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Re: Ralph Bakshi version
by azriel Thu Dec 05, 2013 7:54 pm
There are some things you are cut out for & some things you are not. Tolkien I think knew where to draw the line with Bilbo. I dont believe he wanted to grow into a "super hero", I believe he wanted Bilbo to stay grounded, be normal but just have that bit of added spark that all of us have when we need it. Bilbo needs to stay on & tell or warn others of what he's seen & done. Tolkien planned for him to have a long life because,obviously,he had now found The Ring. Bilbo is the grounding factor, he keeps our feet on the ground & our senses contained.
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Re: Ralph Bakshi version
by Radaghast Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:06 pm
Yeah. I think Tolkien would have looked at Bilbo killing the warg and orc and been like, "
Dude, WTF? "
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Re: Ralph Bakshi version
by Bluebottle Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:31 pm
That has been my point all along. Tolkien spent a lot of time giving his world and stories an inner logic. Which Walsh and Boyens seem completely blind to.
How could they keep making these story decisions that do nothing but screw with the inner logic of the story if they were aware?
Sadly it ends up saying a whole lot about the quality of Oscar winning screen writers.
How could they keep making these story decisions that do nothing but screw with the inner logic of the story if they were aware?
Sadly it ends up saying a whole lot about the quality of Oscar winning screen writers.
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Re: Ralph Bakshi version
by azriel Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:03 am
First word that springs to mind Blue is "Braindead", PJs film with Fran Walsh, casting by Fran Walsh, a role in the film by fran bloody Walsh, a bit part starring good old PJ, Visual effects by PJ, etc etc. But "braindead" seems apt to me.
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Re: Ralph Bakshi version
by Pettytyrant101 Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:46 am
Having read the latest on the contents of DOS I bet ole Bakshi ain't looking so bad to some of you after all! 
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Re: Ralph Bakshi version
by Eldorion Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:58 am
A better comparison would be Rankin/Bass, since they made The Hobbit and actually managed to turn in a finished film. 
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Re: Ralph Bakshi version
by Radaghast Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:00 am
They also did RotK, which also sucked.
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Re: Ralph Bakshi version
by bungobaggins Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:12 am
No matter how shitty DOS turns out, it will never improve the awful animation and rotoscoping in Bakshi's LOTR.
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Re: Ralph Bakshi version
by Radaghast Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:18 am
I'd say the Bakshi's films faults are missteps. But Jackson does this shit on purpose.
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Re: Ralph Bakshi version
by Pettytyrant101 Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:21 am
Yeah thats the difference for me too Raddy and why I give Bakshi more leeway than PJ- Bakshi's effort seems to me a well intentioned try that doesnt work properly.
PJ's versions strike me as completely deliberate and to do exactly what PJ intended them to do.
PJ's versions strike me as completely deliberate and to do exactly what PJ intended them to do.
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Re: Ralph Bakshi version
by Eldorion Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:25 am
I'm not a fan of either R/B movie, trust me.Radaghast wrote:They also did RotK, which also sucked.
But I do think they're better than Bakshi's.
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Re: Ralph Bakshi version
by Eldorion Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:26 am
Honestly, to me, most of Bakshi's creative decisions can only be explained by cocaine.Pettytyrant101 wrote:Yeah thats the difference for me too Raddy and why I give Bakshi more leeway than PJ- Bakshi's effort seems to me a well intentioned try that doesnt work properly.
PJ's versions strike me as completely deliberate and to do exactly what PJ intended them to do.
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Re: Ralph Bakshi version
by Radaghast Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:31 am
Yeah, that too 
But as for R/B, fucking Shaggy as the voice of Merry?! "Like, yoiks, Scoob! It's the Black Riders!"
But as for R/B, fucking Shaggy as the voice of Merry?! "Like, yoiks, Scoob! It's the Black Riders!"
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Re: Ralph Bakshi version
by RA Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:33 am
Dull, weird and brown vs weird, loud and video game.
Take your pick.
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Re: Ralph Bakshi version
by bungobaggins Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:47 am
Recoveryanonymous wrote:Dull, weird and brown vs weird, loud and video game.
Take your pick.
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Re: Ralph Bakshi version
by Radaghast Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:50 am
That's the Red Letter Guy, right? The one who does those Star Wars PT critiques? Those are hilarious.
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Re: Ralph Bakshi version
by bungobaggins Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:52 am
Mike Stoklasa! That hack fraud! 
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Re: Ralph Bakshi version
by RA Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:57 am
Radaghast wrote:That's the Red Letter Guy, right? The one who does those Star Wars PT critiques? Those are hilarious.
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Re: Ralph Bakshi version
by RA Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:00 am
No one cares about Half in the Bag!bungobaggins wrote:When's the next Plinkett review?
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Re: Ralph Bakshi version
by Eldorion Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:07 am
He teased that it might be LOTR in one of his intermediary videos with sunglasses Palpatine a while back.bungobaggins wrote:When's the next Plinkett review?
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Re: Ralph Bakshi version
by Eldorion Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:08 am
Honestly, the songs in Rankin/Bass make it a no contest for me.Recoveryanonymous wrote:Dull, weird and brown vs weird, loud and video game.
Take your pick.
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Re: Ralph Bakshi version
by bungobaggins Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:10 am
I want to see a Plinkett review of The Hobbit movies, but he and Jay seemed to enjoy AUJ slightly. They're not as close to the books as we are, so they don't seem to care about all the stupid changes.
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