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Re: Star Wars [2]
by Eldorion Sat Jan 02, 2016 6:42 am
The Star Wars bug has still got me in its grasp (along with the flu bug 
) so I figured I'd try reading some of the new EU novels. The one I heard the most good things about was Lost Stars, so I decided to start there.
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I fucking loved it. The book is 551 pages long and I read it in a single day. The book is marketed as YA and like a lot of YA fiction it is a very fast read but I would hate to see this book marginalized by SW fans because of the label slapped on it. As someone who works in a bookstore, I can tell you that the divisions between juvenile, YA, and adult fiction are extremely arbitrary and that there's a lot of overlap. Lost Stars is at its core about a romance between two people who both go into the Imperial Academy together but end up on opposite sides of the Galactic Civil War, but it's also about the big picture in the SW Galaxy during that time. I would never describe it as mushy; the characters (who are adults for most of the book) are fantastic and the depiction of romance and sex ("fade to black" sex scenes, but still) was genuinely moving to me. It touches a lot on the tensions between duty and love, loyalty and honor and stuff like that but it doesn't get preachy and feels emotionally honest to the very end. It sort of reminded me of Death Star from the old EU in terms of depicting scenes from the original trilogy from the point of view of background characters/extras from the movies, and like Death Star this did occasionally feel corny, but I thought it was handled well and at the end of the day enjoyed both books very much. But I think I'd put Lost Stars ahead ... it really spoke to the romantic in me, who doesn't always get to come out all that much. I don't want to spoil the ending but I was definitely invested in the characters and ... well, I'll just say that I think all the emotions in the final act are thoroughly earned. You can argue that there are plot contrivances but the book deals with the question of spirituality and the Force and given what we know of the Star Wars universe I think we're supposed to believe in Fate and Destiny here. I have no problem doing that with this book. It's a different sort of story from the main SW movies but it still felt like part of the same universe. Highly recommended.
) so I figured I'd try reading some of the new EU novels. The one I heard the most good things about was Lost Stars, so I decided to start there.I fucking loved it. The book is 551 pages long and I read it in a single day. The book is marketed as YA and like a lot of YA fiction it is a very fast read but I would hate to see this book marginalized by SW fans because of the label slapped on it. As someone who works in a bookstore, I can tell you that the divisions between juvenile, YA, and adult fiction are extremely arbitrary and that there's a lot of overlap. Lost Stars is at its core about a romance between two people who both go into the Imperial Academy together but end up on opposite sides of the Galactic Civil War, but it's also about the big picture in the SW Galaxy during that time. I would never describe it as mushy; the characters (who are adults for most of the book) are fantastic and the depiction of romance and sex ("fade to black" sex scenes, but still) was genuinely moving to me. It touches a lot on the tensions between duty and love, loyalty and honor and stuff like that but it doesn't get preachy and feels emotionally honest to the very end. It sort of reminded me of Death Star from the old EU in terms of depicting scenes from the original trilogy from the point of view of background characters/extras from the movies, and like Death Star this did occasionally feel corny, but I thought it was handled well and at the end of the day enjoyed both books very much. But I think I'd put Lost Stars ahead ... it really spoke to the romantic in me, who doesn't always get to come out all that much. I don't want to spoil the ending but I was definitely invested in the characters and ... well, I'll just say that I think all the emotions in the final act are thoroughly earned. You can argue that there are plot contrivances but the book deals with the question of spirituality and the Force and given what we know of the Star Wars universe I think we're supposed to believe in Fate and Destiny here. I have no problem doing that with this book. It's a different sort of story from the main SW movies but it still felt like part of the same universe. Highly recommended.
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Re: Star Wars [2]
by Forest Shepherd Sat Jan 02, 2016 7:09 am
Nice! It's meaningful to have an example of this "great conglomerate of Star Wars Universe writing" that people keep talking about.
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Re: Star Wars [2]
by azriel Sat Jan 02, 2016 8:12 am
At 8.47 is where it sent me into a fit of giggles
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by Eldorion Sat Jan 02, 2016 8:44 am
Cheers, Forest! 
The Emperor is definitely one of the best parts of Robot Chicken Star Wars, az.
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The Emperor is definitely one of the best parts of Robot Chicken Star Wars, az.
And yes, Petty, we're all looking forward to your review...
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Re: Star Wars [2]
by Pettytyrant101 Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:39 am
Its on the way-ish.
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Re: Star Wars [2]
by Pettytyrant101 Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:04 pm
SW- The Force Awakens -Crabbit Review (Um, part 1)
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- The Force Awakens rather begs comparison with the original SW by rewriting most of its plot, or rebooting, or rehashing it- pick your favourite word.
So it seem fair game to compare it at points with the original SW film, and no better place for comparison than both films openings and first act.
The original SW opening sequence is an elegant testament to the strength of visual storytelling- there is very little dialogue and its usually perfunctory as opposed to meaningful- what tells the story is the visuals- the rebels in their little battered ship with their organic everyday clothing- and the Empire in its massive imposing ship with Vader all in black armour and the non organic shiny plasticy clothing of the Stormtrooper army.
You don't need dialogue to know what's going on- but where there is dialogue in the original opening its used to effectively portray the characters- so Vader has little say but is menacing and intimidating and lethal, Leia lays out her character- brave, royal, a bit haughty and in that one conversation with Vader its laid out nicely and clearly what the state of play is regards Empire and Rebels.
And then we have R2-D2- who on paper should never work as a character being a large pedal bin whose ability to emote comes down to spinning its head right or left, rocking sideways or back and forth and making beeping noises- but what makes R2 work is that he is half of a duo- as a character he needs C3P0 to play off.
The plot the original is trying to achieve in its opening is explain the good guys and bad guys and that the bad guys outgun in every way the good guys- and to set a simple plot in action- good guys have bad guys plans and have to get them from A to B whilst bad guys try stop them.
Everything you need to know going ahead about the first SW is set up neatly and economically in the opening sequence.
Now lets turn to Force Awakens- what's the political situation here? Because despite the scroll it doesn't make a lot of sense to me- at the end of Jedi Empire lost good guys won- now we have an Empire with seemingly infinite resources, apparently a Republic too, and for some reason a Resistance as well still- why isn't Leia and the Resistance the official army of the Republic they created? Who are they rebels against? The Empire? Why do the Empire still exist on such a military scale- and having such military might why do they tolerate the existence of an official republic? Hell what do they need a planet sized death star for, when from what they see, they already out military everyone else by a lightyear anyway.
What we basically get in the opening of Force Awaken is the opening of SW plus the first hour with Obi cut down and squeezed into ten minutes.
So we have an Obi lite who is instructing the not the hero of this film about what to do with some plans they need to smuggle to the resistance- in terms of all the plot they have to set up its the same as the original- yet its all so over-plotted and clumsy in comparison, and forced, if you will excuse the pun.
Its a film of contrivances- which brings me to Fin- the Stormtrooper who one day has the realisation he is on the bad guys side- a moment which made me burst out-laughing as all I could think of was this Mitchell and Web sketch-
So, what? all the other days Fin has been a Stormtrooper killing innocents and generally being a bastard he never had  second thought- why now? What's different about the job today? We have no idea we don't get any inkling of why he has his epiphany at that time (and why as he stands there in a line with all the other Stormtrooper happily shooting up the villagers and he refuses to fire a single shot does no-one else notice?)
Anyway the Obi lite character is dually dragged out and murdered by Vader lite- but who cares? I have no investment in this guy he has only been on screen for about 2 minutes all in.
And the not the hero character whose name I cant even remember gets taken captive, and who I know turns back up at the end of the film but I honestly at this moment cant even recollect how he gets from this point to that- almost certainly by yet another handy plot contrivance.
Anyhow after all this nonsense that either doesn't make much sense or happens with no real context to make you give a hoot we finally get to the same point the original does- droid carrying vital information escaping from the Empire on a desert world.
And why a desert world again? Its not Tatooine so why make it a desert?- were they that desperate to make it look like the original film? All it does its remind the viewer that the original films were miles better by this point already in terms of how they handled narrative.
And then there is the droid itself- its better than R2 in design in that it is capable of greater 'head' movement and of conveying personality- but without a C3PO to play off there is no-one most of the time to act off and so the character just comes off as cute but bland. If it had got blown up in the final battle as R2 did in SW I would not have given a damn, like losing a toaster. What made R2 work was that we had got to know him through his interactions with others, not just a s a plot device.
Now is a good point to talk originality- there is nothing original in the first SW film,nor is there in this- the difference between the two is that the unoriginality is disguised in the original with new ideas of how to present them narratively and visually and in this the lack of originality is just a selling point-it looks like the original how great is that? No its not its lazy and sloppy.
So how do the openings compare in temrs of setting up the narrtive?- well in the original the politics is clear and simple, the main characters are introduced in a manner which sets up their character traits well for the remainder. And is economical and clear.
The new film gives a muddled political set up, presents us with characters who die we don't care about because we don't know them, then introduces one half of the hero team of the film in a way which is more amusing than dramatic and which doesn't make much sense, and for which we have no reason to care because again we don't know them.
Another issue here is Fin is in the Han Solo role- the rogue who you dont know if he will stay around or bugger off to look after himself (as he tries to later and Han did twice). But you cant introduce that character first because they are too ambiguous- especially like this- where the first thing we see him do is change sides, for reasons we don't know other than he is maybe not that bright an despite a life time of being a Trooper hadn't noticed what they do yet.
Oh dear, I make it only about ten minutes into the film so far, probably take longer to read all that's wrong about it here through crabbit detection than to watch the damn thing. I need a buckie break, I shall try to tackle the rest of the film more concisely, if the crabbit will let me, or we will be here all day!
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Re: Star Wars [2]
by halfwise Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:00 pm
I agree with everything you've said. The film felt contrived to redo Star Wars, not continue it.
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Re: Star Wars [2]
by Pettytyrant101 Sat Jan 02, 2016 4:59 pm
Crabbit review of Force Awakens- part 2
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- OK lets move on to the hero of the piece our female Luke, who goes by the name of Rey or something. I am not sure because it takes so long for her to say her name to anyone or for anyone to call her by her name that's its not exactly emblazoned on my memory.
Compare it with Luke's introduction which is his aunt calling his name repeatedly moments before we see his face.
And what does our heroine do for a living?- well she searches for scrap among a graveyard of spaceships, and then she sells it to some dodgy buggers for barely enough food to live on each day.
As a concept that's fine- but the problem is every other part of the context its presented in doesn't fit.
Lets start with Rey herself- she seems smart, intelligent, competent, she can handle herself in a fight, good with mechanics and she speaks Droid.
I'd like to repeat that last one with some emphasis- she speaks FUCKING droid.
Not even Luke spoke droid, he had a little display in the cockpit of his xwing told him what R2 was on about- C3PO did the translating for R2 most of the time. And no one else we see in this entire film speaks droid apart from her. Surely then that's a bit of a major skill to have in the employment stakes?
Worse there a perfectly good town with a variety of jobs nearby- I bet even the waitresses get paid more than half a days food portions. And she speaks fucking droid!!!
At first I thought she was a slave of some sort forced into this work- and the scene where she is preparing her salvage to sell under watchful eyes reinforces the notion- but then she just wanders off without a care- I am supposed to believe she chooses to live like this? She speaks fucking droid!!
Sorry, but there is no match up between circumstances and character. She says as the excuse she is waiting on her family- but that doesnt explain why she doent wait in the town with a decent job and somewhere to live- when she so clearly has the skills too. Nor do we have any investment in her waiting because she only tells us she is, we never see her pine for them she never talks about them, she doesn't stare mournfuly at the horizn over them to emotional orchestral John Williams scores- nothing. Its just an excuse in the plot to explain stuff that doesnt make any sense about her, or worse a badly planted plot contrivance for a later film.
Luke was a farmer- his circumstances made sense. Nor was he already a competent fighter or used to braving things on his own. He was basically ordinary in terms of how he lived, mundane even and that was the point. They are trying to replicate that here with a different character and setting. But for the setting she is presented as being from she simply doesn't fit it and she is too extraordinary already.
And then there is her piloting skills- with Luke its a stretch but they at least furnish us with an explanation- he piloted for fun through the canyons of his home world as a relief from the monotony of his farming life.
She has a hover bike thing- and those type of vehicles in SW seem to be the equivalent to a car. So how come she can jump into the Falcon and pilot it like she's been flying stuff like that all her life?
The scene in which she meets B-B ball droid is particular poor.
We get a very cut-down version of the jawas and sand crawler- cut down to one jawa like character on an alien horse stealing the droid. And it just sort of happens, out of nowhere, she just hears a scuffle and there we have- two central characters meet.
She rescues the droid, speaks some droid to it, tells it where the nearest town is, some local hazards to avoid and turns to go on her way and the droid follows her, and she lets it. And that's how they hook up. Well that's memorable. At least with Luke there was a purpose to his need of droids. This just happens to get the droid with the hero.
Why does the droid choose to follow her? Why does she take a droid along if she has no plans to sell or profit by it- what use is it to her? And why are we presented with a SW style shot of them walking off together across the sand before a sunset like they are best buddies when they only just poorly met?
Back on the Death Star- sorry planet killer whatever, Princess Leia, sorry the not the hero bloke captured at start but playing the exact same role as Leia- source of the info stashed in the droid and person who will name the planet to go booom first- is being tortured by not Vader for the location of the Rebel Base.
Again however in comparison with the original it doesnt have much impact- its not his home world under threat, and we barely know anything about the guy- he is just some rebel dude they caught. And unlike Leia he is not going to be a part of the focus of the story- after this they will just forget about him until the end, so the script knows its not worth investing time in him so it doesn't- he performs the role and function but without any attachment to him, he moves the plot along but its not a disguised plot moving, you can see the parts underneath as you watch, moving the script mechanically along.
This occurs all the way through the film. They are more interested in how to we get from this point in the story to that point that they forget it should always at least seem like what is happening is organic, and a product of the character actions. But it doesn't feel like that watching it, because you can see the mechanics too clearly of the script.
You cannot be lulled or fooled into not noticing the underlying mechanics by being caught up in the characters and their predictaments because the predicments are rehashes of another film where it was all done better, and the characters mere plot points which service moving the story along as their primary function.
Rey is a good exmaple- there is no internal reason why she is a good pilot- but there is a plot one, so she can co-pilot the Falcon with Han Solo and make for an 'iconic scene' with the two of them, passing the torch. But it doesn't work because its so obvioulsy contrived to be that way- her mystyerious ability to fly ships, Chewie getting shot moments before and so not being able to co-pilot.
And the Chewie thing is another good exmaple- this is Chewbacca, being shot and wounded- it should be a big deal, but as its purpose is only to get him out the way so she can pilot the script doesnt know how to pitch it- it starts to go for the 'oh no Chewie has been shot' angle but then almost immdiately dumps that and moves on to 'who will pilot now?' which is the contrived point of the whole thing.
So in comparison between Luke and Rey and how we meet them as the leads– Luke had a background and purpose which made sense and a reason to come into contact with Droids, and his skill set matched what we were told about him and his life and what we saw. He was easy top relate to with small day to day troubles, like wanting to go to the Academy or spend more time in town with his mates.
With Rey her lifestyle doesn't make sense, her skill set is far greater than her circumstances, and her reasons for coming into contact with droids is non-existent and has to be contrived, and her skills don't make sense given her situation- why can she speak droid? Where did she learn to fly spaceships? And we don't empathise with her because unlike Luke we don't know what her hopes and dreams are and there is no situation she is struggling against beyond her own self inflicted one of doing a shit job.
And why does she refuse to sell the droid when she has the chance- they only just met she has no emotional attachment to it we have seen? What good is it to her? Thats a lot fo food she is offered for it. And its a droid- its quite clear in the SW universe they are viewed as devices not people, so whay doesn't she sell?
Luke had good reason to go looking for his droids, not just plot ones but personal ones- her reasons are what exactly?- to show she is a nice person?
Oh dear this is giving me a crabbit headache and Im only about 20 minutes into the film.
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Re: Star Wars [2]
by Mrs Figg Sat Jan 02, 2016 5:50 pm
I watched it. I quite liked it. It was wasn't brilliant, it wasn't bad. It was comfort food. I was entertained. loved the little round droid. 
it reminds me of one of my kitties.
it reminds me of one of my kitties.
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Re: Star Wars [2]
by halfwise Sat Jan 02, 2016 6:01 pm
If you think of it as comfort food it was ok. But even when Star Wars was being stupid (ewoks, Jar-Jar and love scenes) it still mostly felt innovative. I missed the feeling of something new.
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Re: Star Wars [2]
by halfwise Sat Jan 02, 2016 6:05 pm
I think Rey got away with implausible skills because it was unexpected - it was kinda cute to have a young girl bitch slap a storm trooper around and jury rig the Falcon. If it had been your typical twenty-something male hero with the same background I don't think the audience would have bought it.
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Re: Star Wars [2]
by Pettytyrant101 Sat Jan 02, 2016 6:14 pm
I didn't buy it with a female. There is no explanation of her skills or why she has them. Or if having those skills we she scavenges for a living when she could easily make more money simpler a few miles away using the obvious skills she has.
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Re: Star Wars [2]
by halfwise Sat Jan 02, 2016 6:19 pm
I'm not saying it makes any more logical sense, just that it pulled the emotional strings enough to cut off the logic circuits. She did a great job with the part: providing the audience a combination of admiring her toughness while still rooting for the lost waif.
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Re: Star Wars [2]
by bungobaggins Sat Jan 02, 2016 6:20 pm
Speculation is that Rey was being force trained by Luke when she was a child and this is the force "awakening" inside her. Though I don't think she should have been that successful in her force endeavors, and I would have like to have seen the Falcon get a little more beat up when she was flying it. Either that or make her a great pilot like Luke and Anakin, don't have her say "I don't know!" when Finn asks her where she learned to fly like that.
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Re: Star Wars [2]
by Pettytyrant101 Sat Jan 02, 2016 6:31 pm
just that it pulled the emotional strings enough to cut off the logic circuits- Halfy
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by Mrs Figg Sat Jan 02, 2016 6:39 pm
I think the Force was awakened when she came into contact with the mystical mythical object, the light sabre of luke. Its like she went into the temple-like structure overseen by the All Seeing priestess, came into contact with the object and was awoken.
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by bungobaggins Sat Jan 02, 2016 6:42 pm
Yeah she had visions from Luke v. Vader at Bespin to Kylo Ren killing off Luke's students. Rey and Luke are clearly connected/related in some way.
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by Eldorion Sat Jan 02, 2016 6:51 pm
Interesting points Petty. A couple of thoughts.
- The mission to kill Max von Sydow was Finn's first combat mission as a Stormtrooper. Previously he'd just been a cadet/trainee/what have you. That's why he was so shaken by it.
- I thought BB-8 was plenty charming and memorable just being able to play off the human characters. Him racing towards Poe (the X-wing pilot) when they get back to the Rebel base was as touching a moment as any droid-related scene in SW has ever been.
- I won't try to respond to any of your points about Rey by referring to ancillary material not found in the film itself, but the film does make it clear that she was left with the junk dealer dude when she was abandoned on Jakku so I imagine that's how she got into the scavenging business. I'm reluctant to draw too many conclusions about her though since she's meant to be a cypher so far; but I will be disappointed if Episode VIII doesn't answer some of these questions.
- The mission to kill Max von Sydow was Finn's first combat mission as a Stormtrooper. Previously he'd just been a cadet/trainee/what have you. That's why he was so shaken by it.
- I thought BB-8 was plenty charming and memorable just being able to play off the human characters. Him racing towards Poe (the X-wing pilot) when they get back to the Rebel base was as touching a moment as any droid-related scene in SW has ever been.
- I won't try to respond to any of your points about Rey by referring to ancillary material not found in the film itself, but the film does make it clear that she was left with the junk dealer dude when she was abandoned on Jakku so I imagine that's how she got into the scavenging business. I'm reluctant to draw too many conclusions about her though since she's meant to be a cypher so far; but I will be disappointed if Episode VIII doesn't answer some of these questions.
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by bungobaggins Sat Jan 02, 2016 6:56 pm
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- I thought BB-8 was plenty charming and memorable just being able to play off the human characters. Him racing towards Poe (the X-wing pilot) when they get back to the Rebel base was as touching a moment as any droid-related scene in SW has ever been.
"Hey, buddy!" I thought I was gonna die right then. BB-8 is like a cute little dog.
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by Pettytyrant101 Sat Jan 02, 2016 7:11 pm
The mission to kill Max von Sydow was Finn's first combat mission as a Stormtrooper.- Edlo
What did he think he had joined up to? Traffic control? Wasnt he a bit curious why he was being trained to shoot stuff and being given full armour and weaponry? Seriously, he didnt realise what Stormtroopers did till then?
'was as touching a moment as any droid-related scene in SW has ever been.'
As I said, cute is its defining trait. Thats what you get, its loveable in the way a puppy is but compare it to the personalities we have of R2 and C3PO by the same point in the original film.
'the film does make it clear that she was left with the junk dealer dude when she was abandoned on Jakku so I imagine that's how she got into the scavenging business.'
Doesn't explain why with her skills she would stay and work all day for half a days rations.
What did he think he had joined up to? Traffic control? Wasnt he a bit curious why he was being trained to shoot stuff and being given full armour and weaponry? Seriously, he didnt realise what Stormtroopers did till then?
'was as touching a moment as any droid-related scene in SW has ever been.'
As I said, cute is its defining trait. Thats what you get, its loveable in the way a puppy is but compare it to the personalities we have of R2 and C3PO by the same point in the original film.
'the film does make it clear that she was left with the junk dealer dude when she was abandoned on Jakku so I imagine that's how she got into the scavenging business.'
Doesn't explain why with her skills she would stay and work all day for half a days rations.
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by halfwise Sat Jan 02, 2016 7:22 pm
All soldiers are taught to shoot and kill, but they expect to be sent to fight for something they can believe in. However, there is some backstory about Stormtroopers being raised almost from birth for the job which doesn't fit in, and I don't quite remember the details as given.
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by Pettytyrant101 Sat Jan 02, 2016 7:28 pm
they expect to be sent to fight for something they can believe in. - Halfy
They are called Stormtroopers- he knows they are building a secret planet killing weapon because he worked there. His boss is a psychotic woman in full body armour inclusion facemask, even indoors,and his overall boss dresses head to foot in black and speaks in a sinister voice saying sinister things. He would have to be a fucking idiot not to have some inclining- thats why it made so laugh so much- its so much like that Webb sketch.
she didn't know she had skills at that point.- Figg
She has demonstrably skills earlier on- she can speak droid, she can fight, she is resourceful, takes care of herself, she is intelligent. Yet she works for half a days rations when there is a perfectly good town nearby where her skills would get her far better employment.
They are called Stormtroopers- he knows they are building a secret planet killing weapon because he worked there. His boss is a psychotic woman in full body armour inclusion facemask, even indoors,and his overall boss dresses head to foot in black and speaks in a sinister voice saying sinister things. He would have to be a fucking idiot not to have some inclining- thats why it made so laugh so much- its so much like that Webb sketch.
she didn't know she had skills at that point.- Figg
She has demonstrably skills earlier on- she can speak droid, she can fight, she is resourceful, takes care of herself, she is intelligent. Yet she works for half a days rations when there is a perfectly good town nearby where her skills would get her far better employment.
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by bungobaggins Sat Jan 02, 2016 7:35 pm
Pettytyrant101 wrote:
She has demonstrably skills earlier on- she can speak droid, she can fight, she is resourceful, takes care of herself, she is intelligent. Yet she works for half a days rations when there is a perfectly good town nearby where her skills would get her far better employment.
You mean that outpost that was over ten times smaller than Mos Eisley?
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by Pettytyrant101 Sat Jan 02, 2016 7:39 pm
Might have been smaller but still had obvious work- waitress, mechanics- plenty Chiles- anything is better than working for half a days rations, and given she is supposed to be waiting she spends most of her time out on her own out of touch scavenging.
And she speaks droid- one of the only humans we ever seen in the SW universe who appears ot speak fluent droid- and she cant get a job in a galaxy full of droids?
And she speaks droid- one of the only humans we ever seen in the SW universe who appears ot speak fluent droid- and she cant get a job in a galaxy full of droids?
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