Religous debates and questions [2]

richardbrucebaxter wrote:Islam was very progressive for the bedouin culture at the time, but you should read the Quran to properly understand it.

Pettytyrant101 wrote:Do we have any Muslim folks? I dont think so, and actually I dont suppose a normal Muslim would help with my puzzlement as its really a question for the more extreme nutty sort and would be as alien to a normal Muslim as to anyone else.

I was watching a report on those poor abducted school girls and the nutty group which has them captive.

And this is what I dont get- the story of the Prophet Muhammad could not be more clear on one point- he would never have got to be the prophet in the first place had he not had the support of a woman. A woman who is considerably older than him, a mother, previously divorced, well educated and who runs her own successful business.
Muhammad has quite a lot to say on women, all of it good- dont hold them against their will, dont force them into marriage, slavery, never sell them for sex.
He also preaches strongly on the need to educate, to learn and so learn more of God, he even tells his followers that if they have to go all the way to China in a search for wisdom and knowledge then they should. And there is no bar on this search to women, quite the opposite it was as much their duty as a mans.
The Muslim religion in the 800AD gave us the world's first university with a degree, set up by a woman.
Muhammad's dying words are given over to a positive take on the treatment of women. He could not be more pro-woman.

So where does all this nonsense about women that we see so commonly now portrayed as Muslim come from? Where are these fanatics getting their religious justification from? What am I missing?

Pettytyrant101 wrote: but with Chrisitans fundamentalists I can point to where they get religious validation for their beliefs.

My question was, why is it that halal meat is the recommended diet..., however it is acceptable to eat battery farmed animal products.

Lancebloke wrote:In this case to not even understand why they are doing it... why the various rules say 'don't do it' just pisses me off.  When people say 'because it tells me to' and they have no idea why it would tell you to then it frustrates me.

Generally in Islam, every object and action is considered permissible unless there is a prohibition of it in the Islamic scriptures.[2][3][4] Clarification is given below in detail as to what is considered to be a permissible object or action in Islam, along with the exceptions.



Halal foods are foods that Muslims are allowed to eat or drink under Islamic Shariʻah. The criteria specify both what foods are allowed, and how the food must be prepared. The foods addressed are mostly types of meat and animal tissue.


Explicitly forbidden

A variety of substances are considered as harmful (haraam) for humans to consume and, therefore, forbidden as per various Qurʼanic verses:

Pork[5]
Animals slaughtered in the name of anyone but "Allah". All that has been dedicated or offered in sacrifice to an idolatrous altar or saint or a person considered to be "divine"[5][6]
Carrion (carcasses of dead animals)[5][clarification needed]
An animal that has been strangled, beaten (to death), killed by a fall, gored (to death), or savaged by a beast of prey (unless finished off by a human)[6]
Blood[6]
Animal meat over which Allah's name is not pronounced[7]
Intoxicants and alcoholic beverages[8]

Exception if no halal is available

If there is absolutely no other halal food available and the Muslim is forced by necessity, then a Muslim is allowed to eat non-halal food.