script writing for the Hobbit...

Bluebottle wrote:Yeah. Did you say somewhere that you felt Peter Jackson just lost interest in the movies when they didn't have the popular culture impact he expected? That's very much how the ending felt to me, anyway. Like he lost interest.  

I have said that before, but I know others here have said it too. That's exactly how it felt to me though. Like because his experiment in 48FPS didn't have the impact he wanted he lost interest in the films overall. I mean I feel he should have concentrated on the story rather than all the bells and whistles of 48fps, or 3D. But as you can tell there was always something flying at the screen or some big OTT action sequence designed to show off the new technology. He was so animated in the Vlog about the epic red cameras making such a big deal about them. I get technology but when you have a tried and true method in front of you that has never failed you. You should stick with what works especially when your doing a set of films directly related to what you already did before.

I think once DOS didn't get the same anticipation and hype from fans as AUJ he completely lost interest. Just the story telling over all in the third film indicates such a thing. Not to mention the abrupt ending. I mean he barely did any Vlogs for the second film and there were NONE for third film at all.

The vlogs were supposed to be production diaries, so they focused on the filming process, not editing. Most of the filming was done before AUJ, with lengthy pickups before DOS, and very little before BOFA. So the releases of vlogs makes sense to me.

I'm sure PJ was disappointed by the reception a little bit, but I don't want to speculate too much about his thought process.

Yeah, one should probably also consider that there was no further filming made for the third movie. And making a movie up in the editing room probably had some effect. It just seems sloppy to me though. Thrown together with little care. Because that ending didn't make a whole lot of sense in the end.

Eldorion wrote:The vlogs were supposed to be production diaries, so they focused on the filming process, not editing. Most of the filming was done before AUJ, with lengthy pickups before DOS, and very little before BOFA. So the releases of vlogs makes sense to me.

I'm sure PJ was disappointed by the reception a little bit, but I don't want to speculate too much about his thought process.

Maybe but there is so much cool stuff IMHO in the editing process that they could have touched on, and at least given us 2 more Vlogs to document the post production work.

It seemed to me that once Jackson realized things weren't going the route he had hoped for he quit giving a crap and just slapped the final cut of the film together without any real thought into it. Other than what to save for the EE.

Maybe if the editing in these movies was actually good, but there's some really atrocious stuff here. Plus they did a whole thing in the editing room with PJ and Jabez during the live event for DOS back in 2013.

bungobaggins wrote:Maybe if the editing in these movies was actually good, but there's some really atrocious stuff here. Plus they did a whole thing in the editing room with PJ and Jabez during the live event for DOS back in 2013.

The editing of the third film was atrocious, like I said I think Jackson had given up by that point and the editing is the proof. I mean its as if he just quit giving a shit and phoned in the editing choices for the final film. Even the EE of DOS the editing wasn't up to par with any of the LOTR films

The Kili or is it Fili! death scene with Tauriel is appallingly edited- well actually its excellently edited if you were making a parody, but as a supposed emotional serious scene, all the long slo-mo cuts back and forth are just hysterical, there are so many of them.
I cant believe professionals made that and didn't think it looked like a editing in-joke.

Speaking of in-jokes, did anyone hear the Wilhelm scream in BOFA?

I'm sure it was in there but I can't recall off the top of my head.

Perhaps they left it to the audience. You know, like a performance art thing.

I'm so going to win #mostliberal, aren't I.

watching BO5A I remember feeling like being in the Dentists waiting room reading a tatty copy of Readers Digest, only there are some interesting articles in Readers Digest.

She aint wrong chuck

Eldorion wrote:I'm sure it was in there but I can't recall off the top of my head.

Found it! {{{}}}

Heard it !

I fuckin' lost it.

Quick, someone make a "funniest video edit" award so we can give it to bungo.

That's just trolling. I took that for the real thing.

Sinister71 wrote:well I must say my Thorin so far is a wind bag but his word count is not as much as Bilbo's.  My Thorin is kind of a pompous ass, thinking himself above the entire company. Not to say he doesn't have civil conversations with them but there are many times in what i wrote where he has a condescending tone. I did give a few of Thorin's lines to Balin, like Thorin was above Bilbo at one point and Balin was kind of Thorin's second relaying his wishes or intentions to Bilbo. But have edited it back to the way it was in the book for the most part

I want to keep my story Bilbo-centric showing him as the main character and that it is his story and not Thorin's or Gandalf's as Jackson did

Well I don't see how the bold can work out. Giving Thorin's invented dialogue to Balin is not returning things back to the way they were in the book.

Like I said Forest for the most part everything has been put back to the way the book had it. Dialogue returned to characters who originally had it. But I found there are certain things that are needed to make a character come across in a certain way. delivery can only get you so far, the rest has to be in the way the lines are delivered. and by whom they are delivered. I want Thorin coming across as he is too good to talk to someone of Bilbo's stature unless it is necessary.Some of the lines Thoriin have could be given by another dwarf in order to make Thorin seem like he feels he is above Bilbo's stature

Thorin in the book is not a very likable character, which should be conveyed in the story as well, he is a character who knows he is in line to be king even though there is no kingdom at the time and demands the respect a king should be given. Balin knows him better than any of the other dwarfs, so rather than have Thorin lower himself to talk to Bilbo in some instances I figured a dwarf of a lower status that Thorin, who knows him from the glory days of Thorin and his kingdom would intervene on Thorin's behalf, sort of as an educator. This way Bilbo may better understand Thorin without Throin actually having to explain himself, which in his mind everyone should already know. (Like I said pompous ass, he thinks he is more famous or well known than he really is)

I hate to admit it but sometimes things need to be changed slightly to get a story across. In my version I want to get across that this is Thorin's last shot, not at regaining his homeland but at getting his treasure back. I want to get across how big a dick Thorin is. I don't want him being a heart throb, I don't want him likable. I wan't people to associate with Bilbo,and wonder why Bilbo is going through all this for someone who is an asshole. Thorin will have moments where he respects Bilbo and treats him kindly and then moments where they are becoming friends but at the height of their relationship Bilbo takes the Arkenstone and breaks that friendship for the time being, to save Thorin from himself. By the end Thorin will change from the pompous ass he was in the beginning to a more humble dwarf and Bilbo will go from a timid, shy Hobbit to someone who is sure of his own worth and has the confidence to over come anything he sets his mind to.

Well reasoned.

Seems legit.

(Of course I haven't seen this draft yet)

once its ready and I feel its as good as it can get I plan on sharing it. I've lost track of how many hours have gone into this thing. So it definitely a passionate project for me to say the least

I thought they would make Galadriel look more like this, but they didnae

That looked pretty dumb, too.