I wont be. I love Who and I enjoy sharing the joy and pleasure it brings me with others. It does nothing but sadden me that the show does not bring you those things. But at least when you were being disparaging about it there was still something there that kept you watching.
And I hate missing out on a good fighting opponent.
(My money however is on your return, if for no other reason that a northern lass can only stand so long outside a closed door behind which they can hear a right good barny going on before she has to go in )
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You know, when you only post when I am on a rare bit of absence of more than several hours, people just think you are a sock-puppet of mine.
And you've seen my socks, when I'm using the stick to stop them climbing the barrel walls, they would make for a monstrous puppet!
As to the list, you know fine well I have no truck with the last two as you cant do them with a bottle of buckie!
coming from you thats a good review of a Moffat episode, so how do you go from that to-
'well its the end of the road for me and Doctor Who. Cant bear to watch it any more.'
Also I am curious about what it was about this episode made up your mind? Its a strong character piece which is something you have been critical of it not being in the past. It seems an odd one to choose to quit on.
'anyway Petty will be pleased no more negativity on this thread.'
Nope, I wont be. I love Who and I enjoy sharing the joy and pleasure it brings me with others. It does nothing but sadden me that the show does not bring you those things. But at least when you were being disparaging about it there was still something there that kept you watching.
And I hate missing out on a good fighting opponent.
(My money however is on your return, if for no other reason that a northern lass can only stand so long outside a closed door behind which they can hear a right good barny going on before she has to go in
)'Mrs Figg and Pettytyrant fighting all time also good. Means they love each other. Kissing. Marriage. Babies. Etc. Etc.'- Nagual
You know, when you only post when I am on a rare bit of absence of more than several hours, people just think you are a sock-puppet of mine.
And you've seen my socks, when I'm using the stick to stop them climbing the barrel walls, they would make for a monstrous puppet!
As to the list, you know fine well I have no truck with the last two as you cant do them with a bottle of buckie!
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