Faramir and other changes

I really liked the Lighting of The Beacons in ROTK...there I said it.

 Even the Pippn climbing it stuff?- even the fact they defy the Lord of the City, and no one cares and nothing happpens as a consequence of it? Even though its stupid? Even including that terrible final shot of grumpy Denethor at the window unable to rule anything in his own city? Are you sure Malick?   

It looked cool! and it was a very cinematic way to connect the different storylines... then again I haven't watched ROTK in maybe five years...

Denethor...I don't even think of him as the same character as in the book

It looked cool! - Malick

You wont get away with pleading the PJ defence to me Malick!  

Petty you truly are Lord of The Crabitute.

On the one hand the lighting of the beacons is a visually marvellous scene and contains some of the most memorable music from ROTK.

On the other hand ... everything else about it.

IMO.

Exactly, PJ butchered Tolkien's story, but at least he made it look suitably cinematic in the process.

Always show not tell in a film.

I think PJ managed to tell a pretty damn good story in the end, even if it's not as good as Tolkien's.  And I don't say that just because it's different, but because I think many of Jackson's changes were detrimental to the quality of the story.  Generally speaking though, I don't mind adaptations that change the source material if I think it made the story better (especially not if I have no connection to the source material).

But a part of me still rolls my eyes at the beacon scene.

The beacons being lit and the pan through the mountains might be cinematic looking but its bloody stupid, not one of those places would you put a beacon, you dont put them high up, you put them just high up enough, noone would ever see those beacons, if it was a cloudy day theyd be totally useless that high up, and where would you get the wood to keep them going above the tree line?    

Maybe that explains the Entwives? The gondorians killed them for firewood?

I say it again Petty you must write a parody of LOTR films as well...

One thing I never got is the complaints about T Bomb's Abscence...do people really want to imagine how Jackson and co would explain/visualise him? They'd probably make him Saruman's uncle or something.

I love him in the book, but unless Brian Blessed were playing him, I'm relieved he never featured.

And yet it was gorgeous. If only they had put it a bit earlier when Pippin and Gandalf were riding towards Minas Tirith where it belonged, then Gandalf could mention it and the camera wheels upwards to the magnificent mountain beacon scene. Doesn't matter a whit that they were impracticably placed, that sequence was cinematic gold.

love the Beacons scene, those mountains were truly magnificent, the Whole thing is magnificent.
((((wonder if they are the 'right type of mountain'  ))))

Frankly all your standards are shockingly below required crabbit levels  

One of the things Tolkien does exceptionally well is create a sense of everyday reality around his story so that the fantastical is both fantastical when it appears and you buy into it because you already believe in the world. And he uses loads of subtle means to convey this.
If you are adapting his work it should be a part of any adaptation to also try to convey this same sense of reality and use all cinema devices available to achieve it.

The scene could still be cinematic without it being unrealistic, such as people lighting beacons whilst they are quite clearly above the cloud level and no one can see them. But of course that's but one of the many, many examples in which PJ undermines the credibility of the created world. And the cumulative effect is detrimental to the spirit and purpose of the original work in my view.

All your crabbit and logic cannot prevail against one of the most inspiring sequences in cinemagraphic history. The movies are a mixture of dross with flecks of gold - this was gold.

Gold  

Tarnished if it is by stupidity and a lack of understanding. In fact more a polished turd, to a nice shine granted, but still a turd   (and yes that is as close as I am going to get to saying anything good about it)

Maybe we are being a bit unfair on Jackson and co, they are Tolkien fans after all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4amPIYaLYc

Peter Jackson Interview 2003:

"You never know or have a clue what you're making when you're making it, so at the end of the day, all that I ever rely on is making the movie for myself. I think that this was kind of fraught with little traps where if we listened too much to what the Tolkien fans wanted or their opinions, that we would trip ourselves up and so we just regarded ourselves as Tolkien fans. Thus the decisions that we made were really just what we wanted to enjoy out of the Lord of the Rings."

Apparently that Rumour about Jackson only reading LOTR once before getting the film rights was true:

http://www.lordoftherings.net/legend/interviews/peterjackson2/

http://movieline.com/2012/12/18/philippa-boyens-interview-the-hobbit-the-silmarillion/2/

I have some good news for you. I looked, on the schedule. There's no movie coming out December 2043.
(Intense laughter)
Don't pretend you don’t know where I'm going –
I'll be 80-something. I'll be 80 and somebody else will be doing it. That was really hard I have to say, that I couldn't go back there. [There are] extraordinary pieces of writing, extraordinary pieces of the puzzle in The Silmarillion. And we couldn't go near it. I haven't read it for 25 years. I just can't afford to have it in my head because we don't have any of the rights. And also it will just break my heart. I had to let it go.

Hmm...here's me thinking she was hired as a screenwriter for LOTR in 1999, 13 years prior so apparently for 12 years she was too broken hearted by the films (which didn't yet exist) to re read The Silmarillion something she considered extroadinary writing, understandable I suppose she is a Tolkien expert.

And from the most recent EMPIRE issue:
Foremost is the almost physic link he has developed with co-screenwriters Walsh and Boyesn, the brain trust who take the strain of staying faithful to Tolkien as their director let’s his imagination fly. It is touching to observe Jackson defer, with an plaintive shrug, to his partners when discussions tread the treacherous paths of Tolkienhood. Empire tried to recall if the original book had any female characters..
Boyens: No, none at all actually.
Walsh: There are references to Galdariel and Dol Guldor
Boyens: She is not actually ever referenced
Walsh: what about Lobelia?
Boyens:Yes Lobelia
Walsh: That paen to feminity
Boyens: Actually I don’t think she is
Walsh:She is, the silver spoons
Boyens:That is from The Lord of The Rings
Jackson: (Hopefully)Don’t the Sackville-Baggins buy all his furniture when they think he is dead?
Boyens: He always puts that first Rings chapter at the end of The Hobbit (Er, no he doesn’t my edition doesn’t have it, and it wasn’t a personal choice by Professor Tolkien). It feels like there are things in The Hobbit when there are not. Even the spiders are genderless. They do have a scary mother though.
The directors has long claimed that if he provides the energy whimsy and Mirkwoodian log flumes, Boeyns and Walsh are the beating heart of the films

"This will probably get me struck off The One Ring party list but I am enjoying deviating from the book"

 

*Sarcasm*

That crabbit enough for you Petty?

Its certainly in the right spirit Malick  

Perhaps we should open a dedicated Praising Peter Jackson thread?

Not forgetting the Saul Zanetz appreciation society and the Ralph Bakshi is a genius thread...

 

I think you are having a bad influence on me Petty I used to be a miserable git...now I'm a miserable sarcastic git..

You are on the road to crabbit enlightenment, but you wont be happy about it when you get there.  

Well the way The Not-Quite-The-Hobbit trilogy is going I might  before I get there.

Being crabbit is a badge of Cultural pride for most Brits Petty, only the Scots are better at it...

you have to develop counter-crabbit.

Being crabbit is a badge of Cultural pride for most Brits Petty, only the Scots are better at it...- Malick

Well obviously, I mean look at the neighbpurs we have to put up with  

Counter Crabbit? Some sort of Antidote?

I have a solution already lots of

Regarding your Neighbours, Petty you really shouldn't speak about the Manx and Faroroseian Islanders that way.