thranduil

thranduil appreciateing post, because of all the things PJ fucked up, he did not fuck up the beatiful Thranduil, his cloth, his attitude and yeah. (except that zombie face-thing)

I love Thrandy's outfits, he was quite elegant & Regal but, he looked like Malfoy's dad from Harry Potter ? He spoke very Kingly but I thought a touch to snobby or stuck up ? I didnt feel as tho I could trust him ? had a devious feel about him ?

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What was there to fuck up?  The Elven-king barely does anything in the book.  He has very little personality beyond being kind of an asshole, and I don't recall him being described as attractive (or ugly, or as anything, really). He's a blank slate for the most part, so PJ had a lot of latitude in developing his character in an expanded capacity.  I mean, sure, at least PJ didn't give us something like the 1977 film instead, but that's a really low bar.

And have you [anyone] seen the tornic thread on Thranduil as 'Fisher King' and so on, based on something Lee Pace said?

If you did you will see my Elthiric reaction there too.

no, a link perhaps?

Perhaps.

I think only women really liked the look of Thranduil. I hazard most men were thinking "what's this 70's glam rocker doing in The Hobbit?"

Apart from the stupid face scar thing for the most part I thought Thranduil was one of the better realised characters- yeah he is a bit disco, yeah some of his dialogue is less than sterling, but I thought Pace judged the character pretty well.

yes overall I like his costumes and the fact he looks otherworldly and haughty, but I hate the scarface and his violence towards the orc, breaking of his word etc. He is something pretty for us girls to look at I guess.    not really going to take it seriously, its a bit of sparkling fluff, like the films. I do like Lee Pace, I think he got the Elvish persona better than Celeborn, at any rate he doesnt speak like he is in a sleeping trance which is a bonus.   Actually he would have made the perfect Celeborn.

I hated the part where they gave him that bit of dialogue, "Such is the nature of evil..." It sounded like the writers trying to sound like Tolkien. Made me cringe in my seat in the theater.

Norc wrote:

Honestly he looks like something out of those Twilight movies. Does he sparkle, too?

yeah corny dialogue.

halfwise wrote:I think only women really liked the look of Thranduil.  I hazard most men were thinking "what's this 70's glam rocker doing in The Hobbit?"

Like this ????

Yep.

Considering how rotten everything else was, Thranduil was rather well done. He had that Elven look from the LOTR movied, before elves started rotating slowing around their own axis for no good reason or acted like a 15 year old's super warrior rpg fantacy. (I am worried that we will get to see Galadriel doing both....) And it was clear that PJ remembered that he is Leggy's daddy. And I was wondering how they would solve the crown, it's not bad.

I agree hes a lot better than Celeborn. Poor old dear didnt fit in as an Elf or, anything else ? He was 'made' to be to wooden, or like a mannequin in a shop window. He livened up a bit when telling Aragorn of the Orcs & giving him the blade, but, he was not that bothered ? he was the kind of guy that disappears into the potting shed when the wife nags   Thrandy seems more 'hands on' ? & as Eldo says, he wasnt a big character in the book ? tho we did know of him, I think in the book I felt the characters were each given an equal amount of 'book time' ? And I still felt 100% from the book that, it was BILBO's story, not Thorins, not Gandalf's or some bloody White Council, & I didnt get the ever ongoing 'Evil   ', or the fooking 'necromancer' from one page to another !

The crown looked cheaply made in the HFR. I could tell it was just a prop.

azriel wrote:

halfwise wrote:I think only women really liked the look of Thranduil.  I hazard most men were thinking "what's this 70's glam rocker doing in The Hobbit?"

Like this ????

   those pants! how tight? I can see his lunch box. ((((((not that I was staring at it, of course)))))  

Shit ! right ! Thats the one I thought of as being 'Thrandy-ish'  

And Elrond is sitting down (on the right) in lilac  

((((((I think thats Orwell   the ginger one is Petty   ))))))))

Mrs Figg wrote:yes overall I like his costumes and the fact he looks otherworldly and haughty, but I hate the scarface and his violence towards the orc, breaking of his word etc.

This was what bothered me most about Thranduil in DOS (he didn't do enough in AUJ for me to really have an opinion of him beyond his appearance). I really dislike the theme of "heroic brutality" that seems to have become more popular in recent years, although of course it has a very long history in film. If you're going to make a morally ambiguous film with an antihero whose actions are not necessarily endorsed by the narrative, then I don't mind the protagonist doing awful shit. But in a film like The Hobbit (or The Lord of the Rings, with Aragorn's decapitation of the Mouth of Sauron or Gandalf/Shadowfax murdering Denethor by kicking him into the pyre) where the protagonists are clearly cast as the good guys, casual murder and breaking of the laws of war rubs me the wrong way. If there was any indication that PJ disapproved of such actions (as there was, albeit only slightly, in the beating of Gollum scene from TTT-EE, not that I liked that scene much either) then I wouldn't necessarily mind. But as the scene as it stands sends an extremely odious moral message.

I do agree that it was nice that there was seemed to be family resemblance between Lee Pace and Orly. And I don't really mind his costume, although the elk steed is still dumb IMO. Being haughty is okay for the character too, I think. It fits his book characterization and establishes him as an obstacle to the quest.

yes me too Eldo. In LOTR I get the impression the chivalric code was important, oathbreakers were damned, therefore an Elf breaking his word is doubly bad. and done just for spectacle. I dont include the Shadowfax scene in this because I dont think it was meant to imply the horse murdered someone, but rather save Faramir.